Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 >From: Sammie Baker <jigscam@...> >Well, as someone pointed out, the connection might be low adrenals which I >also have. No way could I take my entire dose in the am without feeling >totally HyperT and then crash later. By feeling hyperthyroid, do you mean escalated pulse rate or something else? Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us & source=wlmai\ ltagline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 This is interesting. I have low cortisol throughout the day, but high at night. SAMMIEgroupiestuff <groupiestuff@...> wrote: That could be. I have high cortisol and went totally off Armour and Iodoral since the cortisol was overstimulating me and my heart was pounding making me feel hyper when I was hypo. But I couldn't even take 7.5mg of Armour or 1 tablet of Ioddoral without my heart pounding and couldn't until my cortisol became more normalized. Maybe for those of you struggling to take 50mg of iodine your adrenals may be the problem.jingles>> Since stressed, low adrenals can make you hyper (wired and tired), > perhaps people who need to split their thyroid dose are not really > reacting to being HyperT (from the med hormones but) to being HypoA > (from the stressed adrenals)? > Sharon> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 >From: Sammie Baker <jigscam@...> >Yes, high pulse, fast heart rate etc. I think it's too much T3 at once. >Mind you, this was all before I started HC. I've been on Armour (actually >Thyroid-S) for well over a year and just started HC a few weeks ago. My >Grave's diagnosis showcased a subclinical HypoT problem, then a low >progesterone problem, then I realized I have low cortisol and now I'm >learning about the importance of iodine, which is not incorporated into my >diet much at all. Maybe, but pulse rate is a little complicated, as it doesn't always increase when one increases thyroid dosage. It's also possible you'll find on HC, that you can take the thyroid all in one dose. The HC should always be taken in divided doses, that's a lot different. Skipper Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us & source=wlmai\ ltagline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 >From: " sharflin " <sharflin@...> >According to my doctor, reflex speed is a good way to tell if you are >hyperthyoid, so that is something to look at when trying to figure out >if hyperness is due to hyperthyroid or hypoadrenal. When hyperthyroid >your reflexes will be very fast, but not when hypoadrenal. Of course >this is a bit subjective unless you've seen it but you can always >check your reflex speed against someone else who is healthy for >comparison. I've heard it used for hypothyroidism, never for hyper. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Search from any web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 all this means is that you really need cortef 5mg 4X a day. It takes your adrenals ALL DAY to produce some cortisol and then they overshoot the mark, so can't regulate themselves. Tests seem to really confuse the issue. Low adrenals cause "hyper" symptoms, b/c homrone is not getting into cells. Gracia This is interesting. I have low cortisol throughout the day, but high at night. SAMMIEgroupiestuff <groupiestuff > wrote: That could be. I have high cortisol and went totally off Armour and Iodoral since the cortisol was overstimulating me and my heart was pounding making me feel hyper when I was hypo. But I couldn't even take 7.5mg of Armour or 1 tablet of Ioddoral without my heart pounding and couldn't until my cortisol became more normalized. Maybe for those of you struggling to take 50mg of iodine your adrenals may be the problem.jingles>> Since stressed, low adrenals can make you hyper (wired and tired), > perhaps people who need to split their thyroid dose are not really > reacting to being HyperT (from the med hormones but) to being HypoA > (from the stressed adrenals)? > Sharon> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 I would agree but these are LOW adrenal symptoms, not high. Gracia That could be. I have high cortisol and went totally off Armour and Iodoral since the cortisol was overstimulating me and my heart was pounding making me feel hyper when I was hypo. But I couldn't even take 7.5mg of Armour or 1 tablet of Ioddoral without my heart pounding and couldn't until my cortisol became more normalized. Maybe for those of you struggling to take 50mg of iodine your adrenals may be the problem.jingles>> Since stressed, low adrenals can make you hyper (wired and tired), > perhaps people who need to split their thyroid dose are not really > reacting to being HyperT (from the med hormones but) to being HypoA > (from the stressed adrenals)? > Sharon> No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Gracia, I am taking 10 mg, then 5mg, then 2.5, then 2.5, due in part because it's so hard for me to get up in the am. And with my high cortisol at night, I thought it best to have lower dose at night. Last night was my first 4th dose at 7pm. I had just been doing 10mg/5mgs/5mgs. And I had a hard time falling asleep, even after 1am. Mornings are still hard for me, but I feel so-so today, not as draggish as I can be. Do you think having the same dose 4 times a day is still better than what I'm doing above? Or do you think that I'll have to switch to this once I start supplementing with iodine? SAMMIEGracia <circe@...> wrote: all this means is that you really need cortef 5mg 4X a day. It takes your adrenals ALL DAY to produce some cortisol and then they overshoot the mark, so can't regulate themselves. Tests seem to really confuse the issue. Low adrenals cause "hyper" symptoms, b/c homrone is not getting into cells. Gracia This is interesting. I have low cortisol throughout the day, but high at night. SAMMIEgroupiestuff <groupiestuff > wrote: That could be. I have high cortisol and went totally off Armour and Iodoral since the cortisol was overstimulating me and my heart was pounding making me feel hyper when I was hypo. But I couldn't even take 7.5mg of Armour or 1 tablet of Ioddoral without my heart pounding and couldn't until my cortisol became more normalized. Maybe for those of you struggling to take 50mg of iodine your adrenals may be the problem.jingles>> Since stressed, low adrenals can make you hyper (wired and tired), > perhaps people who need to split their thyroid dose are not really > reacting to being HyperT (from the med hormones but) to being HypoA > (from the stressed adrenals)? > Sharon> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 I personally do not like the dosing youa re doing! I tried it and thought it was awful! Once you get right cortef dosing and enough Armour, you will pop up in the morning with the sun. Take 5mg 4X a day IMHO cortef will help you sleep so you can take it at bedtime if you want. you will be amazed at the results. Get someDHEA too. gracia Gracia, I am taking 10 mg, then 5mg, then 2.5, then 2.5, due in part because it's so hard for me to get up in the am. And with my high cortisol at night, I thought it best to have lower dose at night. Last night was my first 4th dose at 7pm. I had just been doing 10mg/5mgs/5mgs. And I had a hard time falling asleep, even after 1am. Mornings are still hard for me, but I feel so-so today, not as draggish as I can be. Do you think having the same dose 4 times a day is still better than what I'm doing above? Or do you think that I'll have to switch to this once I start supplementing with iodine? SAMMIE .. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 I have a question about splitting doses. If you take all your AT at once in the AM and feel great...but then lag at 3 PM...doesn't your body require that same amount @ 3 PM? I'm not phrasing this very well, but it seems to me that one would double one's dose, if indeed the half life of AT is 6-8 hours. Not sure this is making any sense. But I know I feel great when I take it all in the AM and do slow down a bit the PM. So maybe just a booster? Any thoughts or am I over thinking this. BarbF **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with Tyler Florence " on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4? & NCID=aolfod00030000000002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Thanks, Chuck. I think I get it...I actually prefer to take it all in the AM, even though I know the thyroid doesn't make all the hormones at once. Will I still get the same benefit if I don't split doses? Thanks. BarbF In a message dated 6/7/2008 12:28:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gumboyaya@... writes: Remember that these two components are both " maintenance " doses. You are adding a bit at regular intervals to maintain an established level in your blood. A two-way split is simply a compromise **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with Tyler Florence " on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4? & NCID=aolfod00030000000002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Barb, You wrote: > ... If you take all your AT at once in > the AM and feel great...but then lag at 3 PM...doesn't your body require > that same amount @ 3 PM? ... if indeed the half life of AT is 6-8 > hours.... Armour has two active components with two very different half lives. The T4 has a half life of a week, so it does not matter when you take it, as long as you get a complete dose every day. T3 has a half life of about a day, not 6-8 hours. However, this means that the T3 component drops by about 10% every 8 hours, counting the T4 to T3 conversion that replaces it. This is enough that you will feel the change in the afternoon before you take the second dose. You won't notice at night, because you will be sleeping. Remember that these two components are both " maintenance " doses. You are adding a bit at regular intervals to maintain an established level in your blood. A two-way split is simply a compromise between convenience and how big a fluctuation you can tolerate. An even better solution might be timed release T3, which is available, but not everyone is that sensitive to the fluctuations. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Barb, You wrote: > > Thanks, Chuck. I think I get it...I actually prefer to take it all in the > AM, even though I know the thyroid doesn't make all the hormones at once. > Will I still get the same benefit if I don't split doses? Try it and see. I suspect most people on Armour feel better with a two-way split. It depends in part on how effectively you convert the T4 to T3. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Will do. Thanks. BarbF In a message dated 6/7/2008 12:46:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gumboyaya@... writes: Try it and see **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with Tyler Florence " on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4? & NCID=aolfod00030000000002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 I felt like death when i split the dose! Gracia Barb, You wrote: > > Thanks, Chuck. I think I get it...I actually prefer to take it all in the > AM, even though I know the thyroid doesn't make all the hormones at once. > Will I still get the same benefit if I don't split doses? Try it and see. I suspect most people on Armour feel better with a two-way split. It depends in part on how effectively you convert the T4 to T3. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Gracia wrote: > > I felt like death when i split the dose! I thought you also took it with food, though. That makes the dosing somewhat unpredictably inaccurate. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 not really food. I drink coffee maybe 15 minutes after I chew it up. today I didn't drink coffee for an hour or so, b/c I went to the dairy to get milk/cream (unpasteurized and straight from the cow). I didn't see any difference from my usual way. wow I cannot believe the price of food these days. Gracia Gracia wrote: > > I felt like death when i split the dose! I thought you also took it with food, though. That makes the dosing somewhat unpredictably inaccurate. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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