Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Valarie, You wrote: > ... The journal where this posting is done is not an accepted journal. It is > sponsored by various alternative companies (Optimox) and has > links for sales from those sites.... The Original Internist is not really even a journal, but a magazine for chiropractors. None of the articles are peer reviewed, and they do not report original research, only opinion. We have posted lots of contrary information, including peer reviewed, archival forums, in the past. These are in the list archives. I just get tired of repeating it. Thanks for helping. Iodine may be the greatest thing since chopped nuts, a cure-all, as Gracia claims. However, we are still waiting for a SINGLE peer reviewed, double blind, study that supports any of the claims. If it is as effective as all the people working for Optimox claim, surely some credible researcher would have investigated at least some small aspect of those claims. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Chuck Even ordinary healthy with non deficient Thyroid can safely be on Iodine Lugol's on daily basis?without any side effects or damage to kidneys?What's the right iodine dosage (the right concentration)taken as a preparation.Thanks.Roseanne. Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Valarie, You wrote: > ... The journal where this posting is done is not an accepted journal. It is > sponsored by various alternative companies (Optimox) and has > links for sales from those sites.... The Original Internist is not really even a journal, but a magazine for chiropractors. None of the articles are peer reviewed, and they do not report original research, only opinion. We have posted lots of contrary information, including peer reviewed, archival forums, in the past. These are in the list archives. I just get tired of repeating it. Thanks for helping. Iodine may be the greatest thing since chopped nuts, a cure-all, as Gracia claims. However, we are still waiting for a SINGLE peer reviewed, double blind, study that supports any of the claims. If it is as effective as all the people working for Optimox claim, surely some credible researcher would have investigated at least some small aspect of those claims. Chuck --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Roseanne, You wrote: > Even ordinary healthy with non deficient Thyroid can safely be on Iodine > Lugol's on daily basis?without any side effects or damage to > kidneys?What's the right iodine dosage (the right concentration)taken as > a preparation. There is no " right " dosage. There is controversy over whether you should take any at all. The RDA is 0.150 mg. If you take more than that, you should recognize that you are effectively performing an experiment on yourself. The peer reviewed literature and widely publicized safety recommendations say that a percentage of the population will start to have potentially life threatening sensitivity reactions at less than about 3 mg per day. If you take that much and do not have a reaction, then you are probably safe to take more. However, the same literature has documented that chronic exposures between 10 and 100 mg per day can eventually induce a sensitivity reaction. So, if you decide to follow Optimox and take more, you might want to study the possible reactions that could develop further down the road. Here is a Material Safety Data Sheet on Lugol's, although it does not tell you much, only that an MSDS is required: http://www.jcrows.com/lugolsmsds.html Again, there is NO DOCUMENTED empirical evidence of any health benefit at the level recommended by the doctors working for Optimox, just their opinions. The good news is that there is also little evidence of harm to people that do not have the sensitivity. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 OY yes there is a therapeutic dosage--12.5mg iodine/iodide ininimum. Iodoral is really hugely powerful IMO and experience with it. Who would pay for the research on iodine? since it can't be patented. why do we ignore the way it used to be used, as the universal medicine? what effect does bromide and flouride exposure have on iodine status? All the stuff I take--Armour thyroid, cortef, sex hormones, iodine---none of it is used by mainstream allopathic docs. what do most docs use? the meds from big pharma that are marketed to them. this is disease maintenance not health care--nobody wants it and we cannot afford it. Gracia Roseanne, You wrote: > Even ordinary healthy with non deficient Thyroid can safely be on Iodine > Lugol's on daily basis?without any side effects or damage to > kidneys?What's the right iodine dosage (the right concentration)taken as > a preparation. There is no " right " dosage. There is controversy over whether you should take any at all. The RDA is 0.150 mg. If you take more than that, you should recognize that you are effectively performing an experiment on yourself. The peer reviewed literature and widely publicized safety recommendations say that a percentage of the population will start to have potentially life threatening sensitivity reactions at less than about 3 mg per day. If you take that much and do not have a reaction, then you are probably safe to take more. However, the same literature has documented that chronic exposures between 10 and 100 mg per day can eventually induce a sensitivity reaction. So, if you decide to follow Optimox and take more, you might want to study the possible reactions that could develop further down the road. Here is a Material Safety Data Sheet on Lugol's, although it does not tell you much, only that an MSDS is required: http://www.jcrows.com/lugolsmsds.html Again, there is NO DOCUMENTED empirical evidence of any health benefit at the level recommended by the doctors working for Optimox, just their opinions. The good news is that there is also little evidence of harm to people that do not have the sensitivity. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 9:39 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Gracia, You wrote: > > > yes there is a therapeutic dosage--12.5mg iodine/iodide ininimum. Again, that is what Optimox, the major supplier of Iodoral, recommends. They have a commercial interest in selling iodine. As I said before, there is no scientifically documented reason to think this is remotely close to being a correct amount. Again, any more than the RDA is effectively an unsupervised experiment you perform with your own health at stake. The paper in which this dose is explained is based on a miscalculation of Japanese consumption of kelp, which made an order of magnitude error by confusing dry with wet kelp. The discussion of that gross error is also in our archives. Even after the mistake was pointed out to them, Optimox continues to recommend this as a minimum dose. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 chuck i am giving my mini schnauzers 6.25mg Iodoral--holding a big baby right now. gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > > yes there is a therapeutic dosage--12.5mg iodine/iodide ininimum. Again, that is what Optimox, the major supplier of Iodoral, recommends. They have a commercial interest in selling iodine. As I said before, there is no scientifically documented reason to think this is remotely close to being a correct amount. Again, any more than the RDA is effectively an unsupervised experiment you perform with your own health at stake. The paper in which this dose is explained is based on a miscalculation of Japanese consumption of kelp, which made an order of magnitude error by confusing dry with wet kelp. The discussion of that gross error is also in our archives. Even after the mistake was pointed out to them, Optimox continues to recommend this as a minimum dose. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 This is an alternative health forum and I'm pretty sure that most of us here realize how useless the RDA's are for most nutrients. In fact the majority of the RDA's are set at a level to prevent illness, not at a level to promote ideal health. RDA's are most of the time set way too low for optimal health. I have little to no faith in the RDA set for iodine as well as many other nutrients. Most with any knowledge in alternative health would agree with me on this issue. Again, any more than the RDA is > effectively an unsupervised experiment you perform with your own health > at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 agreed! I have been taking 100mg iodine/iodide and ATP cofactors with it (100mg B2 and 1000mg niacinamide). I am quite surprised at how it works. This is the future of medicine. gracia This is an alternative health forum and I'm pretty sure that most of us here realize how useless the RDA's are for most nutrients. In fact the majority of the RDA's are set at a level to prevent illness, not at a level to promote ideal health. RDA's are most of the time set way too low for optimal health. I have little to no faith in the RDA set for iodine as well as many other nutrients. Most with any knowledge in alternative health would agree with me on this issue. Again, any more than the RDA is > effectively an unsupervised experiment you perform with your own health > at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Why are people taking iodine? I have Hashimoto's. Are you taking it while on meds prescribed for your thyroid? Are you hyper or hypo? Chuck said I might have a conversion problem and I'm wondering if this is why people use iodine or if they use it in place of their meds. In a message dated 5/3/2008 11:59:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, circe@... writes: agreed! I have been taking 100mg iodine/iodide and ATP cofactors with it (100mg B2 and 1000mg niacinamide). I am quite surprised at how it works. This is the future of medicine. gracia This is an alternative health forum and I'm pretty sure that most of us here realize how useless the RDA's are for most nutrients. In fact the majority of the RDA's are set at a level to prevent illness, not at a level to promote ideal health. RDA's are most of the time set way too low for optimal health. I have little to no faith in the RDA set for iodine as well as many other nutrients. Most with any knowledge in alternative health would agree with me on this issue. Again, any more than the RDA is > effectively an unsupervised experiment you perform with your own health > at stake. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send blank message to: hypothyroidism-unsubscribe Web Sites: Curing Protocol: http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=842 Forum: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=25 Books: http://curezone.com/books/best/categoryx.asp?CAT=842 Cleansing: http://curezone.com/cleanse/ Liver Flush: http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/ Foods: http://CureZone.com/foods/ Diet: http://CureZone.com/diet/ Teeth: http://curezone.com/dental/ change status to digest: hypothyroidism-digest change to normal: hypothyroidism-normal To subscribe: hypothyroidism-subscribe Have a nice day ! Links **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 I might be the only one on here taking iodine http://www.optimox.com I am taking it b/c I seem to really need it and if I had been given it as a child I could have avoided thyroid probs. now I also need Armour thyroid 240mg. Gracia Why are people taking iodine? I have Hashimoto's. Are you taking it while on meds prescribed for your thyroid? Are you hyper or hypo? Chuck said I might have a conversion problem and I'm wondering if this is why people use iodine or if they use it in place of their meds. In a message dated 5/3/2008 11:59:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, circe@... writes: agreed! I have been taking 100mg iodine/iodide and ATP cofactors with it (100mg B2 and 1000mg niacinamide). I am quite surprised at how it works. This is the future of medicine. gracia This is an alternative health forum and I'm pretty sure that most of us here realize how useless the RDA's are for most nutrients. In fact the majority of the RDA's are set at a level to prevent illness, not at a level to promote ideal health. RDA's are most of the time set way too low for optimal health. I have little to no faith in the RDA set for iodine as well as many other nutrients. Most with any knowledge in alternative health would agree with me on this issue. Again, any more than the RDA is > effectively an unsupervised experiment you perform with your own health > at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Thanks everyone for the info on the iodine. I think I'll pass on trying it if there are any reports saying it's bad for Hashi's. In a message dated 5/4/2008 6:09:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dusty@... writes: Please read about this on valid medical sites or in the library medical section before considering iodine treatment. Dusty _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of tyblossom@... Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:28 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: investigate iodine Why are people taking iodine? I have Hashimoto's. Are you taking it while on meds prescribed for your thyroid? Are you hyper or hypo? Chuck said I might have a conversion problem and I'm wondering if this is why people use iodine or if they use it in place of their meds. In a message dated 5/3/2008 11:59:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> writes: agreed! I have been taking 100mg iodine/iodide and ATP cofactors with it (100mg B2 and 1000mg niacinamide). I am quite surprised at how it works. This is the future of medicine. gracia This is an alternative health forum and I'm pretty sure that most of us here realize how useless the RDA's are for most nutrients. In fact the majority of the RDA's are set at a level to prevent illness, not at a level to promote ideal health. RDA's are most of the time set way too low for optimal health. I have little to no faith in the RDA set for iodine as well as many other nutrients. Most with any knowledge in alternative health would agree with me on this issue. Again, any more than the RDA is > effectively an unsupervised experiment you perform with your own health > at stake. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send blank message to: hypothyroidism- <mailto:hypothyroidism-unsubscribe%40> unsubscribe Web Sites: Curing Protocol: http://curezone. <http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=842> com/dis/1.asp?C0=842 Forum: http://curezone. <http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=25> com/forums/f.asp?f=25 Books: http://curezone. <http://curezone.com/books/best/categoryx.asp?CAT=842> com/books/best/categoryx.asp?CAT=842 Cleansing: http://curezone. <http://curezone.com/cleanse/> com/cleanse/ Liver Flush: http://curezone. <http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/> com/cleanse/liver/ Foods: http://CureZone. <http://CureZone.com/foods/> com/foods/ Diet: http://CureZone. <http://CureZone.com/diet/> com/diet/ Teeth: http://curezone. <http://curezone.com/dental/> com/dental/ change status to digest: hypothyroidism- <mailto:hypothyroidism-digest%40> digest change to normal: hypothyroidism- <mailto:hypothyroidism-normal%40> normal To subscribe: hypothyroidism- <mailto:hypothyroidism-subscribe%40> subscribe Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 tyblossom@... wrote: > > > Why are people taking iodine? I have Hashimoto's. Are you taking it > while on > meds prescribed for your thyroid? Are you hyper or hypo? Chuck said I might > have a conversion problem and I'm wondering if this is why people use > iodine > or if they use it in place of their meds. They are taking it in addition to thyroid meds for hypoT. The temporary reduction in thyroid output from iodine is still used to prepare for some types of surgery. Although some organs do " concentrate " or hold iodine, most of it goes to the thyroid, much more than anywhere else. The iodine in a replacement dose of levothyroxine is roughly equal to the RDA for iodine, so there is not a shred of scientific evidence that iodine beyond that is of any nutritional value whatsoever. The therapeutic effects of such overdosing are equally speculative, while the adverse, even life threating, effects on a small percentage have been very well documented. One of these is that iodine seems to trigger autoimmune activity in Hashimoto's. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 !!!!!! read Dr.Brownstein's books http://www.drbrownstein.com he uses high dose iodine/iodide to TREAT hashis. gracia They are taking it in addition to thyroid meds for hypoT. The temporary reduction in thyroid output from iodine is still used to prepare for some types of surgery. Although some organs do " concentrate " or hold iodine, most of it goes to the thyroid, much more than anywhere else. The iodine in a replacement dose of levothyroxine is roughly equal to the RDA for iodine, so there is not a shred of scientific evidence that iodine beyond that is of any nutritional value whatsoever. The therapeutic effects of such overdosing are equally speculative, while the adverse, even life threating, effects on a small percentage have been very well documented. One of these is that iodine seems to trigger autoimmune activity in Hashimoto's. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1414 - Release Date: 5/4/2008 12:31 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Please read about this on valid medical sites or in the library medical section before considering iodine treatment. Dusty _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of tyblossom@... Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:28 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: investigate iodine Why are people taking iodine? I have Hashimoto's. Are you taking it while on meds prescribed for your thyroid? Are you hyper or hypo? Chuck said I might have a conversion problem and I'm wondering if this is why people use iodine or if they use it in place of their meds. In a message dated 5/3/2008 11:59:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> writes: agreed! I have been taking 100mg iodine/iodide and ATP cofactors with it (100mg B2 and 1000mg niacinamide). I am quite surprised at how it works. This is the future of medicine. gracia This is an alternative health forum and I'm pretty sure that most of us here realize how useless the RDA's are for most nutrients. In fact the majority of the RDA's are set at a level to prevent illness, not at a level to promote ideal health. RDA's are most of the time set way too low for optimal health. I have little to no faith in the RDA set for iodine as well as many other nutrients. Most with any knowledge in alternative health would agree with me on this issue. Again, any more than the RDA is > effectively an unsupervised experiment you perform with your own health > at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Gracia, You wrote: > > read Dr.Brownstein's books... > > he uses high dose iodine/iodide to TREAT hashis. > Sure. Brownstein works for Optimox. We have previously flooded the list with peer reviewed literature showing that iodine triggers or aggravates Hashimoto's. You have yet to post a single bit of literature that supports Brownstein's claims. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 tyblossom@... wrote: > > > Thanks everyone for the info on the iodine. I think I'll pass on trying it > if there are any reports saying it's bad for Hashi's. There are many that were posted in our archives. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Gracia, You wrote: > > read Dr.Brownstein's books... > > he uses high dose iodine/iodide to TREAT hashis. > Sure. Brownstein works for Optimox. We have previously flooded the list with peer reviewed literature showing that iodine triggers or aggravates Hashimoto's. You have yet to post a single bit of literature that supports Brownstein's claims. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 there really is nothing to my knowledge except the stuff on http://www.optimox.com which you diss. Brownsein does not work for optimox--he works for himself. The iodine docs--Brownstein, Flechas http://www.helpmythyroid.com and Abrams do put on a conference every year and one might be coming up. these docs are the innovators--not the sheeple on iodine list there are LOTS of hashis ppl taking high dose iodine. gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > read Dr.Brownstein's books... > > he uses high dose iodine/iodide to TREAT hashis. > Sure. Brownstein works for Optimox. We have previously flooded the list with peer reviewed literature showing that iodine triggers or aggravates Hashimoto's. You have yet to post a single bit of literature that supports Brownstein's claims. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Gracia, You wrote: > > there really is nothing to my knowledge except the stuff on http://www.optimox.com which you diss. Brownsein does not work for optimox--he works for himself.... I suppose there is truth to that, in the sense that Brownstein practices in Michigan, while Optimox is on the west coast. However, on the official Optimox list of research papers: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml , Brownstein is listed as author or co-author on five papers, all published in the Original Internist, the Clint Publications chiropractic magazine that fronts for Optimox, with Abraham and Flechas as co-authors. Since none of these articles are peer reviewed nor are they based on controlled research, that suggests that the co-authors must be working together in some other mode than in a scientific collaboration. Optimox also sells his books, his only other type of publication, also not reviewed: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Iodoral.htm Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Gracia, You wrote: > > there really is nothing to my knowledge except the stuff on http://www.optimox.com which you diss. Brownsein does not work for optimox--he works for himself.... I suppose there is truth to that, in the sense that Brownstein practices in Michigan, while Optimox is on the west coast. However, on the official Optimox list of research papers: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml , Brownstein is listed as author or co-author on five papers, all published in the Original Internist, the Clint Publications chiropractic magazine that fronts for Optimox, with Abraham and Flechas as co-authors. Since none of these articles are peer reviewed nor are they based on controlled research, that suggests that the co-authors must be working together in some other mode than in a scientific collaboration. Optimox also sells his books, his only other type of publication, also not reviewed: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Iodoral.htm Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 According to some it's the greatest thing since peanut butter, healing everything from cancer to hypothyroidism. To others the way some recommend its use is simply quack medicine; and the levels recommended are far into the toxic level. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between. Be very careful, as there are no credible studies supporting most of the recommended alternative ideas. > > Re: investigate iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/38214;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbzJjcDN\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzgyMTQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwOTk4Mjc2OA--> > > > > Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@... > <mailto:tyblossom@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20investigate%20iodine> > tyblossom <tyblossom> > > > Sun May 4, 2008 6:28 am (PDT) > > Why are people taking iodine? I have Hashimoto's. Are you taking it > while on > meds prescribed for your thyroid? Are you hyper or hypo? Chuck said I > might > have a conversion problem and I'm wondering if this is why people use > iodine > or if they use it in place of their meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 I don't know whether there's more credible support for Brownstein's idea that the earth is only 6000 years old than there is for his idea that iodine cures so many things. I rather suspect that the scientific support is about equal. > > Re: investigate iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/38218;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdTI2dGR\ pBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzgyMTgEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwOTk4Mjc2OA--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20investigate%20iodine> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Sun May 4, 2008 2:39 pm (PDT) > > > !!!!!! > read Dr.Brownstein' > s books http://www.drbrownstein.com <http://www.drbrownstein.com> > > he uses high dose iodine/iodide to TREAT hashis. > > gracia > > They are taking it in addition to thyroid meds for hypoT. The temporary > reduction in thyroid output from iodine is still used to prepare for > some types of surgery. Although some organs do " concentrate " or hold > iodine, most of it goes to the thyroid, much more than anywhere else. > > The iodine in a replacement dose of levothyroxine is roughly equal to > the RDA for iodine, so there is not a shred of scientific evidence that > iodine beyond that is of any nutritional value whatsoever. The > therapeutic effects of such overdosing are equally speculative, while > the adverse, even life threating, effects on a small percentage have > been very well documented. One of these is that iodine seems to trigger > autoimmune activity in Hashimoto's. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 You'd think that between the three of them, PhD's all, they would be able to come up with at least ONE properly conducted research paper to support their ideas. But don't hold your breath. Non-sheeple, or quacks??? You take your choice. > > Re: investigate iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/38224;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbTZ1NDV\ hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzgyMjQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwOTk4Mjc2OA--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20investigate%20iodine> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Sun May 4, 2008 5:33 pm (PDT) > > > there really is nothing to my knowledge except the stuff on > http://www.optimox.com <http://www.optimox.com> which you diss. > Brownsein does not work for optimox--he works for himself. The iodine > docs--Brownstein, Flechas http://www.helpmythyroid.com > <http://www.helpmythyroid.com> and Abrams do put on a conference every > year and one might be coming up. these docs are the innovators-- > not the sheeple on iodine list there are LOTS of hashis ppl taking > high dose iodine. > gracia > > Gracia, > > You wrote: > > > > read Dr.Brownstein's books... > > > > he uses high dose iodine/iodide to TREAT hashis. > > > > Sure. Brownstein works for Optimox. We have previously flooded the list > with peer reviewed literature showing that iodine triggers or aggravates > Hashimoto's. You have yet to post a single bit of literature that > supports Brownstein's claims. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 , I do not think you can generalize alternative methods. After all look how many mainsteam doctors are no longer poo hooing acupuncture. I am not a proponent of iodine but I do think along with other alternative medicine, we are and the doctors are going to come to terms that yes, maybe this stuff does work. Don't know about iodine but other methods, yes. At least I hope so because with many of the illnesses I have had along the way, I am not confident with the methods being used in mainstream medicine. Venizia > > According to some it's the greatest thing since peanut butter, healing > everything from cancer to hypothyroidism. To others the way some > recommend its use is simply quack medicine; and the levels recommended > are far into the toxic level. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in > between. Be very careful, as there are no credible studies supporting > most of the recommended alternative ideas. > > > > > > > Re: investigate iodine > > <hypothyroidism/message/38214;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbzJjcDN\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzgyMTQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwOTk4Mjc2OA--> > > > > > > > > Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@... > > <mailto:tyblossom@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20investigate%20iodine> > > tyblossom <tyblossom> > > > > > > Sun May 4, 2008 6:28 am (PDT) > > > > Why are people taking iodine? I have Hashimoto's. Are you taking it > > while on > > meds prescribed for your thyroid? Are you hyper or hypo? Chuck said I > > might > > have a conversion problem and I'm wondering if this is why people use > > iodine > > or if they use it in place of their meds. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Gracia remind me how much iodine you take please? cw -- Re: investigate iodine I don't know whether there's more credible support for Brownstein's idea that the earth is only 6000 years old than there is for his idea that iodine cures so many things. I rather suspect that the scientific support is about equal. > > Re: investigate iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/38218 _ylc=X3oDMTJxdTI2dGRpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw DIEbXNnSWQDMzgyMTgEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwOTk4Mjc2OA--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20investigate%20iodine> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Sun May 4, 2008 2:39 pm (PDT) > > > !!!!!! > read Dr.Brownstein' > s books http://www.drbrownstein.com <http://www.drbrownstein.com> > > he uses high dose iodine/iodide to TREAT hashis. > > gracia > > They are taking it in addition to thyroid meds for hypoT. The temporary > reduction in thyroid output from iodine is still used to prepare for > some types of surgery. Although some organs do " concentrate " or hold > iodine, most of it goes to the thyroid, much more than anywhere else. > > The iodine in a replacement dose of levothyroxine is roughly equal to > the RDA for iodine, so there is not a shred of scientific evidence that > iodine beyond that is of any nutritional value whatsoever. The > therapeutic effects of such overdosing are equally speculative, while > the adverse, even life threating, effects on a small percentage have > been very well documented. One of these is that iodine seems to trigger > autoimmune activity in Hashimoto's. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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