Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 you cannot raise your Armour dose, you have A-fib etc. have you looked on http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com about adrenals? good books are Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD. Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD Also books by Brownstein MD. Holistic docs usually understand how to treat adrenals. Gracia Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system and leaves you open for infection. Why would I want that? Roni Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. 10 Day Club on Share the benefits of a high fiber diet. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 9:13 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I asked my doctor to test for adrenals. What would it say on the lab sheet? Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: roni- sorry that I wasn't clear. no it doesn't do that. it works on the adrenals the same way- without the side effects of steroids. so it does not suppress the immune system or give you any of the negative side effects of steroids. it just helps the adrenals if you have adrenal fatigue. I am sorry that I thought you had stated you had adrenal fatigue. as I have stated, I was on 10 years of high dose steroids every month without a break, so I am the last person on this earth that would voluntarily take steroids. I have already made it very clear with my providers that the only situation they can give me steroids are if I am dying and if I am in a coma. steroids destroyed my body. nancie Re: Re: Getting warm Roni has adrenal probs, but doesn't want to treat them b/c she doesn't want to take " steroids " . Gracia I don't know. Here are the ingredients from the STTM site: Porcine Thyroid Powder, U.S. Pharmacopeia Dextrose (sugar-allows you to do it sublingually) Microcrystalline Cellulose Sodium Calcium Stearate (stabilizer and lubricant) Opadry White (Titanium dioxide, but also contains trace amounts of PEG (polyethylene glycol), Polysorbate 80, and Hydroxypropyl Methycellulose [instead of corn starch?]...). Well, when " I " started taking Armour I was horribly hypO and my body temperature was 95 to 96 degrees. I definitely starting warming up on Armour. Could that be the same with you, I mean if you have been having a lower than normal body temp, that is? Sam --- Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . .. ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1260 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 9:44 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Cytomel is sort of like a kick in the butt on a supersonic transport. I've also heard from others that have said Thyrolar was less intense than straight Cytomel with or without also taking synthroid or levoxyl. Someone in another group told me the difference between her on Cytomel and on Armour was like the difference between being thrown into an icy lake in January with sharks, and a warm bubble bath with candles and champagne. Sam (thyroidless since 1990) > > The Armour has T3 in it. For about 6 or 8 months an endo put me on T4, with only a little > cytomel, and I felt terrible, my numbers went into the hper range. Then my internist put me > back on Thyrolar, which also has T3 in it. I'm so confused at this point, I could cry. (But I > won't, because I have learned it doesn't change anything anyway). > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I am taking Armour for about a month. I am splitting my dose in the hopes of not kicking off the Afib. I only had it once since the Armour, it lasted all day, and I treated it with what I could, then remembered about coughing, and that did it. It stopped. But it was a tough day. Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: Cytomel is sort of like a kick in the butt on a supersonic transport. I've also heard from others that have said Thyrolar was less intense than straight Cytomel with or without also taking synthroid or levoxyl. Someone in another group told me the difference between her on Cytomel and on Armour was like the difference between being thrown into an icy lake in January with sharks, and a warm bubble bath with candles and champagne. Sam (thyroidless since 1990) > > The Armour has T3 in it. For about 6 or 8 months an endo put me on T4, with only a little > cytomel, and I felt terrible, my numbers went into the hper range. Then my internist put me > back on Thyrolar, which also has T3 in it. I'm so confused at this point, I could cry. (But I > won't, because I have learned it doesn't change anything anyway). > Roni --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Roni, LOW dose cortisol doesn't do that. It's the high dose (over 40mg) over an extended period of time that can do that. A steroid (natural or synthetic) given at a higher dose that what our bodies would naturally make, is a high dose and can cause those negative side effects you've read about. It's generally understood that typical adrenal support (cortisol, et al) is typically 1/2 the amount that adrenal glands would make if they were healthy. If our adrenals are weakened and can not do their job, we give them a little rest by " supporting " them (with low dose cortisol), not by shutting them down with pharmacologic-size gigantor doses. Heck, if anyone would be affected by " low " dose adrenal support it surely would have been me - I don't have a thyroid or ovaries, and my adrenals were pretty fried out. I was on 7.5mg prednisoLone (more than 10mg of that is no longer a low dose, and 5mg is considered typical adrenal support for this drug) for around 2 years and yet my immune system was, and still is, stronger than dirt, and cuts and stuff still heal in less than 3 days (took forever to heal while I was hypO). The only time I ever get sick is when I am infected by a sick little kid that coughs directly in my face as I am inhaling. Our bodies do make steroid hormones, and they are generally made from cholesterol in the testes/ovaries and adrenal glands. " Mammalian steroid hormones can be grouped into five groups by the receptors to which they bind: glucocorticoids, mineralocorticoids, androgens, estrogens, and progestagens. " Natural steroids are not synthetic steroids. There's some more info and a little chart that shows what goes on with natural steroids, et al: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_hormone A good book to read on cortisol is " Safe Uses of Cortisol " by Jefferies. It's free to read at the library, pricey anywhere else, but the Broda foundation has an audio download at a reasonable price: http://www.brodabarnes.org/vhs.htm (not quite half way down the page). I'm just trying to help... Sam > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 The T3 in Armour generaly optimizes a couple of hours or so after taking it. At least that's been my experience over the past 4 1/2 years. I've had a couple of different types of hot flashes and both are from low hormones. *The full body one that slowly over takes everything in an overwhelming way and I have to sit down or fall down- that's me on low (not enough) estrogen. *The one that starts around my head area and gets me sweaty fast, but is over quickly is me when I forget to take the 2nd half of my Armour dose during the day. Sam > > Maybe someone knows.....if we are getting too warm from the T3, > wouldn't it be around the time frame of taking the T3? Why does the > feeling of being too warm come and go throughout the day and night? > Hmm, I wonder if these ARE hot flashes but why would I have them again > after 5 years of not having them anymore? Although, my T3 was too high > as far as the numbers go. SO confusing. Maybe I need an appointment > with my gynocologist. > > Venizia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I know the estrogen deficient one. Boy do I know it. Before I went on HRT I was soaking sopping wet every 20 minutes 24/7. My husband was dead set against the hormones, but the endocinologist said look at her she has to have it. He even tested me, and it came back so low it was ridiculous. This new thing happens a little bit after I take the Armour. It dissipates quickly though. Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: The T3 in Armour generaly optimizes a couple of hours or so after taking it. At least that's been my experience over the past 4 1/2 years. I've had a couple of different types of hot flashes and both are from low hormones. *The full body one that slowly over takes everything in an overwhelming way and I have to sit down or fall down- that's me on low (not enough) estrogen. *The one that starts around my head area and gets me sweaty fast, but is over quickly is me when I forget to take the 2nd half of my Armour dose during the day. Sam > > Maybe someone knows.....if we are getting too warm from the T3, > wouldn't it be around the time frame of taking the T3? Why does the > feeling of being too warm come and go throughout the day and night? > Hmm, I wonder if these ARE hot flashes but why would I have them again > after 5 years of not having them anymore? Although, my T3 was too high > as far as the numbers go. SO confusing. Maybe I need an appointment > with my gynocologist. > > Venizia --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Oh the short one? That could easily be from having low cortisol. See the adrenal section at the STTM website. As to the low estrogen thing: Gosh, you should have seen me starting BHRT after not having any hormone replacement for over a decade (total hyst in '73). I was dosing estrogel by symptoms, but when I first started out I waited until they were at the oh-my-god stage before I'd increase the dose (I had to be sure). I have to wear a wig, and even 'that' would get sopping wet while I was having flashes. <grin> [to the peanut gallery: on Armour et al, only half my hair ever came back until I finally started treating low aldosterone - I now have 2 inches of new growth] I'd like to see a man go thru what we go thru during menopause. hahaha It would certainly be entertaining. Sam > > I know the estrogen deficient one. Boy do I know it. Before I went on HRT I was soaking sopping wet every 20 minutes 24/7. My husband was dead set against the hormones, but > the endocinologist said look at her she has to have it. He even tested me, and it came back so low it was ridiculous. > > This new thing happens a little bit after I take the Armour. It dissipates quickly though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 it would say cortisol. that is what you are trying to measure. my doc used to test via the salvia method, but she now only uses the 24 hour urine to test the cortisol levels. the blood test is not that accurate because you only test one time period, the am. that test wants you test before or at 8 am. Re: Re: Getting warm Roni has adrenal probs, but doesn't want to treat them b/c she doesn't want to take " steroids " . Gracia I don't know. Here are the ingredients from the STTM site: Porcine Thyroid Powder, U.S. Pharmacopeia Dextrose (sugar-allows you to do it sublingually) Microcrystalline Cellulose Sodium Calcium Stearate (stabilizer and lubricant) Opadry White (Titanium dioxide, but also contains trace amounts of PEG (polyethylene glycol), Polysorbate 80, and Hydroxypropyl Methycellulose [instead of corn starch?]...). Well, when " I " started taking Armour I was horribly hypO and my body temperature was 95 to 96 degrees. I definitely starting warming up on Armour. Could that be the same with you, I mean if you have been having a lower than normal body temp, that is? Sam --- Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . . ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1260 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 9:44 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I'm going to carefully read the endocrine information you sent, but tomorrow. I'm too tired now to read it and really evaluate. Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: Oh the short one? That could easily be from having low cortisol. See the adrenal section at the STTM website. As to the low estrogen thing: Gosh, you should have seen me starting BHRT after not having any hormone replacement for over a decade (total hyst in '73). I was dosing estrogel by symptoms, but when I first started out I waited until they were at the oh-my-god stage before I'd increase the dose (I had to be sure). I have to wear a wig, and even 'that' would get sopping wet while I was having flashes. <grin> [to the peanut gallery: on Armour et al, only half my hair ever came back until I finally started treating low aldosterone - I now have 2 inches of new growth] I'd like to see a man go thru what we go thru during menopause. hahaha It would certainly be entertaining. Sam > > I know the estrogen deficient one. Boy do I know it. Before I went on HRT I was soaking sopping wet every 20 minutes 24/7. My husband was dead set against the hormones, but > the endocinologist said look at her she has to have it. He even tested me, and it came back so low it was ridiculous. > > This new thing happens a little bit after I take the Armour. It dissipates quickly though. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I'm pretty sure she means it has the beneficial effects without having the negative effects. That may be possible, but I don't see how; because I think with steroids it's one and the same action. If it is valid I'd like to see some published support other than advertising copy. So far the only references I've seen are from those selling the item; very typical boiler plate. > > Re: Getting warm > <hypothyroidism/message/36491;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZXNzaDg\ 0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzY0OTEEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjM4MDU2MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:48 pm (PST) > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune > system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni > > > Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@... <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com>> wrote: > she should try what I am taking for adrenal fatigue. it is natural > medicine and Chinese herbal based. it is called " phyto-ADR " . it is > hypo-allergenic plant based. the ingredients are: vit. C; B5; panax > gingseng; eleutherococcus senticosus extract; ashwagandha [withania > somnifera] extract; rhodiola rosea extract; astreagalus membranaceus > extract. > It is FREE of steroids BUT does the exact same functions as steroids. > nancie > Re: Re: Getting warm > > Roni has adrenal probs, but doesn't want to treat them b/c she doesn't > want to take " steroids " . > Gracia > > I don't know. Here are the ingredients from the STTM site: > Porcine Thyroid Powder, U.S. Pharmacopeia > Dextrose (sugar-allows you to do it sublingually) > Microcrystalline Cellulose > Sodium > Calcium Stearate (stabilizer and lubricant) > Opadry White (Titanium dioxide, but also contains trace amounts of > PEG (polyethylene glycol), Polysorbate 80, and Hydroxypropyl > Methycellulose [instead of corn starch?]...) > . > > Well, when " I " started taking Armour I was horribly hypO and my body > temperature was 95 to 96 degrees. I definitely starting warming up on > Armour. Could that be the same with you, I mean if you have been > having a lower than normal body temp, that is? > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these drugs, even at lower doses. http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433 I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the body? Dusty > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 i really think it is better to get accurate info, rather than go by opinion. I have taken low dose cortef for several years and it really is perfectly safe. Low dose cortef just replaces what the body is not making. It is the same idea as replacing thyroid hormone or estrogen etc. Support groups are the place where we should be getting accurate info. Gracia Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these drugs, even at lower doses. http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433 I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the body? Dusty > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 That's nice for you Gracia. However, this wasn't my " opinion " - this was straight from the horses mouth, i.e. the mfg side effects warnings - so it is accurate info - about as accurate as its gonna get. Your " opinion " below ( " I really think " etc. etc. etc.) is just that - an opinion, based on what you perceive to be your experience with this drug. Support groups are only a group of people offering opinions on what worked for them and not a source of good medical info. D usty Re: Re: Getting warm i really think it is better to get accurate info, rather than go by opinion. I have taken low dose cortef for several years and it really is perfectly safe. Low dose cortef just replaces what the body is not making. It is the same idea as replacing thyroid hormone or estrogen etc. Support groups are the place where we should be getting accurate info. Gracia Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these drugs, even at lower doses. http://www.rxcareca <http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433> nada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433 I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the body? Dusty > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 the blood test is completely inaccurate for any time of day. my blood tests were normal, saliva tests high, 24 hr urine test LOW. the 24 hr urine test from the doctor and local hospital aren't really accurate either. the best one is from http://www.antibodyassay.com After being on these lists for years, now I realize that most peeps have burned out adrenals (you can tell by symptoms). The constant testing is probly unnecessary. Gracia it would say cortisol. that is what you are trying to measure. my doc used to test via the salvia method, but she now only uses the 24 hour urine to test the cortisol levels. the blood test is not that accurate because you only test one time period, the am. that test wants you test before or at 8 am. Re: Re: Getting warm I asked my doctor to test for adrenals. What would it say on the lab sheet? Roni Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 9:13 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 hmmmm that is funny and I guess you are right! Except that my " opinion " is the accurate one. i should look at the insert on my cortef. the side effects/warnings thingy certainly applies to synthetic high dose steroids---maybe it would apply to a person who didn't need adrenal support---but cortef is just a bioidentical steroid--like thyroid, estrogen etc. we use it to replace what the body doesn't make. there are no " side effects " with proper dose, there are amazing health benefits, and that's what Jefferies MD wrote about. I sure disagree that support groups are not a good source of medical info! On a good group ppl can turn their health conditions around very quickly, and go from disease maintenance to wellness. I have seen it many times. The prob is that what really works is not generally known by most docs. It will be so interesting to see how the internet affects quality and standard of care. I predict in the next year or two this will be an explosive issue. Gracia That's nice for you Gracia. However, this wasn't my " opinion " - this was straight from the horses mouth, i.e. the mfg side effects warnings - so it is accurate info - about as accurate as its gonna get. Your " opinion " below ( " I really think " etc. etc. etc.) is just that - an opinion, based on what you perceive to be your experience with this drug. Support groups are only a group of people offering opinions on what worked for them and not a source of good medical info. D usty Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 From all my research I think it's the same too. Roni <res075oh@...> wrote: I'm pretty sure she means it has the beneficial effects without having the negative effects. That may be possible, but I don't see how; because I think with steroids it's one and the same action. If it is valid I'd like to see some published support other than advertising copy. So far the only references I've seen are from those selling the item; very typical boiler plate. > > Re: Getting warm > <hypothyroidism/message/36491;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZXNzaDg\ 0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzY0OTEEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjM4MDU2MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:48 pm (PST) > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune > system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni > > > Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@... <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com>> wrote: > she should try what I am taking for adrenal fatigue. it is natural > medicine and Chinese herbal based. it is called " phyto-ADR " . it is > hypo-allergenic plant based. the ingredients are: vit. C; B5; panax > gingseng; eleutherococcus senticosus extract; ashwagandha [withania > somnifera] extract; rhodiola rosea extract; astreagalus membranaceus > extract. > It is FREE of steroids BUT does the exact same functions as steroids. > nancie > Re: Re: Getting warm > > Roni has adrenal probs, but doesn't want to treat them b/c she doesn't > want to take " steroids " . > Gracia > > I don't know. Here are the ingredients from the STTM site: > Porcine Thyroid Powder, U.S. Pharmacopeia > Dextrose (sugar-allows you to do it sublingually) > Microcrystalline Cellulose > Sodium > Calcium Stearate (stabilizer and lubricant) > Opadry White (Titanium dioxide, but also contains trace amounts of > PEG (polyethylene glycol), Polysorbate 80, and Hydroxypropyl > Methycellulose [instead of corn starch?]...) > . > > Well, when " I " started taking Armour I was horribly hypO and my body > temperature was 95 to 96 degrees. I definitely starting warming up on > Armour. Could that be the same with you, I mean if you have been > having a lower than normal body temp, that is? > > Sam --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying. Roni Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these drugs, even at lower doses. http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433 I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the body? Dusty > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hmmmm, nowhere did I note in the warnings anything remotely like " except in the amounts Gracia uses " . In fact, there were no exceptions. FYI Bio's do indeed have side effects - whether your body 'needs' them or not. Needing the drug doesn't negate having reactions to it. We've established that many times over on our list. BTW - see http://www.answers.com/topic/support-group " support group definition from Wikipedia In a support group, members provide each other with various types of nonprofessional, nonmaterial help for a particular shared burdensome characteristic. The help may take the form of providing relevant information, relating personal experiences, listening to others' experiences, providing sympathetic understanding and establishing social networks. A support group may also provide ancillary support, such as serving as a voice for the public or engaging in advocacy. " Have a nice day Dusty Re: Re: Getting warm hmmmm that is funny and I guess you are right! Except that my " opinion " is the accurate one. i should look at the insert on my cortef. the side effects/warnings thingy certainly applies to synthetic high dose steroids---maybe it would apply to a person who didn't need adrenal support---but cortef is just a bioidentical steroid--like thyroid, estrogen etc. we use it to replace what the body doesn't make. there are no " side effects " with proper dose, there are amazing health benefits, and that's what Jefferies MD wrote about. I sure disagree that support groups are not a good source of medical info! On a good group ppl can turn their health conditions around very quickly, and go from disease maintenance to wellness. I have seen it many times. The prob is that what really works is not generally known by most docs. It will be so interesting to see how the internet affects quality and standard of care. I predict in the next year or two this will be an explosive issue. Gracia That's nice for you Gracia. However, this wasn't my " opinion " - this was straight from the horses mouth, i.e. the mfg side effects warnings - so it is accurate info - about as accurate as its gonna get. Your " opinion " below ( " I really think " etc. etc. etc.) is just that - an opinion, based on what you perceive to be your experience with this drug. Support groups are only a group of people offering opinions on what worked for them and not a source of good medical info. D usty <mailto:hypothyroidism-unsubscribe ?subject=> .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=145664/grpspId=1709251082/msgId= 36511/stime=1202410752/nc1=5191945/nc2=5191951/nc3=4763760> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 My lands, I'm sorry to read that someone came in to an ER wearing perfume. Of all places!! Makes no sense at all. There are so many people who cannot be around fragrances that it would seem perfume would not be allowed there. Even my chiropractor will not allow perfumes. Barbara -- Re: Re: Getting warm Oh yes, I do do that. I actually discovered it in the ER during the second emergency visit, and after them working for over 4 hours and not being able to convert the heartbeat. I am allergic to different chemicals, including those in some perfumes, and someone came into\ the area with perfume which I could smell, but barely. However, it was enough to start me coughing (my usual reaction), and lo and behold in a few hard coughs, the rythm converted. So, I tucked this bit of info away in my tired little brain, and used it the last time the Afib reared it's ugly head, and it worked. Actually I had taken other things and this was even after I took the digoxin. The same thing happened in the hospital, the cough was after they had tried all their drugs. Roni <res075oh@...> wrote: The kind of heartbeat irregularities that I have can often be " converted " by a hard cough. Try forcing one or two and see if they help. > > Re: Getting warm > <hypothyroidism/message/36456 _ylc=X3oDMTJxY2hrbWxtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTE w DIEbXNnSWQDMzY0NTYEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjI5NDM3OQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Feb 5, 2008 8:56 pm (PST) > > I'm not afraid of the Armour, I'm afraid of the Afib. Once it kicks > off, it is not so easy to stop it. I end up having to take different > medications like tranquilizer, aspirin, nattokinase, hawthorn, and as > a last resort digoxin. If I can't stop it, I end up in the ER. > Roni > > Sam <k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>> wrote: > The T3 in Armour lasts about 3-4 hours or so, I think. So if you > started experiencing negative effects from more getting into your > system, it would/should wear off within a few hours. > > Oh gosh, I surely hope Armour does the trick for you, Roni. > > Sam --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I already did, Gracia and it has the side effects listed. It's just like the patient insert for Zocor states as one of the side effects (the last one) cancer. I already know two people who were on it who died from it. Roni Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Hmmmm, nowhere did I note in the warnings anything remotely like " except in the amounts Gracia uses " . In fact, there were no exceptions. FYI Bio's do indeed have side effects - whether your body 'needs' them or not. Needing the drug doesn't negate having reactions to it. We've established that many times over on our list. BTW - see http://www.answers.com/topic/support-group " support group definition from Wikipedia In a support group, members provide each other with various types of nonprofessional, nonmaterial help for a particular shared burdensome characteristic. The help may take the form of providing relevant information, relating personal experiences, listening to others' experiences, providing sympathetic understanding and establishing social networks. A support group may also provide ancillary support, such as serving as a voice for the public or engaging in advocacy. " Have a nice day Dusty Re: Re: Getting warm hmmmm that is funny and I guess you are right! Except that my " opinion " is the accurate one. i should look at the insert on my cortef. the side effects/warnings thingy certainly applies to synthetic high dose steroids---maybe it would apply to a person who didn't need adrenal support---but cortef is just a bioidentical steroid--like thyroid, estrogen etc. we use it to replace what the body doesn't make. there are no " side effects " with proper dose, there are amazing health benefits, and that's what Jefferies MD wrote about. I sure disagree that support groups are not a good source of medical info! On a good group ppl can turn their health conditions around very quickly, and go from disease maintenance to wellness. I have seen it many times. The prob is that what really works is not generally known by most docs. It will be so interesting to see how the internet affects quality and standard of care. I predict in the next year or two this will be an explosive issue. Gracia That's nice for you Gracia. However, this wasn't my " opinion " - this was straight from the horses mouth, i.e. the mfg side effects warnings - so it is accurate info - about as accurate as its gonna get. Your " opinion " below ( " I really think " etc. etc. etc.) is just that - an opinion, based on what you perceive to be your experience with this drug. Support groups are only a group of people offering opinions on what worked for them and not a source of good medical info. D usty <mailto:hypothyroidism-unsubscribe ?subject=> .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=145664/grpspId=1709251082/msgId= 36511/stime=1202410752/nc1=5191945/nc2=5191951/nc3=4763760> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I have never had a " side effect " from a hormone. but I have taken too little or too much. For several years I have taken 240mg Armour, 250mg progesterone, 5mg estradiol, 20 mg testosterone, 20mg cortef (5mg 4X a day). and now 100mg Iodoral. what are the side effects you get from thyroid medicine? Gracia Hmmmm, nowhere did I note in the warnings anything remotely like " except in the amounts Gracia uses " . In fact, there were no exceptions. FYI Bio's do indeed have side effects - whether your body 'needs' them or not. Needing the drug doesn't negate having reactions to it. We've established that many times over on our list. BTW - see http://www.answers.com/topic/support-group " support group definition from Wikipedia In a support group, members provide each other with various types of nonprofessional, nonmaterial help for a particular shared burdensome characteristic. The help may take the form of providing relevant information, relating personal experiences, listening to others' experiences, providing sympathetic understanding and establishing social networks. A support group may also provide ancillary support, such as serving as a voice for the public or engaging in advocacy. " Have a nice day Dusty Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 My doctor's office doesn't allow perfumes either. Roni Barbara <blessed1@...> wrote: My lands, I'm sorry to read that someone came in to an ER wearing perfume. Of all places!! Makes no sense at all. There are so many people who cannot be around fragrances that it would seem perfume would not be allowed there. Even my chiropractor will not allow perfumes. Barbara -- Re: Re: Getting warm Oh yes, I do do that. I actually discovered it in the ER during the second emergency visit, and after them working for over 4 hours and not being able to convert the heartbeat. I am allergic to different chemicals, including those in some perfumes, and someone came into\ the area with perfume which I could smell, but barely. However, it was enough to start me coughing (my usual reaction), and lo and behold in a few hard coughs, the rythm converted. So, I tucked this bit of info away in my tired little brain, and used it the last time the Afib reared it's ugly head, and it worked. Actually I had taken other things and this was even after I took the digoxin. The same thing happened in the hospital, the cough was after they had tried all their drugs. Roni <res075oh@...> wrote: The kind of heartbeat irregularities that I have can often be " converted " by a hard cough. Try forcing one or two and see if they help. > > Re: Getting warm > <hypothyroidism/message/36456 _ylc=X3oDMTJxY2hrbWxtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTE w DIEbXNnSWQDMzY0NTYEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjI5NDM3OQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Getting%20warm> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Feb 5, 2008 8:56 pm (PST) > > I'm not afraid of the Armour, I'm afraid of the Afib. Once it kicks > off, it is not so easy to stop it. I end up having to take different > medications like tranquilizer, aspirin, nattokinase, hawthorn, and as > a last resort digoxin. If I can't stop it, I end up in the ER. > Roni > > Sam <k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>> wrote: > The T3 in Armour lasts about 3-4 hours or so, I think. So if you > started experiencing negative effects from more getting into your > system, it would/should wear off within a few hours. > > Oh gosh, I surely hope Armour does the trick for you, Roni. > > Sam --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 dusty and roni and james- my supplement which is based on Chinese herbal medicine performs the same actions as the steroids without any of the adverse reactions that steroids can cause. ergo it supports the adrenals in a healthy manner without using steroids. I refuse to use steroids unless I am dying or in a coma. if I can get my adrenal's healthy using Chinese medicine than I will use that product and skip the steroids. once you have been on high dose steroids for years [ as I have] you are more more sensitive to the potential side effects of steroids and the odds are huge that you will get them. I refuse to suffer from any adverse reactions from steroids that are taken as a supplement or prescription. nancie RE: Re: Getting warm It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying. Roni Dusty <dusty@...<mailto:dusty@...>> wrote: Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these drugs, even at lower doses. http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/co\ rtef.asp?prodid=433> I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the body? Dusty > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Nancie, What is the name of the supplement you use. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: dusty and roni and james- my supplement which is based on Chinese herbal medicine performs the same actions as the steroids without any of the adverse reactions that steroids can cause. ergo it supports the adrenals in a healthy manner without using steroids. I refuse to use steroids unless I am dying or in a coma. if I can get my adrenal's healthy using Chinese medicine than I will use that product and skip the steroids. once you have been on high dose steroids for years [ as I have] you are more more sensitive to the potential side effects of steroids and the odds are huge that you will get them. I refuse to suffer from any adverse reactions from steroids that are taken as a supplement or prescription. nancie RE: Re: Getting warm It's difficult to sort this all out, but I'm trying. Roni Dusty <dusty@...<mailto:dusty@...>> wrote: Roni, you are wise to beware of steroids and become very informed before you consider supplementing should you have a problem which might dictate their use. Despite some views here, there is much negative impact from these drugs, even at lower doses. http://www.rxcarecanada.com/cortef.asp?prodid=433<http://www.rxcarecanada.com/co\ rtef.asp?prodid=433> I missed 's response. Does her suggested product act the same in the body? Dusty > > Gracia, how do you know I have adrenal problems? > > , if it does the same thing as steroids, it depresses the immune system and leaves > you open for infection. Why would I want that? > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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