Re: Re: iodine and hashimoto's

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Hi ,

Here is a site that should give you the info you need.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=53

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Ayers <sweetheart4u21502@...> wrote:

-Hi, Amy!

I haven't written the group for a long time, though I read the

responses of others. Can you or someone else tell me what foods have

copper in them, so I know what to avoid?

Thanks,

Ayers-- In hypothyroidism , " venizia1948 "

<nelsonck@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Amy!

>

> You will find a lot of disagreement here also. I do take

selenium. I

> take 200mcg daily. I do not take iodine or zinc; iodine because of

> the controversy and still not convinced it if the thing to do for

> Hashi folks and zinc, no reason. Just know that if you take zinc

you

> also need to be aware of your copper also.

>

>

> Venizia

>

>

>

> >

> > There seems to be disagreement about whether you should take

iodine

> > supplements if you have Hashimoto's. My doc said to take iodine,

> > selenium and zinc along with Armour. I haven't started iodine

because

> > of the controversy. What do you guys think? Thanks, Amy

> >

>

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why on earth would you want to avoid copper? that would not be safe.

Gracia

-Hi, Amy!

I haven't written the group for a long time, though I read the

responses of others. Can you or someone else tell me what foods have

copper in them, so I know what to avoid?

Thanks,

Ayers-- In hypothyroidism , " venizia1948 "

<nelsonck@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Amy!

>

> You will find a lot of disagreement here also. I do take

selenium. I

> take 200mcg daily. I do not take iodine or zinc; iodine because of

> the controversy and still not convinced it if the thing to do for

> Hashi folks and zinc, no reason. Just know that if you take zinc

you

> also need to be aware of your copper also.

>

>

> Venizia

>

>

>

> >

> > There seems to be disagreement about whether you should take

iodine

> > supplements if you have Hashimoto's. My doc said to take iodine,

> > selenium and zinc along with Armour. I haven't started iodine

because

> > of the controversy. What do you guys think? Thanks, Amy

> >

>

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9:22 AM

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I think too much can be bad. I listened to a big long " sermon " on it. She

said it causes thyroid problems. High levels of copper are toxic. Are you

a copper head? LOL.

cw

-- Re: Re: iodine and hashimoto's

why on earth would you want to avoid copper? that would not be safe.

Gracia

-Hi, Amy!

I haven't written the group for a long time, though I read the

responses of others. Can you or someone else tell me what foods have

copper in them, so I know what to avoid?

Thanks,

Ayers-- In hypothyroidism , " venizia1948 "

<nelsonck@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Amy!

>

> You will find a lot of disagreement here also. I do take

selenium. I

> take 200mcg daily. I do not take iodine or zinc; iodine because of

> the controversy and still not convinced it if the thing to do for

> Hashi folks and zinc, no reason. Just know that if you take zinc

you

> also need to be aware of your copper also.

>

>

> Venizia

>

>

>

> >

> > There seems to be disagreement about whether you should take

iodine

> > supplements if you have Hashimoto's. My doc said to take iodine,

> > selenium and zinc along with Armour. I haven't started iodine

because

> > of the controversy. What do you guys think? Thanks, Amy

> >

>

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yes I'm a copperhead--actually I'm copper all over.

no....the iodine docs recommend copper balanced with zinc, so I take 2mg

copper and 50mg zinc per day.... and 100mg Iodoral.... and magnesium oil rubbed

on. I have to pack all these vitamins and mag oil to take on my trip--acchhh.

will customs think I'm a terrorist with all of my potions?

Gracia

I think too much can be bad. I listened to a big long " sermon " on it. She

said it causes thyroid problems. High levels of copper are toxic. Are you

a copper head? LOL.

cw

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yes I'm a copperhead--actually I'm copper all over.

no....the iodine docs recommend copper balanced with zinc, so I take 2mg

copper and 50mg zinc per day.... and 100mg Iodoral.... and magnesium oil rubbed

on. I have to pack all these vitamins and mag oil to take on my trip--acchhh.

will customs think I'm a terrorist with all of my potions?

Gracia

I think too much can be bad. I listened to a big long " sermon " on it. She

said it causes thyroid problems. High levels of copper are toxic. Are you

a copper head? LOL.

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yes I'm a copperhead--actually I'm copper all over.

no....the iodine docs recommend copper balanced with zinc, so I take 2mg

copper and 50mg zinc per day.... and 100mg Iodoral.... and magnesium oil rubbed

on. I have to pack all these vitamins and mag oil to take on my trip--acchhh.

will customs think I'm a terrorist with all of my potions?

Gracia

I think too much can be bad. I listened to a big long " sermon " on it. She

said it causes thyroid problems. High levels of copper are toxic. Are you

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Just mention the words " potentionally fatal autoimmune

disease " with slight puppy eyes and you'll be all set

to go. I know autoimmune isn't quite your condition

but they don't have to know, lol.

Peace,

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

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> yes I'm a copperhead--actually I'm copper all

> over.

> no....the iodine docs recommend copper balanced

> with zinc, so I take 2mg copper and 50mg zinc per

> day.... and 100mg Iodoral.... and magnesium oil

> rubbed on. I have to pack all these vitamins and

> mag oil to take on my trip--acchhh. will customs

> think I'm a terrorist with all of my potions?

> Gracia

>

> I think too much can be bad. I listened to a big

> long " sermon " on it. She

> said it causes thyroid problems. High levels of

> copper are toxic. Are you

> a copper head? LOL.

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OK I'll try it. I would pay someone to pack my suitcase right now

Gracia

Just mention the words " potentionally fatal autoimmune

disease " with slight puppy eyes and you'll be all set

to go. I know autoimmune isn't quite your condition

but they don't have to know, lol.

Peace,

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> yes I'm a copperhead--actually I'm copper all

> over.

> no....the iodine docs recommend copper balanced

> with zinc, so I take 2mg copper and 50mg zinc per

> day.... and 100mg Iodoral.... and magnesium oil

> rubbed on. I have to pack all these vitamins and

> mag oil to take on my trip--acchhh. will customs

> think I'm a terrorist with all of my potions?

> Gracia

>

> I think too much can be bad. I listened to a big

> long " sermon " on it. She

> said it causes thyroid problems. High levels of

> copper are toxic. Are you

> a copper head? LOL.

> cw

>

>

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Here we go again... If I was you, I would not stop iodine.To lower TPO you should look at LDN, that is a wonderful drug, at a gluten free diet and at TMG (trimethylglycine), this last one is recommended by Dr. Flechas to lower TPO.

Now Foods TMG:http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-TMG-Trimethylglycine-Extra-Strength-1-000-mg-100-Tablets/3344?at=0

From Dr. Flechas Questions and Answers:(iodine/files/20%20Articles%20from%20Clinicians/Flechas/),

4.  How does iodine supplementation affect thyroid antibody levels?

Flechas:  We watched the antibody levels carefully for several years when we first started supplementing with iodine.  We did not notice any changes.  They were essentially stable.  The antibody levels are not a result of iodine.  Iodine actually stabilizes the internal structure of the thyroid gland in both Graves and Hashimoto's.

       Autoimmunity is an effect of methylation -- not iodine levels.  If you increase the methyl groups, the antibodies will drop.  (Gave example of someone with TPOab = 900.  Gave methyl groups (e.g., 1 teaspoon per day of tri-methylglycine).  Antibodies dropped to 100 in one month.  Gave a couple more similar examples.)

Celiac and Hashimoto:*Markers of potential coeliac disease in patients with Hashimoto's

thyroiditis*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11916614Results: In 4 out of 6 such cases, HLA haplotypes were described in

association with CD.CONCLUSION: A significant proportion of patients with Hashimoto'sthyroiditis present signs of 'potential' CD and of activated mucosal T cellimmunity.*Prevalence of thyroid disorders in untreated adult celiac disease patients

and effect of gluten withdrawal: an Italian multicenter study.*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11280546

Results: In most patients who strictly followed a 1-yr gluten withdrawal (asconfirmed by intestinal mucosa recovery), there was a normalization ofsubclinical hypothyroidism.

Take care!.2009/9/25 cunger77 <raffia225@...>>> I was searching the internet to find a supplement list to take with Hashimoto's. The link is:

> http://thyroid-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/iodine_and_hashimotos_thyroiditis>> There information that said, " on the other hand, people with Hashimoto's disease often develop a goitre that can be aggravated by supplementing with additional iodine, especially in large doses.

>> Read more: http://thyroid-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/iodine_and_hashimotos_thyroiditis#ixzz0S7S2imUk

>> I was talking to another natural practicing doctor about my high antiobodies and he said stop taking the iodine--iodine can worsen Hash's.>> So now I don't know if I should just stop taking Iodoral and ATP CoFActor.

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there is a lot of misinformation on iodine and what you have been told

is misinformation. goiter=iodine deficiency! you will need to take

ENOUGH Iodoral to lower antibodies. do you have Brownstein's book on

iodine? http://www.drbrownstein.com

gracia

cunger77 wrote:

>

>

> I was searching the internet to find a supplement list to take with

> Hashimoto's. The link is:

>

http://thyroid-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/iodine_and_hashimotos_thyroidi\

tis

>

<http://thyroid-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/iodine_and_hashimotos_thyroid\

itis>

>

>

> There information that said, " on the other hand, people with

> Hashimoto's disease often develop a goitre that can be aggravated by

> supplementing with additional iodine, especially in large doses.

>

> Read more:

>

http://thyroid-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/iodine_and_hashimotos_thyroidi\

tis#ixzz0S7S2imUk

>

<http://thyroid-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/iodine_and_hashimotos_thyroid\

itis#ixzz0S7S2imUk>

>

> I was talking to another natural practicing doctor about my high

> antiobodies and he said stop taking the iodine--iodine can worsen Hash's.

>

> So now I don't know if I should just stop taking Iodoral and ATP

> CoFActor.

>

>

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That info isn't proven with science. I suspect it is on VERY low doses of iodine which can aggravate. But when supplied in sufficient amount to create the iodolipids the body can create the "breaks" on the burning process.

From Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book.

THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY

Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone). δ- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.

As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids—δ-iodolactone.

Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’ disease.

A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.

Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production.

Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine.

If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.

What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness

The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies against thyroglobulin—anti-thyroglobulin antibodies.

In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes.

How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to iodinate lipids.

2. Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.

3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants.

4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.

5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.

RE: Iodine and Hashimoto's

I was searching the internet to find a supplement list to take with Hashimoto's. The link is: http://thyroid-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/iodine_and_hashimotos_thyroiditis There information that said, "on the other hand, people with Hashimoto's disease often develop a goitre that can be aggravated by supplementing with additional iodine, especially in large doses.Read more: http://thyroid-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/iodine_and_hashimotos_thyroiditis#ixzz0S7S2imUkI was talking to another natural practicing doctor about my high antiobodies and he said stop taking the iodine--iodine can worsen Hash's.So now I don't know if I should just stop taking Iodoral and ATP CoFActor.