Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Neil- I must say, dealing with all the things a hypoT person does (terrible symptoms, terrible doctors, people not understanding that you have a condition, etc. etc.) sometimes I don't mind the thought of a little prozac at the end of the day [ggg] ;-) Bad joke, but seriously things have to change. We should all designate a hypoT island. Someplace warm that has amazing docs who specialize in hypoT. Oh-oh, also pharmacies who are fully equiped with every hypoT drug in every different dosage, and don't look at you like you are insane when you are taking 7 grains. We can all go there on vacation, forget about all the people who don't understand, all the bad docs, and just relax with other amazing hypoT people ... not a bad idea if I say so myself :-) Peace, Dusty, The problem is ---->getting the proper treatment<----<W Millions and millions of people are told they are " fine " , and if they bitch they are put on Prozac. I know many people personally this has happened to, including both my wife and I. I have also seen it in dozens of posters and books I have read. I think MOST patients do not get your " standard treatment " , indeed the standard treatment is to ignore obvious physical symptoms in favor of TSH only and prescribe Prozac. In the people that take Levoxyl, patients are typically under medicated (again the all mighty TSH), overweight, and feel like crap. Obese patients totter to the pharmacy for the monthly bottle of Levoxyl, the smallest dose possible to bring their TSH JUST into the low normal range. When I went to a proper doctor ($475 out of pocket and a lengthy visit of two plus hours) he showed me my physical symptoms (many) and proved I had been hypothyroid for many many years. Your medical " specialists " blow. The TSH test is the worst thing medicine ever invented. Doctors flushed their brains down the toilet in favor of staring at a lab sheet. The patient is invisible and does not matter...only the labs matter. How sad, but Prozac sales are up! Neil **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so. Peace, Yes, but please note the smiley face at the end. Sam :-D --- In _hypothyroidism@hypothyroidihyp_ (mailto:hypothyroidism ) , bear339@, be > > > Ouch, Sam. Was that really necessary? > > Eh, scratch the question mark, I don't wanna hear it. > > Peace, > > > > > > Really for truely, Chuck, the TSH test is still stupid, no matter what you > say... > > And I really wish you'd get your head out from whatever oriface it is stuck > in > and open your eyes about inorganic iodine and iodine deficiency. I say that > because > what you, and other uninformed people have been saying makes all of you sound > like ignorant school children who " think " you know everything. > > Sam **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I've never had a saliva test that was off the mark, so I do trust their results. BTW, I don't dose by test results, I dose according to symptoms. That's how I went from almost hypO dead into a hot awesome babe with teenage energy. Sam > > look my Md has done RESEARCH and she has found that the salvia test is not accurate because of the proteins that are found in salvia- they can bound the cortisol and skew the test results. she trusts the 24 hour urine collection test that is then sent to a special lab and it takes 3 weeks. > Re: TSH test and iodine > > > I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very > fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim test. > Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my > adrenals, if that tells you anything. > You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to see > what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to dose. > > " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to measure > free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of blood, > and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into > saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva is > extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part represent the > free fraction of the hormone. " > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 the best docs I have been to have not been that way. they didn't treat me as a bunch of parts and diseases. In fact I never heard the " disease " word from them. compare that to the printouts from my mother's doc--yikes. Gracia gracia- in the naturopathic world there are lots of diseases and we treat them, too as well as in the Chinese Medicine world and the Native American medicine world and the East Indian medicine world. Recent Activity a.. 16New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. Healthy Eating on A place for parents to share their ideas. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 sometimes screws stuff up...I once saw a post many months old show up on a group, and surprise surprise, they were still discussing the same subject. As far as who we go to if regular doctors and typical endos can't read test results right, we go to alternative medicine docs, or like me we self treat. I now have a wonderful naturopath, but before I found him I was literally forced to self treat, or die. Sam (thyroidless since 1990) > > If regular doctors and typical endo's can's read the test results right, then > what type of doctor do you go to. I also wanted to know why it takes so long > for a post to show up? I sent a post saturday afternoon and it is still not > there. it is now sunday at 4:55, lets just see how long it takes for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hi Neil, How much vitamin D would one take per day if they were deficient? Thank you!! neil <neilneil@...> wrote: Exactly Sam...the MDR for iodine is just so people don't get a huge goiter...and not a molecule more. Same with Vitamin D, just enough not to get rickets and be able to walk...nothing more. Forget OPTIMAL levels, forget optimal health, just the minimum. Just enough Levoxyl to come into the bottom end of normal and not a microgram more. Still have a weight problem? Get some self control! Still feel horrible? Have some anti-depressants, its all in your mind! Cholesterol through the roof? Here's a stiff dose of Crestor that will make your bones ache! Neil _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:41 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine > The TSH test changed about a decade ago, > making it much more sensitive. A decade ago that " sensitive " TSH test kept me severely hypO. > And, no, I don't believe that most Americans > are deficient in iodine. That's too bad. Perhaps you would chance your mind after speaking with Drs Flechas and Brownstein. > The last CDC study (1995) showed that only about 12% > in the U.S. were below the recommended dietary levels, > at risk rather than deficient. Recommended dietary level of 150 MICROgrams. EEK! I know you know darned well that the human body is supposed to contain much more than that per day. > The World Health Organization standard for defining > a deficient population is 20% below the dietary > recommendation. That recomendation of 150 MICROgrams again. That is such a pathetic amount of iodine per day. No wonder the US is experiencing an " obesity " epidemic, increased cancers, and other issues directly related to iodine deficiency. What the heck, apparently the planet needs " some " sort of way to reduce the population on it... Sam :-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Actually a person really needs blood testing to be sure. The proper test is the 25-hydrox-D test. If you cannot do testing, taking 2,000iu of an oil based D3 gel cap will not harm you. But I found out that I needed far more, it takes 6,000iu daily for my blood level to get to 50ng. It takes 4,000iu daily for my wife to reach the same level. Dr. (has a blog) tests every one of his patients, some take as little as 2,000iu, some take in the 12-14,000iu daily to reach optimal levels! http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/vitamin%20D Vitamin D is a fat soluble prohormone, too little is bad and too much is bad. But when you get it right all sorts of good things happen...up to 70% reduction of cancers, less coronary artery disease, far fewer colds and flu, etc. If you have the time this video is fantastic... http://wildhorse.insinc.com/directms13oct2005/ Neil ________________________________ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of and Irwin Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:38 AM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Re: TSH test and iodine Hi Neil, How much vitamin D would one take per day if they were deficient? Thank you!! neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40roadrunner.com> > wrote: Exactly Sam...the MDR for iodine is just so people don't get a huge goiter...and not a molecule more. Same with Vitamin D, just enough not to get rickets and be able to walk...nothing more. Forget OPTIMAL levels, forget optimal health, just the minimum. Just enough Levoxyl to come into the bottom end of normal and not a microgram more. Still have a weight problem? Get some self control! Still feel horrible? Have some anti-depressants, its all in your mind! Cholesterol through the roof? Here's a stiff dose of Crestor that will make your bones ache! Neil _____ From: hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> [mailto:hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:41 PM hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine > The TSH test changed about a decade ago, > making it much more sensitive. A decade ago that " sensitive " TSH test kept me severely hypO. > And, no, I don't believe that most Americans > are deficient in iodine. That's too bad. Perhaps you would chance your mind after speaking with Drs Flechas and Brownstein. > The last CDC study (1995) showed that only about 12% > in the U.S. were below the recommended dietary levels, > at risk rather than deficient. Recommended dietary level of 150 MICROgrams. EEK! I know you know darned well that the human body is supposed to contain much more than that per day. > The World Health Organization standard for defining > a deficient population is 20% below the dietary > recommendation. That recomendation of 150 MICROgrams again. That is such a pathetic amount of iodine per day. No wonder the US is experiencing an " obesity " epidemic, increased cancers, and other issues directly related to iodine deficiency. What the heck, apparently the planet needs " some " sort of way to reduce the population on it... Sam :-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Thanks, Gracia. Just ordered the book. --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > hi > I think a very good explanation of H-P-A axis can > be found in Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe > MD. He's a great guy, my friend goes to him, he's a > Broda doc. > http://www.brodabarnes.org > Gracia > > > Chuck, > > When this does happen, what is the usual solution? > What do people take? > > Thanks, > > > --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > > > neil wrote: > > > > > > > > > I would have to agree. In relying on the TSH > test, > > you are making a rather > > > grand assumption that the > > hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis)is > > > working properly. Very very often this is not > the > > case at all. > > > > Not true. This happens about 5% of the time. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 > - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yes, but please note the smiley face at the end. Sam :-D > > > Ouch, Sam. Was that really necessary? > > Eh, scratch the question mark, I don't wanna hear it. > > Peace, > > > > > > Really for truely, Chuck, the TSH test is still stupid, no matter what you > say... > > And I really wish you'd get your head out from whatever oriface it is stuck > in > and open your eyes about inorganic iodine and iodine deficiency. I say that > because > what you, and other uninformed people have been saying makes all of you sound > like ignorant school children who " think " you know everything. > > Sam > > > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I'm all for it. Sounds like something I posted a while back. Roni bear339@... wrote: Neil- I must say, dealing with all the things a hypoT person does (terrible symptoms, terrible doctors, people not understanding that you have a condition, etc. etc.) sometimes I don't mind the thought of a little prozac at the end of the day [ggg] ;-) Bad joke, but seriously things have to change. We should all designate a hypoT island. Someplace warm that has amazing docs who specialize in hypoT. Oh-oh, also pharmacies who are fully equiped with every hypoT drug in every different dosage, and don't look at you like you are insane when you are taking 7 grains. We can all go there on vacation, forget about all the people who don't understand, all the bad docs, and just relax with other amazing hypoT people ... not a bad idea if I say so myself :-) Peace, Dusty, The problem is ---->getting the proper treatment<----<W Millions and millions of people are told they are " fine " , and if they bitch they are put on Prozac. I know many people personally this has happened to, including both my wife and I. I have also seen it in dozens of posters and books I have read. I think MOST patients do not get your " standard treatment " , indeed the standard treatment is to ignore obvious physical symptoms in favor of TSH only and prescribe Prozac. In the people that take Levoxyl, patients are typically under medicated (again the all mighty TSH), overweight, and feel like crap. Obese patients totter to the pharmacy for the monthly bottle of Levoxyl, the smallest dose possible to bring their TSH JUST into the low normal range. When I went to a proper doctor ($475 out of pocket and a lengthy visit of two plus hours) he showed me my physical symptoms (many) and proved I had been hypothyroid for many many years. Your medical " specialists " blow. The TSH test is the worst thing medicine ever invented. Doctors flushed their brains down the toilet in favor of staring at a lab sheet. The patient is invisible and does not matter...only the labs matter. How sad, but Prozac sales are up! Neil **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 neil, You wrote: > > I must be just one in a million, right? Yes, considering there are over 13 million people taking T4 in the U.S. alone, I'd say that gives them a fairly good statistical basis to determine the frequency of false negatives on the TSH test. That doesn't mean they knew what to do about the 5%, but they can accurately assess the extent of the question. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Sam, As I have told you many times before, I would consider doing all of those things if you will give me just ONE credible peer reviewed paper supporting the propaganda. Chuck > > > Chuck, go here http://www.iodine4health.com/ > <http://www.iodine4health.com/> and read. > Mmm, how about go to the next iodine conference. > You could also read the stuff on Steph's site: > http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html > <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html> > and better yet, contact her. She'll give you quite the earful... > And why don't you join the iodine group and expose yourself > to all that information? iodine > <iodine> > > Sam > > > > > ... I say that because > > > what you, and other uninformed people have been saying makes all of > you > > > sound like ignorant school children who " think " you know everything. > > > > And I am still waiting for an example of an " informed " person that > > agrees with any of your claims that isn't directly attached to > Optimox. > > I am also still waiting for any type of peer reviewed literature that > > agrees. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I am not saying we treat people like diseases - you seem to discount everything form the allopathic world just because it includes diseases, which INCLUDE THYROID DISEASES, just because you had bad experiences with several physicians. all I am saying is there are diseases [including thyroid] that are treated in all areas of medicine whether it is allopathic or natural. a patient comes into the office and we listen to their complaints; we exam them; order tests and see what results we get; come up with a diagnosis and then DISCUSS with the patient what the treatment options are; give them info on everything and let them decide. BTW diseases are made up FROM VARIOUS SYMPTOMS. so, yes you can treat by symptoms and that DOES NOT mean you are not treating the disease. what do you think you are doing when you take your armour and iodine and bio-identical cortisol?? you ARE TREATING A DISEASED thyroid or adrenal gland. or if you don't have a thyroid you are replacing the hormones for that missing organ. Re: Re: TSH test and iodine the best docs I have been to have not been that way. they didn't treat me as a bunch of parts and diseases. In fact I never heard the " disease " word from them. compare that to the printouts from my mother's doc--yikes. Gracia gracia- in the naturopathic world there are lots of diseases and we treat them, too as well as in the Chinese Medicine world and the Native American medicine world and the East Indian medicine world. Recent Activity a.. 16New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. Healthy Eating on A place for parents to share their ideas. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 but you would have never taken cortef like drugs if you hadn't tested your adrenals in the first place to see if HAD a problem.... or at least I hope not- otherwise you could have given yourself too much cortisol..... just like with thyroid- you tested first to see where your thyroid hormones were- then dose to get the frees and T's in the right place, right?? that is the way you should do it and the way it is recommended by good providers and the stop the thyroid madness website. Re: TSH test and iodine > > > I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very > fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim test. > Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my > adrenals, if that tells you anything. > You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to see > what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to dose. > > " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to measure > free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of blood, > and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into > saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva is > extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part represent the > free fraction of the hormone. " > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 just want to add we also dose by symptoms but we use the labs as a guide to make sure one doesn't take too much or too little medication. nancie Re: TSH test and iodine > > > I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very > fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim test. > Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my > adrenals, if that tells you anything. > You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to see > what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to dose. > > " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to measure > free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of blood, > and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into > saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva is > extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part represent the > free fraction of the hormone. " > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Gracia wrote: > > not true at all. > I think you mean that 5% are treated, the rest suffer from bad genes. No, I meant what I said. I have read about a dozen studies of the test and the false negative rate ran from 3% to 9% but was most often around 5%. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Sweety pie, huney bunch, doll baby, go to the links I provided and you will find that which you request. It's my birthday at 12:10am Pennsylvania time..humor me. Sam :-P > > Sam, > > As I have told you many times before, I would consider doing all of > those things if you will give me just ONE credible peer reviewed paper > supporting the propaganda. > > Chuck > > > > > > > > Chuck, go here http://www.iodine4health.com/ > > <http://www.iodine4health.com/> and read. > > Mmm, how about go to the next iodine conference. > > You could also read the stuff on Steph's site: > > http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html > > <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html> > > and better yet, contact her. She'll give you quite the earful... > > And why don't you join the iodine group and expose yourself > > to all that information? iodine > > <iodine> > > > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I started low dose (20mg) Cortef according to the symptoms I had (later switched to prednisoLone enteric), not by testing, however I did end up being forced to take the ACTH Stim and 24hr urine tests after I tred to get a prescription for it so insurance would pay for more when I needed it. The endo at that time refused to Rx anything for my adrenals because I did not yet have 's. I dose by symptoms. I don't use labs to dose by symptoms, I use symptoms to dose by symptoms. Doesn't matter where my " numbers " are to me at all as long as I am not symptomatic. My numbers could be sky high or at the bottom of the barrel and I care not. I am dead serious. And I am healthy because of that. Because of a very low TSH some allopathic idiot moron destroyed my HEALTHY thyroid gland! MY " HEALTHY " THYROID!!!!! Some of us think allopathic medicine is too full of holes because that has been our tragic experience, and I've had more than one tragic experience with those loons. My 2 cents (just think what 20 cents would have been) Sam :-o > > > > look my Md has done RESEARCH and she has found that the salvia test > is not accurate because of the proteins that are found in salvia- > they can bound the cortisol and skew the test results. she trusts the > 24 hour urine collection test that is then sent to a special lab and > it takes 3 weeks. > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > > > > > I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very > > fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim test. > > Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my > > adrenals, if that tells you anything. > > You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to > see > > what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to dose. > > > > " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to > measure > > free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of > blood, > > and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into > > saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva is > > extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part represent > the > > free fraction of the hormone. " > > > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 everything's cool when you put a smiley face at the end! ;-))) neil _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:15 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine Yes, but please note the smiley face at the end. Sam :-D > > > Ouch, Sam. Was that really necessary? > > Eh, scratch the question mark, I don't wanna hear it. > > Peace, > > > > > > Really for truely, Chuck, the TSH test is still stupid, no matter what you > say... > > And I really wish you'd get your head out from whatever oriface it is stuck > in > and open your eyes about inorganic iodine and iodine deficiency. I say that > because > what you, and other uninformed people have been saying makes all of you sound > like ignorant school children who " think " you know everything. > > Sam > > > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body. <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?> aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Exactly. <giggle> Sam :-D > > everything's cool when you put a smiley face at the end! ;-))) > > neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I also have a very low TSH, buth the T4 and T3 free numbers are fine. How did they destroy your thyroid? Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: I started low dose (20mg) Cortef according to the symptoms I had (later switched to prednisoLone enteric), not by testing, however I did end up being forced to take the ACTH Stim and 24hr urine tests after I tred to get a prescription for it so insurance would pay for more when I needed it. The endo at that time refused to Rx anything for my adrenals because I did not yet have 's. I dose by symptoms. I don't use labs to dose by symptoms, I use symptoms to dose by symptoms. Doesn't matter where my " numbers " are to me at all as long as I am not symptomatic. My numbers could be sky high or at the bottom of the barrel and I care not. I am dead serious. And I am healthy because of that. Because of a very low TSH some allopathic idiot moron destroyed my HEALTHY thyroid gland! MY " HEALTHY " THYROID!!!!! Some of us think allopathic medicine is too full of holes because that has been our tragic experience, and I've had more than one tragic experience with those loons. My 2 cents (just think what 20 cents would have been) Sam :-o > > > > look my Md has done RESEARCH and she has found that the salvia test > is not accurate because of the proteins that are found in salvia- > they can bound the cortisol and skew the test results. she trusts the > 24 hour urine collection test that is then sent to a special lab and > it takes 3 weeks. > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > > > > > I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very > > fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim test. > > Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my > > adrenals, if that tells you anything. > > You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to > see > > what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to dose. > > > > " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to > measure > > free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of > blood, > > and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into > > saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva is > > extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part represent > the > > free fraction of the hormone. " > > > > Sam --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Actually a person really needs blood testing to be sure, it's the only way. The proper test is the 25-hydrox-D test. If you cannot do testing, taking 2,000iu of an oil based D3 gel cap will not harm you, but that amount may be FAR too low. I found out that I needed far more, it takes over 6,000iu daily for my blood level to get to 50ng/ml. It takes 4,000iu daily for my wife to reach the same level. Dr. (cardiologist with a blog) tests every one of his patients, some take as little as 2,000iu, some take in the 12-14,000iu daily to reach optimal levels! Be sure to check out this link... http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/vitamin%20D Vitamin D is a fat soluble prohormone, too little is unfortunate because you do not get all the benefits and too much can be bad and lead to too much calcium in the blood. But when you get it right all sorts of good things happen...up to 70% reduction of cancers, less coronary artery disease, far fewer colds and flu, better physical performance,etc. If you have the time this video is fantastic... http://wildhorse.insinc.com/directms13oct2005/ Neil > Exactly Sam...the MDR for iodine is just so people don't get a huge > goiter...and not a molecule more. > > Same with Vitamin D, just enough not to get rickets and be able to > walk...nothing more. > > Forget OPTIMAL levels, forget optimal health, just the minimum. > > Just enough Levoxyl to come into the bottom end of normal and not a > microgram more. Still have a weight problem? Get some self control! Still > feel horrible? Have some anti-depressants, its all in your mind! Cholesterol > through the roof? Here's a stiff dose of Crestor that will make your bones > ache! > > Neil > > > _____ > > From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of Sam > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:41 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine > > > The TSH test changed about a decade ago, > > making it much more sensitive. > > A decade ago that " sensitive " TSH test kept me > severely hypO. > > > And, no, I don't believe that most Americans > > are deficient in iodine. > > That's too bad. Perhaps you would chance your mind after > speaking with Drs Flechas and Brownstein. > > > The last CDC study (1995) showed that only about 12% > > in the U.S. were below the recommended dietary levels, > > at risk rather than deficient. > > Recommended dietary level of 150 MICROgrams. EEK! > I know you know darned well that the human body is > supposed to contain much more than that per day. > > > The World Health Organization standard for defining > > a deficient population is 20% below the dietary > > recommendation. > > That recomendation of 150 MICROgrams again. That is such a pathetic > amount of iodine per day. No wonder the US is experiencing > an " obesity " epidemic, increased cancers, and other issues directly > related to iodine deficiency. What the heck, apparently the planet > needs " some " sort of way to reduce the population on it... > > Sam :-o > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 happy birthday sweetie pie honey bunch---that's from an old rock and roll song XXOO Gracia p.s. Chuck--why don't you believe the ppl who are telling you that Iodoral works? what about evidence based medicine?? Sweety pie, huney bunch, doll baby, go to the links I provided and you will find that which you request. It's my birthday at 12:10am Pennsylvania time..humor me. Sam :-P > > Sam, > > As I have told you many times before, I would consider doing all of > those things if you will give me just ONE credible peer reviewed paper > supporting the propaganda. > > Chuck > > > > > > > > Chuck, go here http://www.iodine4health.com/ > > <http://www.iodine4health.com/> and read. > > Mmm, how about go to the next iodine conference. > > You could also read the stuff on Steph's site: > > http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html > > <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html> > > and better yet, contact her. She'll give you quite the earful... > > And why don't you join the iodine group and expose yourself > > to all that information? iodine > > <iodine> > > > > Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 And thank YOU, Gracia for helping me get to where I am now. I wouldn't be above ground if it weren't for you and ... Sam :-D > > > > Sam, > > > > As I have told you many times before, I would consider doing all of > > those things if you will give me just ONE credible peer reviewed > paper > > supporting the propaganda. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck, go here http://www.iodine4health.com/ > > > <http://www.iodine4health.com/> and read. > > > Mmm, how about go to the next iodine conference. > > > You could also read the stuff on Steph's site: > > > http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html > > > <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html> > > > and better yet, contact her. She'll give you quite the earful... > > > And why don't you join the iodine group and expose yourself > > > to all that information? > iodine > > > <iodine> > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 allopathic vs holistic medicine. Gracia Gracia wrote: > > not true at all. > I think you mean that 5% are treated, the rest suffer from bad genes. No, I meant what I said. I have read about a dozen studies of the test and the false negative rate ran from 3% to 9% but was most often around 5%. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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