Re: Walnuts/avacado (was: A Suggestion)

[Guest guest]

Rodney,

I appreciate the study you cited about women gaining benefits from ALA. I eat nut oils, flaxseed etc, nuts and do so with gusto. Some things I have noticed are that my hair, skin and nails are younger, stronger and healthier looking. Especially my skin! It really looks better.

Hormonally I am young for my age. Actually reversed some tendencies that were happening in my early 40's.

I am not a fan of avocado. One of my rules is, if I don't like it, I won't eat it. As to soy, I was eating a lot and I have stopped. I realized that there was a strong aftertaste, almost metallic that I was having to overcome everytime I drank, ate soy. Something is wrong with this. Plus when I took isoflavone supplements, I believe I spiked an autoimmune flare. I got better when I stopped them.

Hopefully what I have tweaked with my nutrition and execise will work for me in the long run.

All the best,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Rodney: what's wrong with walnuts? And avocado? Both have the beneficial

fats. I eat 'em.

on 1/17/2004 5:52 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

AVOID WHEN POSSIBLE: Salt; sugar; beer, liquor; canola and soybean

> oils; walnuts; flax; anything with a very high fat content

(including

> egg, tofu, avocadoes ...)

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

88% of the calories in California avocadoes are from fat and 15% of

that fat is saturated. I don't mind eating some healthy fat (we all

need to) but when it gets much over 30% I don't really care if it is

supposed to be healthy or not.

Of course I may be mistaken in taking this approach. If someone

produces a serious empirical study which shows that people who eat

avocadoes are healthier or live longer than those who don't I would

be prepared to eat some occasionally. (But even then, only

occasionally! I have been programming myself to a low fat diet for

so long now that I would find it difficult to quickly change to a

high fat diet, even if it was proven to be beneficial!).

As for walnuts (and the same applies to flax, canola and soybean oil

also) they contain a considerable amount of alpha-linolenic acid

(ALA). This substance is an essential (thanks JW for pointing this

out to me) fat that has been shown in the Nurses' Health Study to

have a beneficial effect on women's cardiac health.

***BUT*** I have been told by the people at the Physicians' Health

Study that there are now 'several' studies that show that MEN who eat

appreciable amounts of ALA, or have higher than average amounts of it

in their blood, have significantly higher incidence of prostate

cancer. (A cancer almost as common in men, and almost as lethal, as

breast cancer is for women).

For that reason I generally try to minimize, but not totally avoid,

ALA. The jury is still out on this one though. The japanese, who

eat a fair amount of soy products, have a notably low rate of

prostate cancer. But I would be willing to bet that the reason is

NOT their consumption of ALA.

Rodney.

> Rodney: what's wrong with walnuts? And avocado? Both have the

beneficial

> fats. I eat 'em.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> For that reason I generally try to minimize, but not totally avoid,

> ALA. The jury is still out on this one though. The japanese, who

> eat a fair amount of soy products, have a notably low rate of

> prostate cancer. But I would be willing to bet that the reason is

> NOT their consumption of ALA.

ALSO: The reason **safflower** oil is on my list of oils I use is

because it contains the highest percentage of polyunsaturated fats

and almost no ALA.

[Guest guest]

I love avocado and soy. Although I don't eat a lot of either.

I have never noticed any " aftertaste " with soy.

on 1/18/2004 2:08 PM, kimlynette@... at kimlynette@... wrote:

> I am not a fan of avocado. One of my rules is, if I don't like it, I won't

> eat it. As to soy, I was eating a lot and I have stopped. I realized that

> there

> was a strong aftertaste, almost metallic that I was having to overcome

> everytime I drank, ate soy. Something is wrong with this.

[Guest guest]

I like avocado also. I'm rather neutral about soy, as I find the taste of it

rather neutral, but I don't at all find the taste objectionable.

>From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Walnuts/avacado (was: A Suggestion)

>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:17:17 -0500

>

>I love avocado and soy. Although I don't eat a lot of either.

>

>I have never noticed any " aftertaste " with soy.

>

>

>

>

>on 1/18/2004 2:08 PM, kimlynette@... at kimlynette@... wrote:

>

>

> > I am not a fan of avocado. One of my rules is, if I don't like it, I

>won't

> > eat it. As to soy, I was eating a lot and I have stopped. I realized

>that

> > there

> > was a strong aftertaste, almost metallic that I was having to overcome

> > everytime I drank, ate soy. Something is wrong with this.

>

[Guest guest]

I rather like walnuts, also, but I like most nuts, with the exception of

brazil nuts, which, for some reason, always taste like they've got mold in

them.

>From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Walnuts/avacado (was: A Suggestion)

>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:37:22 +0000

>

>I like avocado also. I'm rather neutral about soy, as I find the taste of

>it

>rather neutral, but I don't at all find the taste objectionable.

>

>

> >From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Walnuts/avacado (was: A Suggestion)

> >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:17:17 -0500

> >

> >I love avocado and soy. Although I don't eat a lot of either.

> >

> >I have never noticed any " aftertaste " with soy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >on 1/18/2004 2:08 PM, kimlynette@... at kimlynette@... wrote:

> >

> >

> > > I am not a fan of avocado. One of my rules is, if I don't like it, I

> >won't

> > > eat it. As to soy, I was eating a lot and I have stopped. I realized

> >that

> > > there

> > > was a strong aftertaste, almost metallic that I was having to overcome

> > > everytime I drank, ate soy. Something is wrong with this.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

the fatty acids in avocado mimic olive oil. and it's a natural, not messed with oil.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:36 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Walnuts/avacado (was: A Suggestion)

Hi Francesca:88% of the calories in California avocadoes are from fat and 15% of that fat is saturated. I don't mind eating some healthy fat (we all need to) but when it gets much over 30% I don't really care if it is supposed to be healthy or not. Of course I may be mistaken in taking this approach. If someone produces a serious empirical study which shows that people who eat avocadoes are healthier or live longer than those who don't I would be prepared to eat some occasionally. (But even then, only occasionally! I have been programming myself to a low fat diet for so long now that I would find it difficult to quickly change to a high fat diet, even if it was proven to be beneficial!).As for walnuts (and the same applies to flax, canola and soybean oil also) they contain a considerable amount of alpha-linolenic acid (ALA). This substance is an essential (thanks JW for pointing this out to me) fat that has been shown in the Nurses' Health Study to have a beneficial effect on women's cardiac health. ***BUT*** I have been told by the people at the Physicians' Health Study that there are now 'several' studies that show that MEN who eat appreciable amounts of ALA, or have higher than average amounts of it in their blood, have significantly higher incidence of prostate cancer. (A cancer almost as common in men, and almost as lethal, as breast cancer is for women).For that reason I generally try to minimize, but not totally avoid, ALA. The jury is still out on this one though. The japanese, who eat a fair amount of soy products, have a notably low rate of prostate cancer. But I would be willing to bet that the reason is NOT their consumption of ALA.Rodney.