Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

[Guest guest]

Julyette,

He charges $210 per visit to prescribe supplements sold by a company he

himself owns. You have not gotten better seeing him three times since

October. If that is not enough evidence, probably nothing any of us can

say will convince you.

However, you should know that the state charges against him involved

quite a bit more than failing to keep proper patient records:

http://www.circare.org/pd/rindmdorder_20001220.pdf

Chuck

> I have an appt. with Dr. Rind is 9:30 am tomorrow morning! Does anyone

> have any information or experience or insights with Dr. Bruce Rind that

> you can share with me? I don't know if I should go to the appt. or

> cancel it and find someone else? Please share your thought with me.

[Guest guest]

I don't know anything about Dr. Rind other than his thyroid test

result charts (on his website) are very helpful, and most of what he

has you on seem to be standard supplements that other doctors

prescribe, although granted from other sources. And if you have

a " broken down " system, it can take forever to get better, not just

3 months. Also, it's tough to find good doctors who will try to find

and treat the cause of autoimmune disfunction, rather than just

treat the symptoms.

However! If you don't trust him I would not recommend seeing him.

You don't need MORE stress, you need to have a positive good feeling

about your experience with him, and also you need to feel positive

about the supplements/meds you are taking in order to heal.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help, as I know how hard it is to find

good trustworthy competent doctors!

Marla

I have an appt. with Dr. Rind is 9:30 am tomorrow morning! Does

anyone have any information or experience or insights with Dr. Bruce

Rind that you can share with me? I don't know if I should go to the

appt. or cancel it and find someone else? Please share your thought

with me.

> Thanks.

> Julyette

>

>

>

>

> Julyette Clifton

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

that is amazing that the state of land is stepping up to the plate because

in the past they were known to not take any action against a Physician unless

they killed someone. and even then it had to very egregious.

From: Chuck B

Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:31 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

Julyette,

He charges $210 per visit to prescribe supplements sold by a company he

himself owns. You have not gotten better seeing him three times since

October. If that is not enough evidence, probably nothing any of us can

say will convince you.

However, you should know that the state charges against him involved

quite a bit more than failing to keep proper patient records:

http://www.circare.org/pd/rindmdorder_20001220.pdf

Chuck

> I have an appt. with Dr. Rind is 9:30 am tomorrow morning! Does anyone

> have any information or experience or insights with Dr. Bruce Rind that

> you can share with me? I don't know if I should go to the appt. or

> cancel it and find someone else? Please share your thought with me.

[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone,

I appreciate all of the information and advice given to me regarding Dr. Bruce

Rind. Chuck, special thanks to you for the legal documentation explaining all

that he was charged with. I do not trust him and I am uncomfortable with the

supplements that he prescribes from his own company. While I am feeling awful,

part of my healing is to find a reputable doctor I can trust. Thank you.

Peace and blessings,

Julyette

Julyette Clifton

[Guest guest]

There are some indications on the net that he is considered a quack; but

I don't know by how many. I also do not know if it's the same Bruce

Rind, but a person by that name apparently has published material

suggesting that adults having sex with children is not harmful and

should be made legal. The methodology of the reported paper is

apparently full of flaws. See quote below:

Quote:

THE AMERICAN Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin released

a study of 59 other studies last year that concluded that college

students who had been sexually abused as kids were ``slightly less well

adjusted'' than other college kids. Authors Bruce Rind,

Tromovitch and Bauserman urged psychologists not to assume that

sex between nonrelated adults and minors is abusive, as children often

deem the experience to be positive. ``In short,'' they wrote, ``the

self- reported effects data do not support the assumption of wide-scale

psychological harm from CSA (child sexual abuse).''

The authors want to dump the term ``child sexual abuse'' when children

consent to sex with adults. Better, the three argue, to call such

relations ``adult-adolescent sex.'' Or when the ``willing encounter with

positive reactions'' involves a 9-year-old and an adult, call it

``simply adult-child sex, a value neutral term.''

End of quote.

The simple fact is that for someone to sell you the product they

recommend as a physician is so much an obvious conflict of interest that

it is avoided by the vast majority of reputable physicians.

> Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

>

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> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Tue Apr 1, 2008 4:49 pm (PDT)

>

> Julyette,

>

> He charges $210 per visit to prescribe supplements sold by a company he

> himself owns. You have not gotten better seeing him three times since

> October. If that is not enough evidence, probably nothing any of us can

> say will convince you.

>

> However, you should know that the state charges against him involved

> quite a bit more than failing to keep proper patient records:

>

> http://www.circare.org/pd/rindmdorder_20001220.pdf

> <http://www.circare.org/pd/rindmdorder_20001220.pdf>

>

> Chuck

>

> > I have an appt. with Dr. Rind is 9:30 am tomorrow morning! Does anyone

> > have any information or experience or insights with Dr. Bruce Rind that

> > you can share with me? I don't know if I should go to the appt. or

> > cancel it and find someone else? Please share your thought with me.

[Guest guest]

After reading the report that Chuck sent I personally would place him in

the 100% quack list. Twelve out of 13 randomly chosen patients received

totally incompetent quack treatment in that report.

>

> Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

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> Posted by: " flatwoodfarms " marlum@...

>

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> flatwoodfarms <flatwoodfarms>

>

>

> Tue Apr 1, 2008 6:05 pm (PDT)

>

> I don't know anything about Dr. Rind other than his thyroid test

> result charts (on his website) are very helpful, and most of what he

> has you on seem to be standard supplements that other doctors

> prescribe, although granted from other sources. And if you have

> a " broken down " system, it can take forever to get better, not just

> 3 months. Also, it's tough to find good doctors who will try to find

> and treat the cause of autoimmune disfunction, rather than just

> treat the symptoms.

> However! If you don't trust him I would not recommend seeing him.

> You don't need MORE stress, you need to have a positive good feeling

> about your experience with him, and also you need to feel positive

> about the supplements/

> meds you are taking in order to heal.

> Sorry I couldn't be of more help, as I know how hard it is to find

> good trustworthy competent doctors!

>

> Marla

>

> I have an appt. with Dr. Rind is 9:30 am tomorrow morning! Does

> anyone have any information or experience or insights with Dr. Bruce

> Rind that you can share with me? I don't know if I should go to the

> appt. or cancel it and find someone else? Please share your thought

> with me.

> > Thanks.

> > Julyette

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Julyette Clifton

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> THE AMERICAN Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin released

> a study of 59 other studies last year that concluded that college

> students who had been sexually abused as kids were ``slightly less well

> adjusted'' than other college kids. Authors Bruce Rind,

> Tromovitch and Bauserman urged psychologists not to assume that

> sex between nonrelated adults and minors is abusive, as children often

> deem the experience to be positive....

Different guy. This one is in the Psychology Department at Temple

University in Philadelphia. He has a Ph.D. in psychology. Our Dr. Rind

is an M.D., board certified in anesthesiology, in Washington, D.C.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

he is BC in anesthesiology but he is practicing endocrinology?? does he have any

training in internal medicine/ endo at all?

From: Chuck B

Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:31 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

,

You wrote:

>

> THE AMERICAN Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin released

> a study of 59 other studies last year that concluded that college

> students who had been sexually abused as kids were ``slightly less well

> adjusted'' than other college kids. Authors Bruce Rind,

> Tromovitch and Bauserman urged psychologists not to assume that

> sex between nonrelated adults and minors is abusive, as children often

> deem the experience to be positive....

Different guy. This one is in the Psychology Department at Temple

University in Philadelphia. He has a Ph.D. in psychology. Our Dr. Rind

is an M.D., board certified in anesthesiology, in Washington, D.C.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

nancie barnett wrote:

>

> he is BC in anesthesiology but he is practicing endocrinology?? does he

> have any training in internal medicine/ endo at all?

Not that I could see. I was just distinguishing him from the

psychologist advocating sexual abuse of children.

Chuck

>

> From: Chuck B

> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:31 PM

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > THE AMERICAN Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin released

> > a study of 59 other studies last year that concluded that college

> > students who had been sexually abused as kids were ``slightly less well

> > adjusted'' than other college kids. Authors Bruce Rind,

> > Tromovitch and Bauserman urged psychologists not to assume that

> > sex between nonrelated adults and minors is abusive, as children often

> > deem the experience to be positive....

>

> Different guy. This one is in the Psychology Department at Temple

> University in Philadelphia. He has a Ph.D. in psychology. Our Dr. Rind

> is an M.D., board certified in anesthesiology, in Washington, D.C.

>

> Chuck

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes I know. but no one should go to him if he doesn't have any additional

training in at least IM, let alone endo. god help his patients.

From: Chuck B

Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:15 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

nancie barnett wrote:

>

> he is BC in anesthesiology but he is practicing endocrinology?? does he

> have any training in internal medicine/ endo at all?

Not that I could see. I was just distinguishing him from the

psychologist advocating sexual abuse of children.

Chuck

>

> From: Chuck B

> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:31 PM

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > THE AMERICAN Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin released

> > a study of 59 other studies last year that concluded that college

> > students who had been sexually abused as kids were ``slightly less well

> > adjusted'' than other college kids. Authors Bruce Rind,

> > Tromovitch and Bauserman urged psychologists not to assume that

> > sex between nonrelated adults and minors is abusive, as children often

> > deem the experience to be positive....

>

> Different guy. This one is in the Psychology Department at Temple

> University in Philadelphia. He has a Ph.D. in psychology. Our Dr. Rind

> is an M.D., board certified in anesthesiology, in Washington, D.C.

>

> Chuck

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello All -

My family encouraged me to keep my appt.with Dr. Bruce Rind. They said I

should be assertive and ask good quesions and demand the tests that I want run.

Dr. Rind was very compassionate and is willing to run all of the tests I asked,

including the saliva test for adrenal functioining. He said that I am too weak

for Armour Thyroid and did not recommend it. He said I my adrenals are fatigued

and exhausted and that I needed adrenal support and some iodine. He recommended

going from 100 mcg. of Unithroid to .75 mcg. of Unithroid. He also recommended

as I knew he would, several supplements to include vit a, vit, d, magnesium,

iodine, a multivitamin, Dr. 's Future Formulations Adrenal Rebuilder, Code

Liver Oil, Progesterone, a probiotic, and several others to be added down the

road. He suggested several dietary changes and recommended a follow up with the

Nutritionist.

I did not realize he was not trained an an endo. So I looked at his resume and

have attached it here. I am totally confused about what to do. He geniuely seems

like he wants to help me but I don't know if his approach with the many

supplements is best for me. I think I need a second opinion. Here is his resume.

He is not the psychologist but an anesthesiologist.

Dr. Bruce Rind, M.D.

Heading Specialty:

Integrative Holistic Medicine

Practice Philosophy:

The body has the inherent capacity to heal itself. Our mission as the

physician-patient team is to support this process. Treating the cause,

enhancement of function, and restoration of optimal physiology tends to produce

the best results.

Areas of Focus:

Endocrine/hormonal/metabolic therapy, vascular therapy, medical nutritional

therapy, treatment of stroke/brain trauma, oxygen therapies, sports injuries,

orthopedic medical problems, osteopathic manipulation, and treatment of

pain-related problems.

Bruce Rind M.D., is one of the leading holistic medical doctors in the

Washington metropolitan area. He has over 30 years of clinical experience in

both traditional and holistic medicine.

As an anesthesiologist, he began his career with an interest in pain management

and obtained board certification from the American Board of Anesthesiology. He

later developed a passion for natural healing and supporting the physiological

function of the body. In December of 2003 he received his certification from the

American Board of Holistic Medicine.

This became the foundation for his holistic medical practice. Today, Dr. Rind

has several areas of expertise including: Prolotherapy (non-surgical joint

repair), Metabolic and Endocrine Therapy (thyroid/adrenal/ female and male

hormonal), Stroke/Brain Injury and non-surgical Vascular Therapy.

Dr. Rind has taken additional training in a variety of alternative medical

therapies. Dr. Rind’s treatment approach is holistic. He completed his full

osteopathic training for MD’s at Michigan State University/College of

Osteopathic Medicine. He has completed a three-part British program of Cyriax

techniques in orthopedic medicine. Dr. Rind is an Assistant Professor at

University College of Medicine.

Dr. Rind’s practice focuses on:

Endocrine/hormonal/metabolic therapy

Vascular therapies, which include chelation therapy

Medical nutritional therapy, which also includes nutritional intravenous therapy

Treatment of stroke/brain trauma

Oxygen therapies

Sports injuries

Orthopedic medical problems

Osteopathy and osteopathic manipulation/mobilization

Treatment of all pain-related problems

For more details see Dr. Rind’s website www.DrRind.com

---------------------------------

CURRICULUM VITAE

Dr. Bruce Rind, M.D

Education

Fifth Pathway, Queens Hospital Center; Queens, New York June 1977

M.D., Autonoma University of Guadalajara, Mexico June 1976

B.S., Biology, York College, The City University of New York June 1972

Postgraduate Education

Anesthesia, Nassau County Medical Center, New York June 1980

Family Practice, Mountainside Hospital, New Jersey June 1978

Board Certification

American Board of Anesthesiologists (certification #15365) April 1988

American Board of Holistic Medicine December 31, 2002

Professional Experience

Private Practice August 1989 to present

Washington, DC (moved from land, April 2002)

University Medical School May 1988 to present

Washington, District of Columbia

Assistant Professor

Doctors Community Hospital May 1991 to August 1991

Lanham, land

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Kaiser Permanente August 1989 to January 1991

Kensington, land

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Greater Southeast Community Hospital April 1988 to July 1989

Washington, District of Columbia

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Memorial Hospital September 1985 to March 1988

Wellsville, New York

Director/Department of Anesthesiology

Coney Island Hospital October 1982 to June 1985

Brooklyn, New York

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Independent Research September 1981-October 1982

Results: Two U.S. Patents

1) Oral airway

2) Orthopedic cast

Saint Luke’s Hospital July 1980-September 1981

Aberdeen, South Dakota

Director/Department of Anesthesiology

Continuing Medical Education

“The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine

9th Annual Congress on Anti-Aging

& Biomedical Technologies” December 13-16, 2001

Las Vegas, Nevada

19.5 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“Internal Medicine Board Review” July 2001

American College or Physicians

-American Society of Internal Medicine

New York, New York

43.5 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“CPT Coding for Physicians” April 2001

The Medical Management Institute

Baltimore, land

6 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“Atherosclerotic Disease: Practical Solutions December 2000

in Preventing MI and Stroke”

Scientific Exchange Inc.

3 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“Visceral Manipulation” November 1992

West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine

“Medical Acupuncture for Physicians” September 1991-March 1992

University of California, Los Angeles

200-hour course

“The Therapeutic Use of Inherent Potency” October 1992

New England College of Osteopathic Medicine

“Osteopathy in the Cranial Field” June 1992

Cranial Academy Basic Course

“Diagnosis and Injection Techniques February 1992

in Orthopedic Medicine”

“Classical Acupuncture Seminar” September 1991

M.E.D. Servi-Systems Canada, Ltd.

Regional Anesthesia Workshops April 1991

“Overview Course and Clinical Training” September 1980

American Academy of Disability Evaluating Physicians

65 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“Osteopathy in the Cranial Field” June 1990

The Cranial Academy

“Myofascial Pain” March 1990

Total Management/Janet Travell, M.D.

The following courses in osteopathic manual therapy were at or under the

auspices of Michigan State University School of Osteopathic Medicine:

" Principles of Manual Medicine " March 1989

" Tutorial on Level I Muscle Energy Technique " September 1989

" Tutorial on Direct Action Thrust Manipulative Technique " March 1990

" Tutorial on Level I Craniosacral Techniques " January 1989

" Tutorial on Joint Play Applied to the Spine & Extremities " November 1989

" Tutorial on Myofascial Release " October 1989

" Tutorial on Level II Techniques: Below the Diaphragm " July 1989

" Tutorial on Level II Techniques: Below the Diaphragm " September 1989

(Cervical & thoracic spine and upper extremities)

Many, many thanks to everyone who responded to this post. It was a big help to

me and I really appreciate all of you! Peace, Julyette

Julyette Clifton

[Guest guest]

hi Julyette

I think a lot of us would think that NOT being an endo is a good thing. what

I mean is, most endos don't seem to give us very good treatment.

I disagree w ith some of Dr. Rind's postions. I was almost dead when I got

a small bit of Armour (90mg). it was very helpful even though I needed more

and adrenals treated. I think you must get HC low dose hydrocortisone--it's

so helpful for all your conditions. I don't think " adrenal rebuilder " will do

it.

how much iodine???? Iodoral at the right dose works miracles.

Gracia

Hello All -

My family encouraged me to keep my appt.with Dr. Bruce Rind. They said I

should be assertive and ask good quesions and demand the tests that I want run.

Dr. Rind was very compassionate and is willing to run all of the tests I asked,

including the saliva test for adrenal functioining. He said that I am too weak

for Armour Thyroid and did not recommend it. He said I my adrenals are fatigued

and exhausted and that I needed adrenal support and some iodine. He recommended

going from 100 mcg. of Unithroid to .75 mcg. of Unithroid. He also recommended

as I knew he would, several supplements to include vit a, vit, d, magnesium,

iodine, a multivitamin, Dr. 's Future Formulations Adrenal Rebuilder, Code

Liver Oil, Progesterone, a probiotic, and several others to be added down the

road. He suggested several dietary changes and recommended a follow up with the

Nutritionist.

I did not realize he was not trained an an endo. So I looked at his resume and

have attached it here. I am totally confused about what to do. He geniuely seems

like he wants to help me but I don't know if his approach with the many

supplements is best for me. I think I need a second opinion. Here is his resume.

He is not the psychologist but an anesthesiologist.

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[Guest guest]

Julyette,

Dr. Rind is absolutely right - if you don't fix broken adrenals,

you'll never get your thyroid function corrected. And the best way

to support the adrenals is to take all those supplements, and maybe

more.

Marla

>

> Hello All -

>

> My family encouraged me to keep my appt.with Dr. Bruce Rind.

They said I should be assertive and ask good quesions and demand the

tests that I want run. Dr. Rind was very compassionate and is

willing to run all of the tests I asked, including the saliva test

for adrenal functioining. He said that I am too weak for Armour

Thyroid and did not recommend it. He said I my adrenals are fatigued

and exhausted and that I needed adrenal support and some iodine. He

recommended going from 100 mcg. of Unithroid to .75 mcg. of

Unithroid. He also recommended as I knew he would, several

supplements to include vit a, vit, d, magnesium, iodine, a

multivitamin, Dr. 's Future Formulations Adrenal Rebuilder,

Code Liver Oil, Progesterone, a probiotic, and several others to be

added down the road. He suggested several dietary changes and

recommended a follow up with the Nutritionist.

>

> I did not realize he was not trained an an endo. So I looked at

his resume and have attached it here. I am totally confused about

what to do. He geniuely seems like he wants to help me but I don't

know if his approach with the many supplements is best for me. I

think I need a second opinion. Here is his resume. He is not the

psychologist but an anesthesiologist.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for clearing that up. At least that's one mark we won't have to

make against the person under discussion.

>

> Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

>

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> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

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> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Wed Apr 2, 2008 4:42 pm (PDT)

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > THE AMERICAN Psychological Association'

> s Psychological Bulletin released

> > a study of 59 other studies last year that concluded that college

> > students who had been sexually abused as kids were ``slightly less well

> > adjusted'' than other college kids. Authors Bruce Rind,

> > Tromovitch and Bauserman urged psychologists not to assume that

> > sex between nonrelated adults and minors is abusive, as children often

> > deem the experience to be positive....

>

> Different guy. This one is in the Psychology Department at Temple

> University in Philadelphia. He has a Ph.D. in psychology. Our Dr. Rind

> is an M.D., board certified in anesthesiology, in Washington, D.C.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

well, I don't agree with his decision to not start you on armour. you can heal

your adrenals at the same time as you are taking armour. especially if you are

deficient in the other thyroid hormones T1-3. Unithroid is only a T4 thyroid

med. if you are not converting T4 to T3 then you will stay sick.

the very fact that he is dropping your dose is a bit disturbing especially if

you are having severe hypo symptoms. you would want more thyroid hormone not

less.

the supplements that he is advocating are fine- but he should NOT pressure you

to buy his own. he should supply you with list of other reputable brands of

herbs so that you can buy what you can afford or desire. if he pushes his own

supplements on you that is not a good sign. my physician, prudence hall sells a

line of supplements in her office, but she does not push them on you.

as far as his resume, I don't see any clinical training in natural medicine

listed other that acupuncture. that worries me. Most of his clinical training

has been in pain management and it's associated courses. But, nothing that shows

that he took a clinical preceptorship in natural medicine. the fact that he was

investigated by the medical board for unprofessional conduct and malpractice is

very disturbing too me.

nancie

From: Julyette Clifton

Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:41 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

Hello All -

My family encouraged me to keep my appt.with Dr. Bruce Rind. They said I should

be assertive and ask good quesions and demand the tests that I want run. Dr.

Rind was very compassionate and is willing to run all of the tests I asked,

including the saliva test for adrenal functioining. He said that I am too weak

for Armour Thyroid and did not recommend it. He said I my adrenals are fatigued

and exhausted and that I needed adrenal support and some iodine. He recommended

going from 100 mcg. of Unithroid to .75 mcg. of Unithroid. He also recommended

as I knew he would, several supplements to include vit a, vit, d, magnesium,

iodine, a multivitamin, Dr. 's Future Formulations Adrenal Rebuilder, Code

Liver Oil, Progesterone, a probiotic, and several others to be added down the

road. He suggested several dietary changes and recommended a follow up with the

Nutritionist.

I did not realize he was not trained an an endo. So I looked at his resume and

have attached it here. I am totally confused about what to do. He geniuely seems

like he wants to help me but I don't know if his approach with the many

supplements is best for me. I think I need a second opinion. Here is his resume.

He is not the psychologist but an anesthesiologist.

Dr. Bruce Rind, M.D.

Heading Specialty:

Integrative Holistic Medicine

Practice Philosophy:

The body has the inherent capacity to heal itself. Our mission as the

physician-patient team is to support this process. Treating the cause,

enhancement of function, and restoration of optimal physiology tends to produce

the best results.

Areas of Focus:

Endocrine/hormonal/metabolic therapy, vascular therapy, medical nutritional

therapy, treatment of stroke/brain trauma, oxygen therapies, sports injuries,

orthopedic medical problems, osteopathic manipulation, and treatment of

pain-related problems.

Bruce Rind M.D., is one of the leading holistic medical doctors in the

Washington metropolitan area. He has over 30 years of clinical experience in

both traditional and holistic medicine.

As an anesthesiologist, he began his career with an interest in pain management

and obtained board certification from the American Board of Anesthesiology. He

later developed a passion for natural healing and supporting the physiological

function of the body. In December of 2003 he received his certification from the

American Board of Holistic Medicine.

This became the foundation for his holistic medical practice. Today, Dr. Rind

has several areas of expertise including: Prolotherapy (non-surgical joint

repair), Metabolic and Endocrine Therapy (thyroid/adrenal/ female and male

hormonal), Stroke/Brain Injury and non-surgical Vascular Therapy.

Dr. Rind has taken additional training in a variety of alternative medical

therapies. Dr. Rind's treatment approach is holistic. He completed his full

osteopathic training for MD's at Michigan State University/College of

Osteopathic Medicine. He has completed a three-part British program of Cyriax

techniques in orthopedic medicine. Dr. Rind is an Assistant Professor at

University College of Medicine.

Dr. Rind's practice focuses on:

Endocrine/hormonal/metabolic therapy

Vascular therapies, which include chelation therapy

Medical nutritional therapy, which also includes nutritional intravenous therapy

Treatment of stroke/brain trauma

Oxygen therapies

Sports injuries

Orthopedic medical problems

Osteopathy and osteopathic manipulation/mobilization

Treatment of all pain-related problems

For more details see Dr. Rind's website www.DrRind.com

---------------------------------

CURRICULUM VITAE

Dr. Bruce Rind, M.D

Education

Fifth Pathway, Queens Hospital Center; Queens, New York June 1977

M.D., Autonoma University of Guadalajara, Mexico June 1976

B.S., Biology, York College, The City University of New York June 1972

Postgraduate Education

Anesthesia, Nassau County Medical Center, New York June 1980

Family Practice, Mountainside Hospital, New Jersey June 1978

Board Certification

American Board of Anesthesiologists (certification #15365) April 1988

American Board of Holistic Medicine December 31, 2002

Professional Experience

Private Practice August 1989 to present

Washington, DC (moved from land, April 2002)

University Medical School May 1988 to present

Washington, District of Columbia

Assistant Professor

Doctors Community Hospital May 1991 to August 1991

Lanham, land

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Kaiser Permanente August 1989 to January 1991

Kensington, land

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Greater Southeast Community Hospital April 1988 to July 1989

Washington, District of Columbia

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Memorial Hospital September 1985 to March 1988

Wellsville, New York

Director/Department of Anesthesiology

Coney Island Hospital October 1982 to June 1985

Brooklyn, New York

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Independent Research September 1981-October 1982

Results: Two U.S. Patents

1) Oral airway

2) Orthopedic cast

Saint Luke's Hospital July 1980-September 1981

Aberdeen, South Dakota

Director/Department of Anesthesiology

Continuing Medical Education

" The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine

9th Annual Congress on Anti-Aging

& Biomedical Technologies " December 13-16, 2001

Las Vegas, Nevada

19.5 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician's Recognition Award

" Internal Medicine Board Review " July 2001

American College or Physicians

-American Society of Internal Medicine

New York, New York

43.5 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician's Recognition Award

" CPT Coding for Physicians " April 2001

The Medical Management Institute

Baltimore, land

6 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician's Recognition Award

" Atherosclerotic Disease: Practical Solutions December 2000

in Preventing MI and Stroke "

Scientific Exchange Inc.

3 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician's Recognition Award

" Visceral Manipulation " November 1992

West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine

" Medical Acupuncture for Physicians " September 1991-March 1992

University of California, Los Angeles

200-hour course

" The Therapeutic Use of Inherent Potency " October 1992

New England College of Osteopathic Medicine

" Osteopathy in the Cranial Field " June 1992

Cranial Academy Basic Course

" Diagnosis and Injection Techniques February 1992

in Orthopedic Medicine "

" Classical Acupuncture Seminar " September 1991

M.E.D. Servi-Systems Canada, Ltd.

Regional Anesthesia Workshops April 1991

" Overview Course and Clinical Training " September 1980

American Academy of Disability Evaluating Physicians

65 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician's Recognition Award

" Osteopathy in the Cranial Field " June 1990

The Cranial Academy

" Myofascial Pain " March 1990

Total Management/Janet Travell, M.D.

The following courses in osteopathic manual therapy were at or under the

auspices of Michigan State University School of Osteopathic Medicine:

" Principles of Manual Medicine " March 1989

" Tutorial on Level I Muscle Energy Technique " September 1989

" Tutorial on Direct Action Thrust Manipulative Technique " March 1990

" Tutorial on Level I Craniosacral Techniques " January 1989

" Tutorial on Joint Play Applied to the Spine & Extremities " November 1989

" Tutorial on Myofascial Release " October 1989

" Tutorial on Level II Techniques: Below the Diaphragm " July 1989

" Tutorial on Level II Techniques: Below the Diaphragm " September 1989

(Cervical & thoracic spine and upper extremities)

Many, many thanks to everyone who responded to this post. It was a big help to

me and I really appreciate all of you! Peace, Julyette

Julyette Clifton

[Guest guest]

Julyette, the reason you cannot tolerate thyroid meds is because of your

adrenals. I do not understand his reasoning for saying you are too weak for

Armour, but maybe he is referring to your adrenal's. Just because he has

his own vitamins and supplements doesn't make him a bad guy. There should

be a way you can look into him more to see if he has had any criminal

charges etc. The supplements he recommended sounds good to me. A doc doesn

t have to be an endo to be good. Most on here hate endos. You need someone

who knows how to use the drugs. He must get some benefit from the drug

manufacturer to rx unithroid. If he is so holistic why go with t4 only meds

This tells me he doesn't know everything there is to know. Why did you rx

strength decrease? Did he have recent blood work that told him you were

hyper? I know lot's of questions, but hopefully it will help you. He is

getting a lot of money each time you go in there, so make sure he isn't

trying to keep you sick.

cw

-- Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

Hello All -

My family encouraged me to keep my appt.with Dr. Bruce Rind. They said I

should be assertive and ask good quesions and demand the tests that I want

run. Dr. Rind was very compassionate and is willing to run all of the tests

I asked, including the saliva test for adrenal functioining. He said that I

am too weak for Armour Thyroid and did not recommend it. He said I my

adrenals are fatigued and exhausted and that I needed adrenal support and

some iodine. He recommended going from 100 mcg. of Unithroid to .75 mcg. of

Unithroid. He also recommended as I knew he would, several supplements to

include vit a, vit, d, magnesium, iodine, a multivitamin, Dr. 's

Future Formulations Adrenal Rebuilder, Code Liver Oil, Progesterone, a

probiotic, and several others to be added down the road. He suggested

several dietary changes and recommended a follow up with the Nutritionist.

I did not realize he was not trained an an endo. So I looked at his resume

and have attached it here. I am totally confused about what to do. He

geniuely seems like he wants to help me but I don't know if his approach

with the many supplements is best for me. I think I need a second opinion.

Here is his resume. He is not the psychologist but an anesthesiologist.

Dr. Bruce Rind, M.D.

Heading Specialty:

Integrative Holistic Medicine

Practice Philosophy:

The body has the inherent capacity to heal itself. Our mission as the

physician-patient team is to support this process. Treating the cause,

enhancement of function, and restoration of optimal physiology tends to

produce the best results.

Areas of Focus:

Endocrine/hormonal/metabolic therapy, vascular therapy, medical nutritional

therapy, treatment of stroke/brain trauma, oxygen therapies, sports injuries

orthopedic medical problems, osteopathic manipulation, and treatment of

pain-related problems.

Bruce Rind M.D., is one of the leading holistic medical doctors in the

Washington metropolitan area. He has over 30 years of clinical experience in

both traditional and holistic medicine.

As an anesthesiologist, he began his career with an interest in pain

management and obtained board certification from the American Board of

Anesthesiology. He later developed a passion for natural healing and

supporting the physiological function of the body. In December of 2003 he

received his certification from the American Board of Holistic Medicine.

This became the foundation for his holistic medical practice. Today, Dr.

Rind has several areas of expertise including: Prolotherapy (non-surgical

joint repair), Metabolic and Endocrine Therapy (thyroid/adrenal/ female and

male hormonal), Stroke/Brain Injury and non-surgical Vascular Therapy.

Dr. Rind has taken additional training in a variety of alternative medical

therapies. Dr. Rind’s treatment approach is holistic. He completed his full

osteopathic training for MD’s at Michigan State University/College of

Osteopathic Medicine. He has completed a three-part British program of

Cyriax techniques in orthopedic medicine. Dr. Rind is an Assistant Professor

at University College of Medicine.

Dr. Rind’s practice focuses on:

Endocrine/hormonal/metabolic therapy

Vascular therapies, which include chelation therapy

Medical nutritional therapy, which also includes nutritional intravenous

therapy

Treatment of stroke/brain trauma

Oxygen therapies

Sports injuries

Orthopedic medical problems

Osteopathy and osteopathic manipulation/mobilization

Treatment of all pain-related problems

For more details see Dr. Rind’s website www.DrRind.com

---------------------------------

CURRICULUM VITAE

Dr. Bruce Rind, M.D

Education

Fifth Pathway, Queens Hospital Center; Queens, New York June 1977

M.D., Autonoma University of Guadalajara, Mexico June 1976

B.S., Biology, York College, The City University of New York June 1972

Postgraduate Education

Anesthesia, Nassau County Medical Center, New York June 1980

Family Practice, Mountainside Hospital, New Jersey June 1978

Board Certification

American Board of Anesthesiologists (certification #15365) April 1988

American Board of Holistic Medicine December 31, 2002

Professional Experience

Private Practice August 1989 to present

Washington, DC (moved from land, April 2002)

University Medical School May 1988 to present

Washington, District of Columbia

Assistant Professor

Doctors Community Hospital May 1991 to August 1991

Lanham, land

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Kaiser Permanente August 1989 to January 1991

Kensington, land

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Greater Southeast Community Hospital April 1988 to July 1989

Washington, District of Columbia

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Memorial Hospital September 1985 to March 1988

Wellsville, New York

Director/Department of Anesthesiology

Coney Island Hospital October 1982 to June 1985

Brooklyn, New York

Attending Physician/Department of Anesthesiology

Independent Research September 1981-October 1982

Results: Two U.S. Patents

1) Oral airway

2) Orthopedic cast

Saint Luke’s Hospital July 1980-September 1981

Aberdeen, South Dakota

Director/Department of Anesthesiology

Continuing Medical Education

“The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine

9th Annual Congress on Anti-Aging

& Biomedical Technologies” December 13-16, 2001

Las Vegas, Nevada

19.5 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“Internal Medicine Board Review” July 2001

American College or Physicians

-American Society of Internal Medicine

New York, New York

43.5 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“CPT Coding for Physicians” April 2001

The Medical Management Institute

Baltimore, land

6 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“Atherosclerotic Disease: Practical Solutions December 2000

in Preventing MI and Stroke”

Scientific Exchange Inc.

3 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“Visceral Manipulation” November 1992

West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine

“Medical Acupuncture for Physicians” September 1991-March 1992

University of California, Los Angeles

200-hour course

“The Therapeutic Use of Inherent Potency” October 1992

New England College of Osteopathic Medicine

“Osteopathy in the Cranial Field” June 1992

Cranial Academy Basic Course

“Diagnosis and Injection Techniques February 1992

in Orthopedic Medicine”

“Classical Acupuncture Seminar” September 1991

M.E.D. Servi-Systems Canada, Ltd.

Regional Anesthesia Workshops April 1991

“Overview Course and Clinical Training” September 1980

American Academy of Disability Evaluating Physicians

65 hours in category 1 credits toward AMA Physician’s Recognition Award

“Osteopathy in the Cranial Field” June 1990

The Cranial Academy

“Myofascial Pain” March 1990

Total Management/Janet Travell, M.D.

The following courses in osteopathic manual therapy were at or under the

auspices of Michigan State University School of Osteopathic Medicine:

" Principles of Manual Medicine " March 1989

" Tutorial on Level I Muscle Energy Technique " September 1989

" Tutorial on Direct Action Thrust Manipulative Technique " March 1990

" Tutorial on Level I Craniosacral Techniques " January 1989

" Tutorial on Joint Play Applied to the Spine & Extremities " November 1989

" Tutorial on Myofascial Release " October 1989

" Tutorial on Level II Techniques: Below the Diaphragm " July 1989

" Tutorial on Level II Techniques: Below the Diaphragm " September 1989

(Cervical & thoracic spine and upper extremities)

Many, many thanks to everyone who responded to this post. It was a big help

to me and I really appreciate all of you! Peace, Julyette

Julyette Clifton

[Guest guest]

gracia-

there are many ways to heal your adrenals, steroids is NOT the holy grail.

Chinese herbs; east Indian herbs; native American herbs can all do the same

thing just in a different manner as they all attach to the same cell receptors

on the target cells to heal the adrenals.

just like the manner in which allopathic drugs mimic the function of herbs same

difference and just the opposite- this time herbs mimicking and allopathic

chemical made in a lab.

From: Gracia

Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:41 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

hi Julyette

I think a lot of us would think that NOT being an endo is a good thing. what I

mean is, most endos don't seem to give us very good treatment.

I disagree w ith some of Dr. Rind's postions. I was almost dead when I got a

small bit of Armour (90mg). it was very helpful even though I needed more and

adrenals treated. I think you must get HC low dose hydrocortisone--it's so

helpful for all your conditions. I don't think " adrenal rebuilder " will do it.

how much iodine???? Iodoral at the right dose works miracles.

Gracia

Hello All -

My family encouraged me to keep my appt.with Dr. Bruce Rind. They said I should

be assertive and ask good quesions and demand the tests that I want run. Dr.

Rind was very compassionate and is willing to run all of the tests I asked,

including the saliva test for adrenal functioining. He said that I am too weak

for Armour Thyroid and did not recommend it. He said I my adrenals are fatigued

and exhausted and that I needed adrenal support and some iodine. He recommended

going from 100 mcg. of Unithroid to .75 mcg. of Unithroid. He also recommended

as I knew he would, several supplements to include vit a, vit, d, magnesium,

iodine, a multivitamin, Dr. 's Future Formulations Adrenal Rebuilder, Code

Liver Oil, Progesterone, a probiotic, and several others to be added down the

road. He suggested several dietary changes and recommended a follow up with the

Nutritionist.

I did not realize he was not trained an an endo. So I looked at his resume and

have attached it here. I am totally confused about what to do. He geniuely seems

like he wants to help me but I don't know if his approach with the many

supplements is best for me. I think I need a second opinion. Here is his resume.

He is not the psychologist but an anesthesiologist.

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yes I must have tried every way there was. I have BTDT.

Julyette will save lots of time and $$$ if she gets proper treatment--really

really. The conditions she listed will need HC, which works great and is

perfectly safe.

I do understand that you believe high dose synthetic " steroids " are the same

as HC, but they are not.

Gracia

gracia-

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Chinese herbs; east Indian herbs; native American herbs can all do the same

thing just in a different manner as they all attach to the same cell receptors

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just like the manner in which allopathic drugs mimic the function of herbs

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As we have posted before, even the manufacturer states that the drugs

potentially ARE NOT safe at even prescribed doses, or by taking them for

longer than a few weeks, or taking them without having been tested to

determine if they are needed.

I have seen the effects of cortizone. I especially thought the skin

tearing was pretty nasty, the dependency developed to them after too long a

time on them, the need to increase the dosages to get the same results, and

the false " feel good " sensation early on in its use that leads one to

believe the drug is a miracle drug. Perhaps the most severe effects my

father suffered from long term dosing was insulin dependent diabetes. By

anyone's standards, these things are not safe.

You need only read the manufacturer insert for that specific drug (enclosed

with the packet) to see for yourself.

Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

yes I must have tried every way there was. I have BTDT.

Julyette will save lots of time and $$$ if she gets proper treatment--really

really. The conditions she listed will need HC, which works great and is

perfectly safe.

I do understand that you believe high dose synthetic " steroids " are the same

as HC, but they are not.

Gracia

gracia-

there are many ways to heal your adrenals, steroids is NOT the holy grail.

Chinese herbs; east Indian herbs; native American herbs can all do the same

thing just in a different manner as they all attach to the same cell

receptors on the target cells to heal the adrenals.

just like the manner in which allopathic drugs mimic the function of herbs

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everyone needs to be as informed about all one's choices that are out there,

especially if the steroids don't work out for her. then at least she would be

informed about what her other choices are. 1 size does not fit all.

it is the same kind of oppression that we got when we were told that synthroid

was the one and only medication for hypo T.and any other choices out there would

not work and we would be stupid to try them.

just because one option is 'cheaper " doesn't mean it is better than the other

options out there.

I rather spend more money for a treatment that I know is healthier for me than

the other which may be " cheaper " but it is seriously unhealthy for me.

everyone has to be able to make that choice for themselves.

From: Dusty

Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:40 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

As we have posted before, even the manufacturer states that the drugs

potentially ARE NOT safe at even prescribed doses, or by taking them for

longer than a few weeks, or taking them without having been tested to

determine if they are needed.

I have seen the effects of cortizone. I especially thought the skin

tearing was pretty nasty, the dependency developed to them after too long a

time on them, the need to increase the dosages to get the same results, and

the false " feel good " sensation early on in its use that leads one to

believe the drug is a miracle drug. Perhaps the most severe effects my

father suffered from long term dosing was insulin dependent diabetes. By

anyone's standards, these things are not safe.

You need only read the manufacturer insert for that specific drug (enclosed

with the packet) to see for yourself.

Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

yes I must have tried every way there was. I have BTDT.

Julyette will save lots of time and $$$ if she gets proper treatment--really

really. The conditions she listed will need HC, which works great and is

perfectly safe.

I do understand that you believe high dose synthetic " steroids " are the same

as HC, but they are not.

Gracia

gracia-

there are many ways to heal your adrenals, steroids is NOT the holy grail.

Chinese herbs; east Indian herbs; native American herbs can all do the same

thing just in a different manner as they all attach to the same cell

receptors on the target cells to heal the adrenals.

just like the manner in which allopathic drugs mimic the function of herbs

same difference and just the opposite- this time herbs mimicking and

allopathic chemical made in a lab.

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Hello Nancie,

I can't thank you all enough from the bottom of my heart for responding to my

requests for your insights. I've been home very sick on short term medical leave

for that past six weeks. I spoke with another patient who had seen Dr. Rind. He

has a 'one size fits all " approach to hypothyroid problems. He attributes

everything to adrenals and estrogen dominance and prescribes lots of supplements

that I can not afford. I am concerned about the fact that he is not board

certified in internal medicine, family practice, or ob/gyn, which would be good

training to address my thryoid-adrenal-sex hormones challenges. I am 46 years

old and just coming off of birth control pills, so I need my estrogen,

progesterone and other hormones checked as well.

Dr. Rind is willing to run the tests that I have begged other docs to run -

the saliva test and all of the thyroid tests I want - Free T3, Free T4, TSH,

Thyroid Antibodies, Adrenal (cortisol levels), B-12, estrogen, progesterone,

testosterone, DHEA, and Reverse T3. I'm doing the saliva test today and the

blood work in 3 weeks. Once I have this information, Dr. Rind and I will have

much better idea of how my body is functioning and what is the best medication

to be on Unithroid/Cytomel combo or Armour Thyroid or Thyrolar or something to

give me some T3. I think I need it.

I'm reluctant to start on so many supplements. I'm going to take a

multivitamin with minerals, probiotic, some herbs my acunpucturist gave me, my

Unithroid and .30 mg. of Evoxac since I have Sjogren's Syndrome. I have a lot

going on so I have to be careful. If I take too many things, I won't know what's

working! I am going to have a consultation with Dr. Shames who is an

expert in these matters. Shomon recommends him highly www.feelingfff.com is

his website if you want more information.

Thank you for helping me sort this out. I will stay with Dr. Rind to get these

tests completed. However, I need to find a good doctor, not necessarily an endo,

because I don't think they understand enough about thyroid diseases. I am going

to continue my search for a great holistic or naturopathic doctor who is trained

in internal medicine or general family practice. Any other ideas, suggestions or

thought the group has would be welcomed. I'll keep you posted on my progress.

Peace,

Julyette

Julyette Clifton

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree with you about the endo. I'm not so sure the adrenal rebuilder is

the right way to go. I took it for 3 months before and felt no different so I

stopped. I wrote a more detailed response to the group about my next steps. I'm

getting the tests I requested and in about 4 weeks I should have enough

information for Dr. Rind or whoever I end up seeing, I want to find a board

certified internal medicine physician who understands thyroid-adrenals -sex

hormones to treat my hypothyroidism, fibromyalgia and Sjorgrens Syndrome. Not

sure waht to do about the iodine as it gives me chest palps. Thanks so much for

your insight. I find it very helpful.

Peace,

Julyette

Julyette Clifton

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marla. I'm finally getting the tests I need to see what's going on with

my adrenals. The blood test is worthless. I'm doing the saliva test today. I got

the kit from Dr. Rind. At least he is open to doing whatever tests I want. I'm

not so sure about the supplements. I have to get a second opinion. They are

expensive. I don't want to buy what I don't need. I appreciate you taking the

time to give me your thoughts.

Peace,

Julyette

Julyette Clifton

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Hi Crystal,

I'm not dropping my Unithroid from 100 mcg to 75 mcg. I'm sticking with the

100 mcg until I have my labs done again in 3 weeks. The supplements are okay but

I think Dr. Rind puts the cart before the horse. Until we have the saliva tests

and all of the labs I'm finally getting that I've been begging for, I don't want

to make abrupt changes. My system is already out of whack. After 30 years, I

just stopped taking birth control pills. I need to have my sex hormones level

checked too. All of these thyroid-adrenals-sex hormones work together. Right

now, I'm very sick and home on medical leave. I am so lethargic and depressed,

yet I have to fight everyday for my health needs to be addressed. I'm looking

for another doc besides Rind. Dr. Rind will get the tests but he's not trained

as a board certified internal medicine physician and this bothers me. I don't

want an endo because they don't understand how to help us. If anyone can

recommend a good doc in Washington DC/

land/Nothern Virginia, I'd love to know about them.

Thank you for your very good questions and insights. I'll keep the group

posted on my progress and what I learn may help all of us in some way I hope.

Peace,

Julyette

Julyette Clifton

[Guest guest]

confusion reigns. drug companies have done their job well!

Gracia

everyone needs to be as informed about all one's choices that are out there,

especially if the steroids don't work out for her. then at least she would be

informed about what her other choices are. 1 size does not fit all.

it is the same kind of oppression that we got when we were told that synthroid

was the one and only medication for hypo T.and any other choices out there would

not work and we would be stupid to try them.

just because one option is 'cheaper " doesn't mean it is better than the other

options out there.

I rather spend more money for a treatment that I know is healthier for me than

the other which may be " cheaper " but it is seriously unhealthy for me.

everyone has to be able to make that choice for themselves.

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