cheating and after effects

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

As you know I have been dealing with some pain and other issues since I

cheated on December 8th. I could still so kick myself for it but I know that

won't change anything. But I was wondering if you could explain what happens

exactly when you cheat. At the time I was eating 5 to 6 tablespoons of VCO

as well as 1 tbsp of olive oil. I wasn't drinking Pau D'Arco regularly

because I have a hard time getting it down. I had some pain from the

extracted tooth, but otherwise felt great - no backache, no calf pain, no

stiffness, etc. The day after the splurge which consisted of wheat, sugar,

and dairy, I had pain, stiffness, etc. I figured it would go away but it

didn't. It then took me about 2 weeks to figure out that the pain was from

VCO and die off. I had 2 days without pain but then travelling back from

vacation may have had things in my food that I shouldn't have eaten because

we were eating out. Back home I started eating palm oil to get my fat intake

up again and had severe pain again. When I cut it out, which was last week,

I had one day without pain. That was Thursday. I started drinking Pau D'Arco

tea and the pain came back but it took me about 2 days to figure that one

out.

So what happened? Did that splurge increase the candida levels in my body

that much? Did I completely ruin any progress I had made up until then? I

have gone from feeling energetic and pain free to waking up feeling like an

old woman, swollen eye lids, and pain throughout my body. I know candida

releases about 79 different toxins, but again, why is it so extreme what I

am experiencing. It seems that I can't tolerate even the slightest

antifungal anymore.

I am hoping that if I understand what is happening to me it will be easier

to deal with it.At this point I am wishing I had not taken this new job

while in December, before the splurge, I was almomst excited about it.

TIA,

a

[Guest guest]

a

Bee often says natural healing can be an up and down battle. I will

feel like a million bucks for a few days only to have three horrible

days that follow, though I hadnt changed anything.

The way I look at it is like this. When I was not eating right, food

antifungals didn't effect me. Since my immune system was so weak,

those antifungal foods probably just made candida grow slower, but

didn't do much more than that.

But now that I am eating the foods that help nourish my immune system,

my body is able to fight candida better, so now my body AND the

antifungals are working together, thus the increase of die off

symtoms, even though I am essentially healthier.

Its slightly counter intuitive, but its how I like to think about it,

on those really bad days, when I feel like giving up. Now when I look

at it this way, it makes me feel better, as it seems to show that my

body is actually fighting candida, along with the antifungals, and in

the long run, isn't that what we want our bodies to do?

Jecca " )

--- " a Carlton " <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> As you know I have been dealing with some pain and other issues since I

> cheated on December 8th. I could still so kick myself for it but I

know that

> won't change anything. But I was wondering if you could explain what

happens

> exactly when you cheat. At the time I was eating 5 to 6 tablespoons

of VCO

> as well as 1 tbsp of olive oil. I wasn't drinking Pau D'Arco regularly

> because I have a hard time getting it down. I had some pain from the

> extracted tooth, but otherwise felt great - no backache, no calf

pain, no

> stiffness, etc. The day after the splurge which consisted of wheat,

sugar,

> and dairy, I had pain, stiffness, etc. I figured it would go away but it

> didn't. It then took me about 2 weeks to figure out that the pain

was from

> VCO and die off. I had 2 days without pain but then travelling back from

> vacation may have had things in my food that I shouldn't have eaten

because

> we were eating out. Back home I started eating palm oil to get my

fat intake

> up again and had severe pain again. When I cut it out, which was

last week,

> I had one day without pain. That was Thursday. I started drinking

Pau D'Arco

> tea and the pain came back but it took me about 2 days to figure

that one

> out.

>

> So what happened? Did that splurge increase the candida levels in my

body

> that much? Did I completely ruin any progress I had made up until

then? I

> have gone from feeling energetic and pain free to waking up feeling

like an

> old woman, swollen eye lids, and pain throughout my body. I know candida

> releases about 79 different toxins, but again, why is it so extreme

what I

> am experiencing. It seems that I can't tolerate even the slightest

> antifungal anymore.

>

> I am hoping that if I understand what is happening to me it will be

easier

> to deal with it.At this point I am wishing I had not taken this new job

> while in December, before the splurge, I was almomst excited about it.

>

> TIA,

> a

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I needed to hear this right now. I am in such a state of anxiety and

depression that I can hardly breathe. I had an extra cup of garlic soup

yesterday.

Sigh,

Irene

At 03:44 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:

>a

>

>Bee often says natural healing can be an up and down battle. I will

>feel like a million bucks for a few days only to have three horrible

>days that follow, though I hadnt changed anything.

>

>The way I look at it is like this. When I was not eating right, food

>antifungals didn't effect me. Since my immune system was so weak,

>those antifungal foods probably just made candida grow slower, but

>didn't do much more than that.

>

>But now that I am eating the foods that help nourish my immune system,

>my body is able to fight candida better, so now my body AND the

>antifungals are working together, thus the increase of die off

>symtoms, even though I am essentially healthier.

>

>Its slightly counter intuitive, but its how I like to think about it,

>on those really bad days, when I feel like giving up. Now when I look

>at it this way, it makes me feel better, as it seems to show that my

>body is actually fighting candida, along with the antifungals, and in

>the long run, isn't that what we want our bodies to do?

>

>Jecca " )

>

>--- " a Carlton " <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Bee,

> >

> > As you know I have been dealing with some pain and other issues since I

> > cheated on December 8th. I could still so kick myself for it but I

>know that

> > won't change anything. But I was wondering if you could explain what

>happens

> > exactly when you cheat. At the time I was eating 5 to 6 tablespoons

>of VCO

> > as well as 1 tbsp of olive oil. I wasn't drinking Pau D'Arco regularly

> > because I have a hard time getting it down. I had some pain from the

> > extracted tooth, but otherwise felt great - no backache, no calf

>pain, no

> > stiffness, etc. The day after the splurge which consisted of wheat,

>sugar,

> > and dairy, I had pain, stiffness, etc. I figured it would go away but it

> > didn't. It then took me about 2 weeks to figure out that the pain

>was from

> > VCO and die off. I had 2 days without pain but then travelling back from

> > vacation may have had things in my food that I shouldn't have eaten

>because

> > we were eating out. Back home I started eating palm oil to get my

>fat intake

> > up again and had severe pain again. When I cut it out, which was

>last week,

> > I had one day without pain. That was Thursday. I started drinking

>Pau D'Arco

> > tea and the pain came back but it took me about 2 days to figure

>that one

> > out.

> >

> > So what happened? Did that splurge increase the candida levels in my

>body

> > that much? Did I completely ruin any progress I had made up until

>then? I

> > have gone from feeling energetic and pain free to waking up feeling

>like an

> > old woman, swollen eye lids, and pain throughout my body. I know candida

> > releases about 79 different toxins, but again, why is it so extreme

>what I

> > am experiencing. It seems that I can't tolerate even the slightest

> > antifungal anymore.

> >

> > I am hoping that if I understand what is happening to me it will be

>easier

> > to deal with it.At this point I am wishing I had not taken this new job

> > while in December, before the splurge, I was almomst excited about it.

> >

> > TIA,

> > a

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>Its slightly counter intuitive, but its how I like to think about it,

>on those really bad days, when I feel like giving up. Now when I look

>at it this way, it makes me feel better, as it seems to show that my

>body is actually fighting candida, along with the antifungals, and in

>the long run, isn't that what we want our bodies to do?

>Jecca " )

Hi Jecca,

Thank you for that explanation, that helps. The only thing is that I am not

doing antifungals right now - I stopped the Pau D'Arco tea, VCO, and palm

oil.

a

[Guest guest]

Hey a,

But don't you think that by " not doing antifungals right now - I

stopped the Pau D'Arco tea, VCO, and palm oil " this actually

illustrates the point I was making?

Before, when you ate those foods, your immune system may not have been

as strong, so those antifungals (by themselves - with out the

assistance of your immune system) caused moderate die off, if any at

all. Now that you have been on the diet for awhile, your immune

system may be stronger, so it could be fighting candida by itself

(with the help of the diet), so adding foods with antifungals

properties now causes a stronger die off than you had before.

I also wanted to say that I liked what you pointed out in your post to

Jackie " Pau D'Arco tea at 4 cups a day was awful for me, but at 1 cup

a day the pain was there, but it was tolerable. " Since, right now,

antifungal foods are increasing the die off you are experiencing to a

level that is hard on you, your approach of reducing them to a level

that is tolerable (like you did with the tea) is a great idea! Once

you can do that consistently, I think your die off will be more tolerable.

Don't get me wrong, it still will be hard, everyone gets die off

reactions, as you already know, but taking it slower may decrease your

discomfort. But concentrating on just eating approved foods, taking

all the supplements, and then only very slowly increasing the foods,

that cause you trouble, might be just the ticket! Good thinking. " )

Jecca

--- " a K. Carlton " <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jecca,

>

> Thank you for that explanation, that helps. The only thing is

> that I am not doing antifungals right now - I stopped the Pau

> D'Arco tea, VCO, and palm oil.

>

> a

[Guest guest]

Garlic soup? May I get the recipe?

Tina

> > >

> > > Hi Bee,

> > >

> > > As you know I have been dealing with some pain and other issues

since I

> > > cheated on December 8th. I could still so kick myself for it

but I

> >know that

> > > won't change anything. But I was wondering if you could explain

what

> >happens

> > > exactly when you cheat. At the time I was eating 5 to 6

tablespoons

> >of VCO

> > > as well as 1 tbsp of olive oil. I wasn't drinking Pau D'Arco

regularly

> > > because I have a hard time getting it down. I had some pain

from the

> > > extracted tooth, but otherwise felt great - no backache, no calf

> >pain, no

> > > stiffness, etc. The day after the splurge which consisted of

wheat,

> >sugar,

> > > and dairy, I had pain, stiffness, etc. I figured it would go

away but it

> > > didn't. It then took me about 2 weeks to figure out that the

pain

> >was from

> > > VCO and die off. I had 2 days without pain but then travelling

back from

> > > vacation may have had things in my food that I shouldn't have

eaten

> >because

> > > we were eating out. Back home I started eating palm oil to get

my

> >fat intake

> > > up again and had severe pain again. When I cut it out, which was

> >last week,

> > > I had one day without pain. That was Thursday. I started

drinking

> >Pau D'Arco

> > > tea and the pain came back but it took me about 2 days to figure

> >that one

> > > out.

> > >

> > > So what happened? Did that splurge increase the candida levels

in my

> >body

> > > that much? Did I completely ruin any progress I had made up

until

> >then? I

> > > have gone from feeling energetic and pain free to waking up

feeling

> >like an

> > > old woman, swollen eye lids, and pain throughout my body. I

know candida

> > > releases about 79 different toxins, but again, why is it so

extreme

> >what I

> > > am experiencing. It seems that I can't tolerate even the

slightest

> > > antifungal anymore.

> > >

> > > I am hoping that if I understand what is happening to me it

will be

> >easier

> > > to deal with it.At this point I am wishing I had not taken this

new job

> > > while in December, before the splurge, I was almomst excited

about it.

> > >

> > > TIA,

> > > a

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene,

Sorry you are having a tough time! Make sure to do detox stuff to

help you through, like what Bee recommends. " )

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/help2.php

Take care of yourself! " )

Jecca

I needed to hear this right now. I am in such a state of anxiety and

depression that I can hardly breathe. I had an extra cup of garlic

soup yesterday...

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

I just read your post and wanted to share a similar experience. I

cheated in early-december pretty badly (dark chocolate, and lots of

it). I rememmber before i had been feeling so good, then all of a

sudden it flipped around. I had been on diet for a few weeks at

least

100%, eating garlic and VCO every day.

I woke up the next morning with a horrid urinary track infection, for

which i had to take uristat because i was so miserable.

the week that followed my cheat, i felt worse than i had in a long

time. I did coffee enemas to help the detox, made sure to work out

and

take saunas, magnesium baths, you name it. I stopped with the garlic

anc VCO - stopped with the antifungals, and focused on sticking to

the

diet 100%, supplements, sleep, and anything else i could do with my

time to make myself feel better.

It took me a week to feel like the worst was over, and then i also

felt

like i was back to square one and had to re-build my tolerance to my

previous levels from scratch. It was frustrating - I remember

thinking

exactly what you wrote in your email ''i can't believe i could blow

everything with just a small cheat - i was doing so well!''

I took advantage of the holidays and rest time, and now, it's been

about a month, and i'm on vco, garlic, and 1-2 cups pau d'arco tea a

day. that is more than i had been taking pre-cheat.

I was thinking about it and:

Pre-cheat: -it took me 4 months to ease into my pre-cheat state from

where i was before (sick and clueless)

cheat: it took me 20 minutes to cheat

now: -it took me a few weeks to rebound

In retrospect:

-i think that as i heal and get stronger, it's also easier to rebound

(4 months vs. a few weeks) after a cheat.

-i think that as i heal, and rid my body of candida, i am more

sensitive to cheats than ever.

i just try to take it one day at a time, and to never forget how far

i've come, and how far i'll go. and i also never forget what an

applaudable, noble commitment i have made to my health and recovery

to

even think in terms of 'cheats' - it used to be 'normal'.

sara

[Guest guest]

>

> I needed to hear this right now. I am in such a state of anxiety and

> depression that I can hardly breathe. I had an extra cup of garlic

soup

> yesterday.

> Sigh, Irene

==>I'm glad that helped you Irene. Irene, would you please trim your

messages. Thanks a bunch.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Jecca,

Thanks. I had a really bad day yesterday. I was such a mess I couldn't eat

and the anxiety was so bad I was afraid to take supplements. I know, it

doesn't make sense but there it is. Anyway, thanks for the link although I

wasn't in any shape to read. When my husband got home from work, I took an

epsom salts bath and slept for an hour and that made all the difference.

Although it must have been a major detox I was going through because epsom

salts baths usually have a huge positive affect on my skin. Two hours after

the bath my skin looked as though I hadn't had one, but mentally I was much

better. I slept well too. I am feeling much better today thank you.

Irene

At 05:33 AM 1/9/2008, you wrote:

>Hi Irene,

>

>Sorry you are having a tough time! Make sure to do detox stuff to

>help you through, like what Bee recommends. " )

>

><http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/help2.php>http://www.healingnatu\

rallybybee.com/articles/help2.php

>

>Take care of yourself! " )

>

>Jecca

[Guest guest]

Hey Sara,

Just wanted to say I love your attitude. I couldnt have said it better!

Jecca

--- " sferrischilders " <sferrischilders@...> wrote:

....i just try to take it one day at a time, and to never forget how

far i've come, and how far i'll go. and i also never forget what an

applaudable, noble commitment i have made to my health and recovery

to even think in terms of 'cheats' - it used to be 'normal'...

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene,

Yeah, I can relate, on my bad days getting out of bed is a chore, so I

can see how reading wouldn't be a priority if you were feeling that

bad. And as anxiety can do funny things to a person, (I, myself, use

to be agoraphobic when my anxiety was really bad) your experience is

understandable! Taking the bath was a great idea, and naps always

make me feel better too. So glad to hear you are doing better today. " )

Jecca

Thanks. I had a really bad day yesterday. I was such a mess I couldn't

eat and the anxiety was so bad I was afraid to take supplements. I

know, it doesn't make sense but there it is. Anyway, thanks for the

link although I wasn't in any shape to read. When my husband got home

from work, I took an epsom salts bath and slept for an hour and that

made all the difference. Although it must have been a major detox I

was going through because epsom salts baths usually have a huge

positive affect on my skin. Two hours after the bath my skin looked as

though I hadn't had one, but mentally I was much better. I slept well

too. I am feeling much better today thank you...