Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand. Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Roni, You wrote: > > Gracia, you might want to educate yourself as to why some > people don't write the name of G-d. There is not technical proscription against spelling this out, but there is an ancient Jewish tradition against spelling or pronouncing any form of name for God, just to be sure not to violate the third Commandment about taking that name in vain. This took the most exaggerated form in copying the Tanakh where the name JHVH was replaced by Adonai. The vowels from the latter allowed the proper pronunciation of the former set of consonants. Adonai was translated into English as " Lord. " So, the proper name of God in the OT was changed into " Lord " in English versions. A relatively small fraction of modern Jews extended the practice of leaving out the vowels to the word " God, " even though this is technically a capitalization of a generic noun rather than a true proper name. Again, it is to avoid even the possibility of violating the Commandment. Out of misguided respect for this small group, some other PC thinkers also leave out the vowel, although the practice is really intended only to keep the observant from violating the Commandment. It does not really matter to them if others, particularly non-observant Christians, spell it normally. Happy N-w Y--r, everyone. Chuck --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Roni, You wrote: > > > You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it > > does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is > > G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand. > Sure, the implication is at least disrespectful for all religions, as is the mere act of attempting to make a joke out of the subject. That wasn't me, BTW, although I may have carried with a header. Curiously, the etymology of this word is unknown. It was in use, at least as a generic noun, in Old English, Anglo Saxon, and other Teutonic languages, including Old High German. It has been theorized to be connected to Sanskrit, hu, " to implore, invoke, or call upon. " In Persian this became Khoda; in Hindu, Khooda, but there the trail runs cold. Perhaps the Persian empire spread it into Europe, along with the connotation of " who is implored, invoked, or called upon. " At any rate, it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 hey that is just plain silly to think that God spelled backwards is dog is disrepectful to all religions---yikes. how completely crazy can we get? Gracia Roni, You wrote: > > > You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it > > does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is > > G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand. > Sure, the implication is at least disrespectful for all religions, as is the mere act of attempting to make a joke out of the subject. That wasn't me, BTW, although I may have carried with a header. Curiously, the etymology of this word is unknown. It was in use, at least as a generic noun, in Old English, Anglo Saxon, and other Teutonic languages, including Old High German. It has been theorized to be connected to Sanskrit, hu, " to implore, invoke, or call upon. " In Persian this became Khoda; in Hindu, Khooda, but there the trail runs cold. Perhaps the Persian empire spread it into Europe, along with the connotation of " who is implored, invoked, or called upon. " At any rate, it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: 12/31/2007 3:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 At this point, it is interesting to learn the origins of things, but for me it works. I know you had nothing to do with saying what was said. Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Roni, You wrote: > > > You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it > > does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is > > G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand. > Sure, the implication is at least disrespectful for all religions, as is the mere act of attempting to make a joke out of the subject. That wasn't me, BTW, although I may have carried with a header. Curiously, the etymology of this word is unknown. It was in use, at least as a generic noun, in Old English, Anglo Saxon, and other Teutonic languages, including Old High German. It has been theorized to be connected to Sanskrit, hu, " to implore, invoke, or call upon. " In Persian this became Khoda; in Hindu, Khooda, but there the trail runs cold. Perhaps the Persian empire spread it into Europe, along with the connotation of " who is implored, invoked, or called upon. " At any rate, it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture. Chuck --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 You know Gracia, if you don't understand it there is no use in trying to explain it to you. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hey that is just plain silly to think that God spelled backwards is dog is disrepectful to all religions---yikes. how completely crazy can we get? Gracia Roni, You wrote: > > > You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it > > does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is > > G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand. > Sure, the implication is at least disrespectful for all religions, as is the mere act of attempting to make a joke out of the subject. That wasn't me, BTW, although I may have carried with a header. Curiously, the etymology of this word is unknown. It was in use, at least as a generic noun, in Old English, Anglo Saxon, and other Teutonic languages, including Old High German. It has been theorized to be connected to Sanskrit, hu, " to implore, invoke, or call upon. " In Persian this became Khoda; in Hindu, Khooda, but there the trail runs cold. Perhaps the Persian empire spread it into Europe, along with the connotation of " who is implored, invoked, or called upon. " At any rate, it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture. Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: 12/31/2007 3:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Chuck wrote: " At any rate, it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture. " 1) 'scripture' if you are referring to the Hebrew Bible, was written in HEBREW. God's name there, in the Torah scroll, is a 4 letter (tetra - grammaton) word consisting of the Hebrew letters yud-hey-vah-hey. It's not pronounced today, as written, because a) only the High Priest uttered the name and only in the Holy of Holies spot in the Holy Temple and only on Yom Kippur on behalf of the people, and we no longer know HOW to pronounce it, since the Temple's destruction. So in Hebrew, a different word is substituted for it. We don't utter God's name, therefore. Other languages' " translations " (e.g. God, Gott (German), Dieu, Dios, etc...) are not God's name. God's name is that unpronounceable 4 letter word as it appears in the Torah scroll in Hebrew. 2) BUT... more importantly: I fail to understand why, on a list on hypothyroidism, there is ANY discussion of theology or religion. It seems to me to be inappropriate. I'd appreciate it if we kept to the topic. Thanks, Ilana nsky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 thanks for this wonderful explanation, Ilana, I love it. I personally like the freedom to discuss anything here---it's surprising what ppl know. Off topic always fizzles out on it's own. Gracia Chuck wrote: " At any rate, it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture. " 1) 'scripture' if you are referring to the Hebrew Bible, was written in HEBREW. God's name there, in the Torah scroll, is a 4 letter (tetra - grammaton) word consisting of the Hebrew letters yud-hey-vah-hey. It's not pronounced today, as written, because a) only the High Priest uttered the name and only in the Holy of Holies spot in the Holy Temple and only on Yom Kippur on behalf of the people, and we no longer know HOW to pronounce it, since the Temple's destruction. So in Hebrew, a different word is substituted for it. We don't utter God's name, therefore. Other languages' " translations " (e.g. God, Gott (German), Dieu, Dios, etc...) are not God's name. God's name is that unpronounceable 4 letter word as it appears in the Torah scroll in Hebrew. 2) BUT... more importantly: I fail to understand why, on a list on hypothyroidism, there is ANY discussion of theology or religion. It seems to me to be inappropriate. I'd appreciate it if we kept to the topic. Thanks, Ilana nsky ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I agree with that! Gracia You know Gracia, if you don't understand it there is no use in trying to explain it to you. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hey that is just plain silly to think that God spelled backwards is dog is disrepectful to all religions---yikes. how completely crazy can we get? Gracia Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Resources on Find answers, help and support. Healthy Eating Find that are focused on healthy eating. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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