Re: Any advice on staying asleep?

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Hi Mike.

I wish I could help, but I have the same problem about not being able

to stay asleep for more than a few hours and I am on armour too right

now. Have been for 25 years. Mine is weird though. It only happens in

the Summer. I have been this way for about 5 years now. I know what

its like to be sleepy and in my case grumpy without sleep.

Betty

>

> I've got no problem getting to sleep, but can't seem to stay that way

for more than 4 hours.

>

> This is 6 or 7 weeks into treatment with Armour. I'm up to 2 grains,

and not hyper, except in

> the wee hours of the morning! My labs came back with cortisol high

normal.

>

> I haven't done the 4x spit test yet, but would it even catch this event?

>

> Groggy and cross eyed.

>

> -Mike

>

[Guest guest]

I've read that waking too early can be helped by supplementing with extra

Magnesium. Gail.

hypothyroidism@...: bjshamrock@...: Wed, 2 Jul

2008 14:37:53 +0000Subject: Re: Any advice on staying asleep?

Hi Mike.I wish I could help, but I have the same problem about not being able to

stay asleep for more than a few hours and I am on armour too right now. Have

been for 25 years. Mine is weird though. It only happens in the Summer. I have

been this way for about 5 years now. I know what its like to be sleepy and in my

case grumpy without sleep.Betty>> I've got no problem getting to sleep, but can't

seem to stay that way for more than 4 hours. > > This is 6 or 7 weeks into

treatment with Armour. I'm up to 2 grains, and not hyper, except in > the wee

hours of the morning! My labs came back with cortisol high normal. > > I haven't

done the 4x spit test yet, but would it even catch this event? > > Groggy and

cross eyed.> > -Mike>

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I've read that waking too early can be helped by supplementing with extra

Magnesium. Gail.

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Gracia

Hi Mike.

I wish I could help, but I have the same problem about not being able

to stay asleep for more than a few hours and I am on armour too right

now. Have been for 25 years. Mine is weird though. It only happens in

the Summer. I have been this way for about 5 years now. I know what

its like to be sleepy and in my case grumpy without sleep.

Betty

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Hi Betty,

Same here. We are pretty far north, and every year, most of us

become maniacs, in the literal sense of the word, when the

sun comes out in spring. I remember waking up at 4:00 before,

but 12:30 is ridiculous.

I had a good workout this morning, but now I feel kind of jittery.

I just took 1 grain first thing this morning (well, about 4:00),

and another 1/2 a few minutes ago. I usually take the whole

1 1/2 grains first thing, but I'm trying to spread it out a little

more.

Jittery then sleepy. Sheesh, this is going to get old fast.

>

> Hi Mike.

>

> I wish I could help, but I have the same problem about not being able

> to stay asleep for more than a few hours and I am on armour too right

> now. Have been for 25 years. Mine is weird though. It only happens in

> the Summer. I have been this way for about 5 years now. I know what

> its like to be sleepy and in my case grumpy without sleep.

>

> Betty

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

I am a magnesium junky because I spend a lot of time

sweating it out in an infrared sauna, or spinning an

elliptical. I was so tired last night I forgot to take it,

but I did at 12:30 when I woke up.

TOo late then I s'pose.

Thanks!

-MIike

> I've read that waking too early can be helped by supplementing with extra

Magnesium.

Gail.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Gracia!

> http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

> Gracia

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

Is that the book you read, or the book read.

Good advice. Thanks!

Yeah, I probably need to do the 4x spit test thingy...

> good sleep=enough Armour (180--300mg) plus adrenal support. sometimes sex

hormornes. Look at Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

Mike, have you dealt with adrenals? Have you considered the waking's can be

from some other source? Are you emotionally healthy? Do you set an alarm?

If I know I have to get up at a certain time, but I don't set my alarm clock

I keep waking up. My doc suggests spreading my Armour out taking it a

couple times of day, but I would always forget the 2nd dose. So I take all

4 grains as soon as I wake up. Maybe you could change the time of day you

take yours. Maybe at night before bed.?

crystal

-- Re: Any advice on staying asleep?

Hi Betty,

Same here. We are pretty far north, and every year, most of us

become maniacs, in the literal sense of the word, when the

sun comes out in spring. I remember waking up at 4:00 before,

but 12:30 is ridiculous.

I had a good workout this morning, but now I feel kind of jittery.

I just took 1 grain first thing this morning (well, about 4:00),

and another 1/2 a few minutes ago. I usually take the whole

1 1/2 grains first thing, but I'm trying to spread it out a little

more.

Jittery then sleepy. Sheesh, this is going to get old fast.

>

> Hi Mike.

>

> I wish I could help, but I have the same problem about not being able

> to stay asleep for more than a few hours and I am on armour too right

> now. Have been for 25 years. Mine is weird though. It only happens in

> the Summer. I have been this way for about 5 years now. I know what

> its like to be sleepy and in my case grumpy without sleep.

>

> Betty

[Guest guest]

Hi Crystal,

My doc is very good, but very slow and methodical. WIth this last

round of tests, she is concerned about tumors and hypopituitary

issues, so that is what she is focusing on. The cortisol numbers for

the 24 hour urine were high normal. If this goes on too much longer,

I'll pay for the 4x cortisol saliva test out of my own pocket.

It might be worth a try taking a little Armour right before bed. I get

sleepy right after I take it in the morning. It just seems contra-intuitive.

Emotions, nothing new going on there. Things are actually getting

better these days.

Thanks Crystal,

-Mike

>

> Mike, have you dealt with adrenals? Have you considered the waking's can be

> from some other source? Are you emotionally healthy? Do you set an alarm?

> If I know I have to get up at a certain time, but I don't set my alarm clock

> I keep waking up. My doc suggests spreading my Armour out taking it a

> couple times of day, but I would always forget the 2nd dose. So I take all

> 4 grains as soon as I wake up. Maybe you could change the time of day you

> take yours. Maybe at night before bed.?

> crystal

[Guest guest]

>

> I am a magnesium junky because I spend a lot of time

> sweating it out in an infrared sauna, or spinning an

> elliptical. I was so tired last night I forgot to take it,

> but I did at 12:30 when I woke up.

>

> TOo late then I s'pose.

OK, Here's a few more things -

Calcium can have a role in early waking, so maybe too much Magnesium is

creating an imbalance at the moment?

Taurine can help by getting the magnesium into the cells - it is also

supporting the liver which a lot of us seem to need, which prompts the

thought that liver support in general may help, so liver herbs like Milk

Thistle could be helpful Also the herb Rhodiola could help because it

supports the adrenals, balances blood sugar and has a role in improving

thyroid fuuction.

The orotate form of Magnesium is meant to be better for actually getting

the Magnesium into the cells quickly - other forms allow it to build up

in the body but not necessarily in the cell.

You might need extra Vitamin B6 to help the Magnesium work.

Magnesium helps you get to sleep and Potassium helps you to stay asleep.

Potassium is also needed to move thyroid hormone into the cells.

5HTP is supposed to increase the length of sleep time.

Check out the sleep information on the Stop the Thyroid Madness site -

on the adrenal page there is information on using Phosphatidyl Serine -

it uses up the excess nighttime cortisol and keeps you asleep.

Vitamin B3 (200 - 1,000 mg of the Niacinamide form of Vitamin B3 taken

at bedtime)

Also B12, Vitamine E, Inositol and Choline all have a role too.

It can be really helpful to split your armour into at least 3 doses.

This keeps the blood levels of T3 steadier and means that the adrenals

don't have to cope with a sudden large surge of it and then be

struggling for energy a few hours later.

Gail

[Guest guest]

yes, magnesium can help you to fall asleep. I tell patients to take their daily

dose of magnesium at night so they can benefit from a sleep aid.

nancie

From: Gail

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:07 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Re: Any advice on staying asleep?

I've read that waking too early can be helped by supplementing with extra

Magnesium. Gail.

hypothyroidism@...: bjshamrock@...: Wed, 2 Jul

2008 14:37:53 +0000Subject: Re: Any advice on staying asleep?

Hi Mike.I wish I could help, but I have the same problem about not being able to

stay asleep for more than a few hours and I am on armour too right now. Have

been for 25 years. Mine is weird though. It only happens in the Summer. I have

been this way for about 5 years now. I know what its like to be sleepy and in my

case grumpy without sleep.Betty>> I've got no problem getting to sleep, but can't

seem to stay that way for more than 4 hours. > > This is 6 or 7 weeks into

treatment with Armour. I'm up to 2 grains, and not hyper, except in > the wee

hours of the morning! My labs came back with cortisol high normal. > > I haven't

done the 4x spit test yet, but would it even catch this event? > > Groggy and

cross eyed.> > -Mike>

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it is never too late.

From: Mike Lawson

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:14 AM

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Subject: Re: Any advice on staying asleep?

Hi Gail,

I am a magnesium junky because I spend a lot of time

sweating it out in an infrared sauna, or spinning an

elliptical. I was so tired last night I forgot to take it,

but I did at 12:30 when I woke up.

TOo late then I s'pose.

Thanks!

-MIike

> I've read that waking too early can be helped by supplementing with extra

Magnesium.

Gail.

>

[Guest guest]

just be careful about the taurine- it is also used as a diuretic.

From: Gail

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:34 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Any advice on staying asleep?

>

> I am a magnesium junky because I spend a lot of time

> sweating it out in an infrared sauna, or spinning an

> elliptical. I was so tired last night I forgot to take it,

> but I did at 12:30 when I woke up.

>

> TOo late then I s'pose.

OK, Here's a few more things -

Calcium can have a role in early waking, so maybe too much Magnesium is

creating an imbalance at the moment?

Taurine can help by getting the magnesium into the cells - it is also

supporting the liver which a lot of us seem to need, which prompts the

thought that liver support in general may help, so liver herbs like Milk

Thistle could be helpful Also the herb Rhodiola could help because it

supports the adrenals, balances blood sugar and has a role in improving

thyroid fuuction.

The orotate form of Magnesium is meant to be better for actually getting

the Magnesium into the cells quickly - other forms allow it to build up

in the body but not necessarily in the cell.

You might need extra Vitamin B6 to help the Magnesium work.

Magnesium helps you get to sleep and Potassium helps you to stay asleep.

Potassium is also needed to move thyroid hormone into the cells.

5HTP is supposed to increase the length of sleep time.

Check out the sleep information on the Stop the Thyroid Madness site -

on the adrenal page there is information on using Phosphatidyl Serine -

it uses up the excess nighttime cortisol and keeps you asleep.

Vitamin B3 (200 - 1,000 mg of the Niacinamide form of Vitamin B3 taken

at bedtime)

Also B12, Vitamine E, Inositol and Choline all have a role too.

It can be really helpful to split your armour into at least 3 doses.

This keeps the blood levels of T3 steadier and means that the adrenals

don't have to cope with a sudden large surge of it and then be

struggling for energy a few hours later.

Gail

[Guest guest]

R U in Maine where the true Mainiacs are? you are just on too little Armour.

average dose is 180--300mg. I take 240mg.

Gracia

Hi Betty,

Same here. We are pretty far north, and every year, most of us

become maniacs, in the literal sense of the word, when the

sun comes out in spring. I remember waking up at 4:00 before,

but 12:30 is ridiculous.

I had a good workout this morning, but now I feel kind of jittery.

I just took 1 grain first thing this morning (well, about 4:00),

and another 1/2 a few minutes ago. I usually take the whole

1 1/2 grains first thing, but I'm trying to spread it out a little

more.

Jittery then sleepy. Sheesh, this is going to get old fast.

>

>

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this is really good Gail, but he is also on too little Armour. that's a big

one.

gracia

>

> I am a magnesium junky because I spend a lot of time

> sweating it out in an infrared sauna, or spinning an

> elliptical. I was so tired last night I forgot to take it,

> but I did at 12:30 when I woke up.

>

> TOo late then I s'pose.

OK, Here's a few more things -

Calcium can have a role in early waking, so maybe too much Magnesium is

creating an imbalance at the moment?

Taurine can help by getting the magnesium into the cells - it is also

supporting the liver which a lot of us seem to need, which prompts the

thought that liver support in general may help, so liver herbs like Milk

Thistle could be helpful Also the herb Rhodiola could help because it

supports the adrenals, balances blood sugar and has a role in improving

thyroid fuuction.

The orotate form of Magnesium is meant to be better for actually getting

the Magnesium into the cells quickly - other forms allow it to build up

in the body but not necessarily in the cell.

You might need extra Vitamin B6 to help the Magnesium work.

Magnesium helps you get to sleep and Potassium helps you to stay asleep.

Potassium is also needed to move thyroid hormone into the cells.

5HTP is supposed to increase the length of sleep time.

Check out the sleep information on the Stop the Thyroid Madness site -

on the adrenal page there is information on using Phosphatidyl Serine -

it uses up the excess nighttime cortisol and keeps you asleep.

Vitamin B3 (200 - 1,000 mg of the Niacinamide form of Vitamin B3 taken

at bedtime)

Also B12, Vitamine E, Inositol and Choline all have a role too.

It can be really helpful to split your armour into at least 3 doses.

This keeps the blood levels of T3 steadier and means that the adrenals

don't have to cope with a sudden large surge of it and then be

struggling for energy a few hours later.

Gail

[Guest guest]

the book I read and hey I know someone who knows Hertoghe well. He is a

wonderful guy.

Gracia

Gracia,

Is that the book you read, or the book read.

Good advice. Thanks!

Yeah, I probably need to do the 4x spit test thingy...

> good sleep=enough Armour (180--300mg) plus adrenal support. sometimes sex

hormornes. Look at Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail

> OK, Here's a few more things -

>

> Calcium can have a role in early waking, so maybe too much Magnesium is

> creating an imbalance at the moment?

Could be, but I do still get some cramps and muscle

spasms. I like the notion that it might just not be

getting to the cells that need it.

> Taurine can help by getting the magnesium into the cells - it is also

> supporting the liver which a lot of us seem to need, which prompts the

> thought that liver support in general may help, so liver herbs like Milk

> Thistle could be helpful Also the herb Rhodiola could help because it

> supports the adrenals, balances blood sugar and has a role in improving

> thyroid fuuction.

I take milk thistle already. I'll add Rhodiola and Taurine.

> The orotate form of Magnesium is meant to be better for actually getting

> the Magnesium into the cells quickly - other forms allow it to build up

> in the body but not necessarily in the cell.

Ahh, the birds and the B's. Yep, I take a B complex, and B-12

sublingually whenever I'm lifting weights, I probably ought to

get Folate and B-6 in there too. Thanks for that.

> You might need extra Vitamin B6 to help the Magnesium work.

>

> Magnesium helps you get to sleep and Potassium helps you to stay asleep.

> Potassium is also needed to move thyroid hormone into the cells.

I'll have to get some potassium going then. Got no problem going

to sleep, just staying that way.

> 5HTP is supposed to increase the length of sleep time.

What the heck, the more the merrier, I'll give that a try too.

> Check out the sleep information on the Stop the Thyroid Madness site -

> on the adrenal page there is information on using Phosphatidyl Serine -

> it uses up the excess nighttime cortisol and keeps you asleep.

>

> Vitamin B3 (200 - 1,000 mg of the Niacinamide form of Vitamin B3 taken

> at bedtime)

Is that the non-flushing kind? The regular stuff makes my skin

feel like it is crawling around trying to get away from itself.

> Also B12, Vitamine E, Inositol and Choline all have a role too.

Got'em, got'em, need'em.

> It can be really helpful to split your armour into at least 3 doses.

> This keeps the blood levels of T3 steadier and means that the adrenals

> don't have to cope with a sudden large surge of it and then be

> struggling for energy a few hours later.

As odd as it sounds, I get sleepy after taking a dose of Armour.

Maybe I should take one right before I go to bed. I woke up

this morning, 2:30 (2 extra hours of sleep!!!!) and my heart

was pounding, pulse was only 64, but BP was way up. Took my

Armour, and it went down. But... my doctor lady wants me to

be on 1/2 grain. I'm at 2 grain. This is going to HURT!!! That,

or I will be obliged not to comply. This morning I only took

1/2 grain, and already I'm starting to slip. Hope this doesn't

kill me. Sometimes I think doctors hate me.

> Gail

>

Thanks for all the good info Gail!

-Mike %^)

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>

> just be careful about the taurine- it is also used as a diuretic.

>

I P Freely... Thanks for the warning! ;-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Nancie,

> mike-

> it is never too late.

True that, but some times it sure feels like it is too early! ;-)

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nancie, I'll make sure that I don't forget my

nightly dose of magnesium. Should help keep the

creeping cramps away. Hate it when you wake up

and one leg is trying to walk away by itself, or a

calf is locked up in a paroxysm of pain.

> yes, magnesium can help you to fall asleep. I tell patients to take their

daily dose of

magnesium at night so they can benefit from a sleep aid.

> nancie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

> R U in Maine where the true Mainiacs are?

Nah, I'm just a poser in the great North Wet, near Seattle.

Thanks, you make me laugh. :-)

> you are just on too little Armour. average dose is 180--300mg. I take

240mg.

> Gracia

I keep telling my doc that, but out here on the west coast,

in the land of liberals, the health community is very

conservative. If this doesn't work out, I'm going to get on a plane

and head east to find a doctor that will treat this stuff

aggressively! I've been broken for about 30 years by my

estimation. That's long enough!

Thanks Gracia.

-Mike %^)

[Guest guest]

Very cool!

> the book I read and hey I know someone who knows Hertoghe well. He is

a wonderful

guy.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

yikes you've got some smarties out there too. google MD--he

is great. also somehwere in WA there is an ND I absolutely loved when she was

a brand new doc here--Lara Litov ND. She takes Armour herself.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

> R U in Maine where the true Mainiacs are?

Nah, I'm just a poser in the great North Wet, near Seattle.

Thanks, you make me laugh. :-)

> you are just on too little Armour. average dose is 180--300mg. I take 240mg.

> Gracia

I keep telling my doc that, but out here on the west coast,

in the land of liberals, the health community is very

conservative. If this doesn't work out, I'm going to get on a plane

and head east to find a doctor that will treat this stuff

aggressively! I've been broken for about 30 years by my

estimation. That's long enough!

Thanks Gracia.

-Mike %^)

[Guest guest]

Yeah I started taking magnesium because of fibromyalgia which it's supposed

to help with and I sleep great with it. I also have regained my long eye

lashes....I didn't even know it had that effect, but it's weird.

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