Re: TSH test and iodine

January 11, 2008

I know. One of the times I was in the ER for the Afib, it was over 4 hours and

even with all

their medications, they couldn't stop it. Then someone walked into the center

of the ER

arrangement of rooms, with perfume, which I evidently was allergic to, and I

started coughing

really hard. Suddenly, the rythm converted and was normal.

Roni

Gale <nsndallas@...> wrote:

Thanks Roni,

That is close to what my DH takes. On new years day he woke up with

his heart racing again. His Dr advised that he may be able to stop an

episode by coughing hard or bearing down. She said that sometimes

that will reset the heart rhytmn.

Gale

> Roni,

>

> My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also on HC

& Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the

Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend?

>

> Gale

>

January 11, 2008

TSH kept me hypo until I was 24.

-- Re: TSH test and iodine

> The TSH test changed about a decade ago,

> making it much more sensitive.

A decade ago that " sensitive " TSH test kept me

severely hypO.

> And, no, I don't believe that most Americans

> are deficient in iodine.

That's too bad. Perhaps you would chance your mind after

speaking with Drs Flechas and Brownstein.

> The last CDC study (1995) showed that only about 12%

> in the U.S. were below the recommended dietary levels,

> at risk rather than deficient.

Recommended dietary level of 150 MICROgrams. EEK!

I know you know darned well that the human body is

supposed to contain much more than that per day.

> The World Health Organization standard for defining

> a deficient population is 20% below the dietary

> recommendation.

That recomendation of 150 MICROgrams again. That is such a pathetic

amount of iodine per day. No wonder the US is experiencing

an " obesity " epidemic, increased cancers, and other issues directly

related to iodine deficiency. What the heck, apparently the planet

needs " some " sort of way to reduce the population on it...

Sam :-o

January 11, 2008

Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless,

if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg]

But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is

somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be

accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment

to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of

the scientific method.

As always, IMHO.

PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And

he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " ! [ggg]

>

> Re: TSH test and iodine

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

<mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 pm (PST)

>

> More than personal experience, .

>

> It makes me very uncomfortable when you, and like, call the

> researchers shills. Would you please not do that?

>

> Sam

>

> >

> > That should be interesting; but really only if it's peer reviewed.

> If

> > it's the iodine docs " researching " the product they shill for it's

> of no

> > real interest to a scientist. Keep us informed...

> >

> > BTW, I rather suspect that you may have reference to personal

> > experience, which is not a controlled study. If that's the case it

> may

> > have monumental personal value; but zilch in professional circles.

> I

> > know you don't understand or accept that; but it's the simple truth.

> >

> > >

> > > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > >

> > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> > > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

> 20iodine>

> > > stealthwind <stealthwind

> <stealthwind>>

> > >

> > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:08 am (PST)

> > >

> > > Mmmm, there is a controlled study going on...it's

> > > not falling flat on it's face.

January 11, 2008

There are many patients that have tried " regular " doctors....sometimes for

years with poor results.

If the patients get good results, who's to argue? Brownstein is so booked up

he is not accepting patients at this time.

My personal doctor has degrees in neurology, behavioral neurology,

endocrinology, immunology, and nutrition...he has me taking Lugol's (wrote a

prescription for it and I got it filled at a compounding pharmacy), Armour,

vitamin C, B-100, and a few others along those lines.

So my doctor is a crock too?

Neil

_____

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:01 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine

Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless,

if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg]

But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is

somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be

accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment

to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of

the scientific method.

As always, IMHO.

PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And

he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " ! [ggg]

>

> Re: TSH test and iodine

> <http://groups.

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org

> <mailto:k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>

org?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine>

> stealthwind <http://profiles. <stealthwind>

/stealthwind>

>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 pm (PST)

>

> More than personal experience, .

>

> It makes me very uncomfortable when you, and like, call the

> researchers shills. Would you please not do that?

>

> Sam

>

> >

> > That should be interesting; but really only if it's peer reviewed.

> If

> > it's the iodine docs " researching " the product they shill for it's

> of no

> > real interest to a scientist. Keep us informed...

> >

> > BTW, I rather suspect that you may have reference to personal

> > experience, which is not a controlled study. If that's the case it

> may

> > have monumental personal value; but zilch in professional circles.

> I

> > know you don't understand or accept that; but it's the simple truth.

> >

> > >

> > > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > >

> > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> > > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

> 20iodine>

> > > stealthwind <http://profiles. <stealthwind>

/stealthwind

> <http://profiles. <stealthwind>

/stealthwind>>

> > >

> > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:08 am (PST)

> > >

> > > Mmmm, there is a controlled study going on...it's

> > > not falling flat on it's face.

January 11, 2008

No, but each doctor and each situation has to be taken case by case, and what

will work for one won't for another. Sometimes, allopathic medicine is needed,

and

sometimes holistic medicine is needed. It's not that one is good and one bad,

it's

that they ALL need to be more flexible and work with each other for the

benefit of the

paitient, instead of for the benefit of promoting their own ajenda.

Roni

neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

There are many patients that have tried " regular " doctors....sometimes

for

years with poor results.

If the patients get good results, who's to argue? Brownstein is so booked up

he is not accepting patients at this time.

My personal doctor has degrees in neurology, behavioral neurology,

endocrinology, immunology, and nutrition...he has me taking Lugol's (wrote a

prescription for it and I got it filled at a compounding pharmacy), Armour,

vitamin C, B-100, and a few others along those lines.

So my doctor is a crock too?

Neil

_____

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:01 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine

Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless,

if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg]

But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is

somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be

accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment

to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of

the scientific method.

As always, IMHO.

PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And

he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " ! [ggg]

>

> Re: TSH test and iodine

> <http://groups.

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org

> <mailto:k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>

org?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine>

> stealthwind <http://profiles. <stealthwind>

/stealthwind>

>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 pm (PST)

>

> More than personal experience, .

>

> It makes me very uncomfortable when you, and like, call the

> researchers shills. Would you please not do that?

>

> Sam

>

> >

> > That should be interesting; but really only if it's peer reviewed.

> If

> > it's the iodine docs " researching " the product they shill for it's

> of no

> > real interest to a scientist. Keep us informed...

> >

> > BTW, I rather suspect that you may have reference to personal

> > experience, which is not a controlled study. If that's the case it

> may

> > have monumental personal value; but zilch in professional circles.

> I

> > know you don't understand or accept that; but it's the simple truth.

> >

> > >

> > > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > >

> > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> > > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

> 20iodine>

> > > stealthwind <http://profiles. <stealthwind>

/stealthwind

> <http://profiles. <stealthwind>

/stealthwind>>

> > >

> > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:08 am (PST)

> > >

> > > Mmmm, there is a controlled study going on...it's

> > > not falling flat on it's face.

January 11, 2008

I learned accidentally that I could cough and convert myself from my

high heart rate arrhythmia. But the Verapamil controls it very well.

>

> Re: TSH test and iodine

>

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>

> Posted by: " Gale " nsndallas@...

>

<mailto:nsndallas@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine>

> hypowho <hypowho>

>

> Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:04 am (PST)

>

> Thanks Roni,

>

> That is close to what my DH takes. On new years day he woke up with

> his heart racing again. His Dr advised that he may be able to stop an

> episode by coughing hard or bearing down. She said that sometimes

> that will reset the heart rhytmn.

>

> Gale

January 11, 2008

What would give you that impression? Don't you respect his professional

opinion?

OTOH if he's a shi..., er, I mean a SALESMAN for an iodine sales outfit,

for whom he writes " professional " papers that cannot get published

anywhere other than a chiropractic journal [also heavily involved in

selling the same product] and if he's a laughing stock with all of the

reputable people in his field then the shoe might possibly fit... If

not I have no reason to question his credibility. FAIK he may be the

top doc in his field.

> Re: TSH test and iodine

>

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>

> Posted by: " neil " neilneil@...

>

<mailto:neilneil@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine>

> onewaypockets <onewaypockets>

>

> Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:36 pm (PST)

>

> There are many patients that have tried " regular " doctors....sometime

> s for

> years with poor results.

>

> If the patients get good results, who's to argue? Brownstein is so

> booked up

> he is not accepting patients at this time.

>

> My personal doctor has degrees in neurology, behavioral neurology,

> endocrinology, immunology, and nutrition...he has me taking Lugol's

> (wrote a

> prescription for it and I got it filled at a compounding pharmacy),

> Armour,

> vitamin C, B-100, and a few others along those lines.

>

> So my doctor is a crock too?

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> [mailto:hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>]

> On Behalf Of

> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:01 PM

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine

>

> Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless,

> if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg]

>

> But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is

> somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be

> accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment

> to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of

> the scientific method.

>

> As always, IMHO.

>

> PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And

> he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " ! [ggg]

January 11, 2008

Thank you, dear , I'd kiss you, but since you had to add more to

your reply, I guess I'll just wait until your head emerges from the

sand it was buried in to do that (and you thought I was gonna say

arse, didn't you). <grin> I'll just stick my tongue out at you (I can

touch my chin with it)... <more grinning>

I hope you realize that those fellows, et al have working practices

with patients of all sorts. Besides, people do not get rich selling

iodine, they get rich selling synthroid and recreational

thyroidectomies and/or antidepressants with or without hysterectomies

and/or a prostatectomies tossed in for good measure.

Sam :-D

> > >

> > > That should be interesting; but really only if it's peer

reviewed.

> > If

> > > it's the iodine docs " researching " the product they shill for

it's

> > of no

> > > real interest to a scientist. Keep us informed...

> > >

> > > BTW, I rather suspect that you may have reference to personal

> > > experience, which is not a controlled study. If that's the case

it

> > may

> > > have monumental personal value; but zilch in professional

circles.

> > I

> > > know you don't understand or accept that; but it's the simple

truth.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > > >

> > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@

> > > > <mailto:k9gang@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

> > 20iodine>

> > > > stealthwind <stealthwind

> > <stealthwind>>

> > > >

> > > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:08 am (PST)

> > > >

> > > > Mmmm, there is a controlled study going on...it's

> > > > not falling flat on it's face.

>

January 12, 2008

What does it mean if your TSH says you are slightly hyperT but the Ft3

and Ft4 are in the normal range?

Venizia

> >

> > TSH kept me hypo until I was 24.

>

> A more accurate phrasing might be that a poor interpretation of the TSH

> kept you hypoT. Don't forget that the first definition of the term

> " hypothyroid " was based on the TSH. It has since been generalized to

> mean symptomatic or deficient in the Frees, but the " old school " view

> was that you could have symptoms and still not be hypoT by the TSH

> definition.

>

> Chuck

>

January 12, 2008

if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour very quickly.

no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when adrenals are properly

treated. he probly needs testosterone too.

Gracia

Roni,

My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also on HC & Armour

but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the Armour. What

supplements did your Dr recommend?

Gale

January 12, 2008

venizia1948 wrote:

>

> What does it mean if your TSH says you are slightly hyperT but the Ft3

> and Ft4 are in the normal range?

If you are taking a T3 medication, it probably means you are properly

dosed. If that is from screening someone who is not medicated, it means

something else might be wrong, perhaps the pituitary or Grave's.

Chuck

January 12, 2008

Gracia,

His adrenals tested very BAD. He is on 7.5 Delta & 4 gr of Armour at

this time. On 3,1/2 gr of Armour his Saliva test showed his T4 below

range, this was pre Delta. His DHEA was at the top of range as he had

been supplementing DHEA for a while.

We really cannot see any improvment yet & he recently had another

episode of A-Fib, about 2 weeks after starting the Delta. For now at

least we just have to take it slow & easy. He is still very hypo though.

Gale

>

> if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour

very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when

adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too.

> Gracia

>

> Roni,

>

> My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also on

HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the

Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend?

>

> Gale

>

January 12, 2008

it probly means that you are undertreated. TSH should be almost nothing, and

frees should be in upper quadrant of range.

gracia

What does it mean if your TSH says you are slightly hyperT but the Ft3

and Ft4 are in the normal range?

Venizia

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I thought the " old school " view was that if you had hypo symptoms (which

included psych symptoms) and high cholesterol, then you were treated with

Armour. and even iodine (Lugols). That must have been in the 20s and 30s.

Gracia

Crystal wrote:

>

> TSH kept me hypo until I was 24.

A more accurate phrasing might be that a poor interpretation of the TSH

kept you hypoT. Don't forget that the first definition of the term

" hypothyroid " was based on the TSH. It has since been generalized to

mean symptomatic or deficient in the Frees, but the " old school " view

was that you could have symptoms and still not be hypoT by the TSH

definition.

Chuck

January 13, 2008

oops your ignorance is showing.

we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc.

gracia

Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless,

if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg]

But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is

somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be

accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment

to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of

the scientific method.

As always, IMHO.

PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And

he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " ! [ggg]

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January 13, 2008

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I thought the " old school " view was that if you had hypo symptoms (which

> included psych symptoms) and high cholesterol, then you were treated

> with Armour. and even iodine (Lugols). That must have been in the 20s

> and 30s.

That is almost stone age, rather than old school.

The term " hypothyroidism " was not even used until 1905. Before that, the

most common description was myxedema, although the congenital version

was known as cretinism. In 1890, Victor Horsley demonstrated that the

myxedema horror that followed thyroidectomy could be treated by

dessicated sheep thyroids. In 1891, R. Murray then successfully

tried the same treatment on spontaneous myxedema. As a result, it was

called a " thyroid deficiency, " which later came to be occasionally

referred to as hypothyroidism. The problem was that nobody really knew

what the thyroid gland did that prevented the condition. In the 1940s

they started using radiotracers and could then follow where iodine and

thyroid hormones went.

The term really became common in the 1960s with the push to relieve

mental retardation. The old term of cretinism was thought to carry too

many negative connotations, so it was dropped in favor of congenital

hypothyroidism. CH was then the third leading cause of mental

retardation. In spite of the new wider use of the term, it was really

just an undefined technical description until 1974, when the TSH test

came in. HypoT and hyperT both became defined as a TSH above or below

certain levels. For at least a decade, that WAS the definition. Then

tests for other thyroxine forms (FT4, T3, etc.) came in, so the

definition became more generalized.

Curiously, in 1938, they recorded a series of deaths from dessicated

glands, when doctors tried an initial dose of four grains. This caused

some caution in treatment until 1954, when another group had the bright

idea that over dosing with four to six grains might be a cure for

atheriosclerotic diseases, resulting in another rash of heart attack

deaths that could have been avoided. At that time high doses of iodine

were used to prep for thyroid surgery, because it was known to

temporarily shut down the gland.

Although the original thyroid medication came exclusively from sheep,

most of the dessicated thyroid sold by the Armour meat packing operation

in the 1920s and 30s was probably a mix of beef and pork products. The

modern brand name owned by Forest Pharmaceuticals is 100% pork.

In 1948, Armour added a germicidal agent to the soap it made from the

tallow by-product of meat packing. They called it Dial soap, which went

on to spawn a whole division of the company based on deodorants and

shaving creams. This was eventually bought by Greyhound. Eventually,

Greyhound-Armour-Dial sold off the bus business and acquired the Breck

hair products line and later Renuzit and Nature's Accents. All of this

was bought by a German company, which eventually sold the Armour food

line to Pinnacle Foods and others. For example, Armour hot dogs are

today sold by field Foods.

Chuck

January 13, 2008

I have been pretty quiet here with a bad case of acute bronchities - following

two asthma attacks, so I have been a pretty sick chick here. Read a lot, but no

posts in a while, but I had to answer this. Brownstein is getting results.

People in his practice are getting well. This means MUCH more to me than any

double blind study funded by the pharmaceutical giants. I have been to many

regular doctors over my 54 year history, and many of them did things that did

more to harm me then get me well. The same goes for my DH. He was even told his

chest pain, which was severe, was all in his head! I told him " welcome to my

world. " I heard that so often I wanted to puke. Not one of them even ran tests

for Hashi's! Not one of them checked anything beyond the stupid TSH. I finally

found a good DO, who is unfortunately not on my ins. plan, who finally ran the

antibody tests and I found out I was Hashi's; 10 years AFTER one doctor told me

my thryoid wasn't working normally; that one side

was deformed and the other was working overtime to compensate. Did he run any

tests? No. Just gave me some synthriod, which did me no good on any dose, and

sent me on my way, dissatisfied and feeling that something wasn't quite right

and still not well. I, for one, have had it with the " establishment " and their

double blind studies that might well have skewed results! Alternative medicine

and Armour + some T3 have helped me immensely, and my DH has gone from being

totally disabled and in constant pain to back to work floor sanding. The medical

establishment gave up on him and washed their hands of him. He got disgusted

with them all and took his health into his own hands, earned to use a computer,

got online, and started doing painstaking research. The result of all of this is

that he can work again. He has used Hulda 's ideas, many of which have been

very helpful to him. He utilized heavy duty juicing and other methods he read

about, and the result is that he has his

health back, totally without the help of so called modern medicine. Double

blind studies don't mean a whole lot to me; results do.

F ( C.)

There are many patients that have tried " regular " doctors....sometime s for

years with poor results.

If the patients get good results, who's to argue? Brownstein is so booked up

he is not accepting patients at this time.

My personal doctor has degrees in neurology, behavioral neurology,

endocrinology, immunology, and nutrition... he has me taking Lugol's (wrote a

prescription for it and I got it filled at a compounding pharmacy), Armour,

vitamin C, B-100, and a few others along those lines.

So my doctor is a crock too?

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:01 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine

Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless,

if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg]

But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is

somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be

accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment

to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of

the scientific method.

As always, IMHO.

PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And

he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " ! [ggg]

January 13, 2008

,

Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I am sure that I can speak for a

lot of people who needed to hear that. I have to agree. Results are what

count, in my book too. You don't have to be a MD to help people. (And there

are some good ones, don't get me wrong), but I needed to hear that. I am very

open to alternatives, in fact, they have helped me when the doctors couldn't

really offer any hope. But, it is so good to look outside the box.

Can you tell me, did you try iodine? Also, glad to hear that DH is feeling

better!! P.S. What is DH?

Hugs,

<cccquilter@...> wrote:

I have been pretty quiet here with a bad case of acute bronchities -

following two asthma attacks, so I have been a pretty sick chick here. Read a

lot, but no posts in a while, but I had to answer this. Brownstein is getting

results. People in his practice are getting well. This means MUCH more to me

than any double blind study funded by the pharmaceutical giants. I have been to

many regular doctors over my 54 year history, and many of them did things that

did more to harm me then get me well. The same goes for my DH. He was even told

his chest pain, which was severe, was all in his head! I told him " welcome to my

world. " I heard that so often I wanted to puke. Not one of them even ran tests

for Hashi's! Not one of them checked anything beyond the stupid TSH. I finally

found a good DO, who is unfortunately not on my ins. plan, who finally ran the

antibody tests and I found out I was Hashi's; 10 years AFTER one doctor told me

my thryoid wasn't working normally;

that one side