Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

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accurate info can be gotten from http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

http://www.iodine

read Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD

Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

Hypothyroidism the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD

also http://www.brodabarnes.org

the first doc who gave me an Rx for cortef was a Broda doc, based on 24

hr urine test http://www.antibodyassay.com

we have been taught by big pharma and allopathic medicine that natural

hormones are terrifying and dangerous. in fact they are the future of

medicine!

Gracia

As we have posted before, even the manufacturer states that the drugs

potentially ARE NOT safe at even prescribed doses, or by taking them for

longer than a few weeks, or taking them without having been tested to

determine if they are needed.

I have seen the effects of cortizone. I especially thought the skin

tearing was pretty nasty, the dependency developed to them after too long a

time on them, the need to increase the dosages to get the same results, and

the false " feel good " sensation early on in its use that leads one to

believe the drug is a miracle drug. Perhaps the most severe effects my

father suffered from long term dosing was insulin dependent diabetes. By

anyone's standards, these things are not safe.

You need only read the manufacturer insert for that specific drug (enclosed

with the packet) to see for yourself.

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I have had cortisone for recurring bronchitis, and asthma. I stopped the

medications when I felt better. I do keep an emergency (albuterol) inhaler with

me.

Even though I didn't take the cortisone for long periods of time or extremely

high doses (I don't really know what they gave me in the hospital) I still have

developed the beginning of a cataract. I have been allergic to the sun for 40

years, and never sit in the sun and always wear dark uva/uvb sunglasses. There

is no reason for me to have develped this except for the cortisone, which my

opthalmologist acknowledged does cause this kind of thing.

I agree that it is a very deceptively dangerous drug, and should never be

taken lightly. The results of its use are not always apparent right away, and by

the time they are, it's too late.

Roni

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

As we have posted before, even the manufacturer states that the drugs

potentially ARE NOT safe at even prescribed doses, or by taking them for

longer than a few weeks, or taking them without having been tested to

determine if they are needed.

I have seen the effects of cortizone. I especially thought the skin

tearing was pretty nasty, the dependency developed to them after too long a

time on them, the need to increase the dosages to get the same results, and

the false " feel good " sensation early on in its use that leads one to

believe the drug is a miracle drug. Perhaps the most severe effects my

father suffered from long term dosing was insulin dependent diabetes. By

anyone's standards, these things are not safe.

You need only read the manufacturer insert for that specific drug (enclosed

with the packet) to see for yourself.

Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

yes I must have tried every way there was. I have BTDT.

Julyette will save lots of time and $$$ if she gets proper treatment--really

really. The conditions she listed will need HC, which works great and is

perfectly safe.

I do understand that you believe high dose synthetic " steroids " are the same

as HC, but they are not.

Gracia

gracia-

there are many ways to heal your adrenals, steroids is NOT the holy grail.

Chinese herbs; east Indian herbs; native American herbs can all do the same

thing just in a different manner as they all attach to the same cell

receptors on the target cells to heal the adrenals.

just like the manner in which allopathic drugs mimic the function of herbs

same difference and just the opposite- this time herbs mimicking and

allopathic chemical made in a lab.

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Nobody taught me anything about cortisol. I watched my poor father suffer

from its effects, until he eventually died - indirectly from those effects.

Big pharma teachings had nothing to do with it.

Dusty

Re: Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

accurate info can be gotten from http://www.stopthet

<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> hyroidmadness.com

http://www.iodine@ <http://www.iodine >

read Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD

Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

Hypothyroidism the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD

also http://www.brodabar <http://www.brodabarnes.org> nes.org

the first doc who gave me an Rx for cortef was a Broda doc, based on

24 hr urine test http://www.antibody <http://www.antibodyassay.com>

assay.com

we have been taught by big pharma and allopathic medicine that natural

hormones are terrifying and dangerous. in fact they are the future of

medicine!

Gracia

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I never heard of someone being " too weak " for Armour or any other

hypothyroidism medicine. Some here have suggested that you may not get

the most benefit from it in some cases [such as an adrenal problem]; but

I would have thought you probably needed more in that case.

Did you read the charges against him that Chuck sent [link below]? It

seems that in 12 out of 13 cases randomly selected he provided utterly

inadequate and inappropriate treatment.

http://www.circare.org/pd/rindmdorder_20001220.pdf

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> Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:41 am (PDT)

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> Hello All -

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> My family encouraged me to keep my appt.with Dr. Bruce Rind. They said

> I should be assertive and ask good quesions and demand the tests that

> I want run. Dr. Rind was very compassionate and is willing to run all

> of the tests I asked, including the saliva test for adrenal

> functioining. He said that I am too weak for Armour Thyroid and did

> not recommend it.

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Here is the link from Stop the thyroid maddness http://www.thyroid-info

com/topdrs/districtofcolumbia.htm

-- Re: Are You a Patient of This Endo Doc?

Hi Crystal,

I'm not dropping my Unithroid from 100 mcg to 75 mcg. I'm sticking with the

100 mcg until I have my labs done again in 3 weeks. The supplements are okay

but I think Dr. Rind puts the cart before the horse. Until we have the

saliva tests and all of the labs I'm finally getting that I've been begging

for, I don't want to make abrupt changes. My system is already out of whack.

After 30 years, I just stopped taking birth control pills. I need to have my

sex hormones level checked too. All of these thyroid-adrenals-sex hormones

work together. Right now, I'm very sick and home on medical leave. I am so

lethargic and depressed, yet I have to fight everyday for my health needs to

be addressed. I'm looking for another doc besides Rind. Dr. Rind will get

the tests but he's not trained as a board certified internal medicine

physician and this bothers me. I don't want an endo because they don't

understand how to help us. If anyone can recommend a good doc in Washington

DC/

land/Nothern Virginia, I'd love to know about them.

Thank you for your very good questions and insights. I'll keep the group

posted on my progress and what I learn may help all of us in some way I hope

Peace,

Julyette

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Hello ,

I did read the charges in the link that Chuck sent. I asked the doctor's

administrative staff about it during my appt. I got their side of the story. The

truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I realize that Dr. Rind is not the

ideal doc for me BUT he is the first person to order the tests that I've been

demanding for weeks AND once I have the test results, I'll be armed with the

information I need to take to a good board certified internist or naturopath who

can prescibe the right medications. Supplements and vitamins and herbs are all

treatment options I would like to explore rather than taking a bunch of c

hemical made by large pharma companies that profit from us being sick rather

than being well. Healthy people don't need their medications! I am so thankful

to all of you for sharing your knowledge and wisdome. You've done lots of

research and know how to advocate for yourselves. This is what we must do to

ensure we get the best treatment available that is safe

and in our best interest. You all are the best!

Peace,

Julyette

Julyette Clifton

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gracia-

drug companies have NOTHING to do with this thread. are you confused. I was

talking about other NATURAL Medicine options- NOT allopathic medications.

you are stuck on this idea that if someone doesn't do it YOUR way then we are

automatically in bed with the drug companies, which is ridiculous.

From: Gracia

Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 8:25 AM

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confusion reigns. drug companies have done their job well!

Gracia

everyone needs to be as informed about all one's choices that are out there,

especially if the steroids don't work out for her. then at least she would be

informed about what her other choices are. 1 size does not fit all.

it is the same kind of oppression that we got when we were told that synthroid

was the one and only medication for hypo T.and any other choices out there would

not work and we would be stupid to try them.

just because one option is 'cheaper " doesn't mean it is better than the other

options out there.

I rather spend more money for a treatment that I know is healthier for me than

the other which may be " cheaper " but it is seriously unhealthy for me.

everyone has to be able to make that choice for themselves.

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I am sending you lots of healing and loving prayers your way! I have been in the

same spot you are in, in the past, so I can definitely empathize with you.

keep us posted. I think it a very smart idea to stay with rind long enough to

get all the labs you want, because you can always take them with you when you go

elsewhere. when/if you transfer make sure to request a copy of your entire chart

to take with you. it is a good idea to keep a copy for yourself.

nancie

From: Julyette Clifton

Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:20 AM

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Hello Nancie,

I can't thank you all enough from the bottom of my heart for responding to my

requests for your insights. I've been home very sick on short term medical leave

for that past six weeks. I spoke with another patient who had seen Dr. Rind. He

has a 'one size fits all " approach to hypothyroid problems. He attributes

everything to adrenals and estrogen dominance and prescribes lots of supplements

that I can not afford. I am concerned about the fact that he is not board

certified in internal medicine, family practice, or ob/gyn, which would be good

training to address my thryoid-adrenal-sex hormones challenges. I am 46 years

old and just coming off of birth control pills, so I need my estrogen,

progesterone and other hormones checked as well.

Dr. Rind is willing to run the tests that I have begged other docs to run - the

saliva test and all of the thyroid tests I want - Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Thyroid

Antibodies, Adrenal (cortisol levels), B-12, estrogen, progesterone,

testosterone, DHEA, and Reverse T3. I'm doing the saliva test today and the

blood work in 3 weeks. Once I have this information, Dr. Rind and I will have

much better idea of how my body is functioning and what is the best medication

to be on Unithroid/Cytomel combo or Armour Thyroid or Thyrolar or something to

give me some T3. I think I need it.

I'm reluctant to start on so many supplements. I'm going to take a multivitamin

with minerals, probiotic, some herbs my acunpucturist gave me, my Unithroid and

..30 mg. of Evoxac since I have Sjogren's Syndrome. I have a lot going on so I

have to be careful. If I take too many things, I won't know what's working! I am

going to have a consultation with Dr. Shames who is an expert in these

matters. Shomon recommends him highly www.feelingfff.com is his website if

you want more information.

Thank you for helping me sort this out. I will stay with Dr. Rind to get these

tests completed. However, I need to find a good doctor, not necessarily an endo,

because I don't think they understand enough about thyroid diseases. I am going

to continue my search for a great holistic or naturopathic doctor who is trained

in internal medicine or general family practice. Any other ideas, suggestions or

thought the group has would be welcomed. I'll keep you posted on my progress.

Peace,

Julyette

Julyette Clifton