RE: Neil/Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi Dusty,

I wanted to share with you that I too, was prescribed the one with soybean

oil, and Propolyene Glycol (YUK!!) So, I bought Now brand 2,000 units. I also

bought the kind that is sublingual. I took 10,000 ius a day. Initially my

levels we at 14, now my levels are at 41.

Blessings,

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

Neil/Chuck, I was just diagnosed Vit. D Deficient - blood level of 20.

Doc

wanted me to take 50,000 IU for 6 weeks and be seen again. HOWEVER, when I

got to pharmacy and got patient insert - the pills have yellow dye (I'm

allergic) and soybean oil.

I can't use them because of the dye, but wouldn't the soybean oil be a

problem for all of us?

Do you know if I can use the dry Vitamin D OTC and try to get as much of

that into me as possible?

Dusty -

P.S. sorry if this is a duplicate - the first time I sent it didn't come

thro on my computer.

[Guest guest]

Dusty,

Does your Vit.D come in a green capsule? It looks kind of like a clear

green gel cap to me. I would be interested to know if what I am

taking has soybean oil and if that is a problem also.

Venizia

>

> Neil/Chuck, I was just diagnosed Vit. D Deficient - blood level of

20. Doc

> wanted me to take 50,000 IU for 6 weeks and be seen again. HOWEVER,

when I

> got to pharmacy and got patient insert - the pills have yellow dye (I'm

> allergic) and soybean oil.

>

> I can't use them because of the dye, but wouldn't the soybean oil be a

> problem for all of us?

>

> Do you know if I can use the dry Vitamin D OTC and try to get as much of

> that into me as possible?

>

> Dusty -

>

> P.S. sorry if this is a duplicate - the first time I sent it didn't come

> thro on my computer.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dusty,

You have good company. My vitamin D level (be sure it was the 25-hydrox-D

test) was 19ng/ml.

With 4,000iu daily for two months of this product...

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=543 & at=0

it went up to 34ng/ml.

I switched to this product...

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=7763 & at=0

I switched because it was a little better value, and a little stronger per

gel cap, and now is my level is over 50ng. Chances are buying the Healthy

Origins product is cheaper than paying your co-pay on the prescription

version too. I also gave them out for stocking stuffers this Christmas! I am

the vitamin D freak in my family.

And this is what Dr. (a cardiologist that tests 100% of his patients

for vitamin D levels) has to say about prescription versions of vitamin D.

-------------------------

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/vitamin%20D

" It happened yet again.

Mel came to the office. CT heart scan score: 799--quite high, enough to pose

a real threat very soon. Thus, no time to lose in instituting an effective

prevention program.

We do the usual--identify the six causes of coronary plaque; begin fish oil,

show him how to correct his plaque causes. You've heard it before.

Vitamin D blood level in March: 17 ng/ml--severe deficiency.

Vitamin D replacement needs to be a part of his coronary plaque control

program. So I suggested 6000 units per day of an oil-based preparation of

vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). Conveniently, there is a Vitamin Shoppe outlet

across the street from my office. I just point and tell people to go across

the street.

Mel did just that. However, he also informed his primary care physician

about his vitamin D deficiency. His primary physician promptly told him he

needed to take a prescription form of vitamin D and not to bother with just

a supplement.

So Mel stopped his vitamin D capsules and started taking vitamin D

prescription " medication. " Mel figured, naturally, that if it requires a

prescription, it must be better. Unfortunately, Mel and his doctor failed to

pass the change in strategy onto us.

So, four months later, Mel got repeat vitamin D blood level: 19 ng/ml.

I've seen this too many times. The prescription form of vitamin D is

nonsense. There's hardly any effect on blood levels of vitamin D3 at all.

The body's conversion of this non-human form of D is extremely inefficient

and therefore virtually useless. While it raises the blood level of vitamin

D2 (ergocalciferol) and thereby total D (D3 + D2), there is negligible

effect on the real human and active form, D3.

How and why this preparation got through the FDA process to obtain approval

as a drug is beyond me, though I am not a defender of FDA practices and

politics.

This notion that " if it's a prescription, it must be better " is a fiction

perpetuated by the drug industry. The same principle gets tossed around with

fish oil, hormones like estrogens and testosterone, and others. Often, the

principal difference between prescription and non-prescription is patent

protection. Patent protection provides profit protection. Selling a product

without patent protection can be risky business. It's certainly less

profitable.

As always, getting at the truth is sometimes the most difficult job of all.

Prescription vitamin D belongs in the garbage. Vitamin D capsules (gel caps)

do the job and do it well, over and over, with reliable, consistent and

substantial rises in blood levels of 25-OH-vitamin D3. I take 6000 units per

day (3 2000 unit capsules) that cost me $5.99 for a bottle of 120 capsules,

or about $4.50 a month.

And nobody--nobody--pays me to say this. I say it because I believe it's

true.

--------------------------------------------

From what i understand Vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin, and these oil

based gels absorb better.

I would absolutely try to get your vitamin D level up to around 50-55ng/ml

for optimal protection against cancer, MS, Grave's, heart disease, etc. "

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Dusty

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:36 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Neil/Chuck

Neil/Chuck, I was just diagnosed Vit. D Deficient - blood level of 20. Doc

wanted me to take 50,000 IU for 6 weeks and be seen again. HOWEVER, when I

got to pharmacy and got patient insert - the pills have yellow dye (I'm

allergic) and soybean oil.

I can't use them because of the dye, but wouldn't the soybean oil be a

problem for all of us?

Do you know if I can use the dry Vitamin D OTC and try to get as much of

that into me as possible?

Dusty -

P.S. sorry if this is a duplicate - the first time I sent it didn't come

thro on my computer.

[Guest guest]

The more I learn the more I am becoming convinced that the Establishment is out

to

make and/or keep people sick, until they die. They accomplish two thing with

this

goal. Make money while they are still alive and suffering, and sweep out the

worn out

ones to make room for new medical money fodder in the new ones.

It's really a creepy feeling, like in the movies almost.

Roni

neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

Dusty,

You have good company. My vitamin D level (be sure it was the 25-hydrox-D

test) was 19ng/ml.

With 4,000iu daily for two months of this product...

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=543 & at=0

it went up to 34ng/ml.

I switched to this product...

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=7763 & at=0

I switched because it was a little better value, and a little stronger per

gel cap, and now is my level is over 50ng. Chances are buying the Healthy

Origins product is cheaper than paying your co-pay on the prescription

version too. I also gave them out for stocking stuffers this Christmas! I am

the vitamin D freak in my family.

And this is what Dr. (a cardiologist that tests 100% of his patients

for vitamin D levels) has to say about prescription versions of vitamin D.

-------------------------

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/vitamin%20D

" It happened yet again.

Mel came to the office. CT heart scan score: 799--quite high, enough to pose

a real threat very soon. Thus, no time to lose in instituting an effective

prevention program.

We do the usual--identify the six causes of coronary plaque; begin fish oil,

show him how to correct his plaque causes. You've heard it before.

Vitamin D blood level in March: 17 ng/ml--severe deficiency.

Vitamin D replacement needs to be a part of his coronary plaque control

program. So I suggested 6000 units per day of an oil-based preparation of

vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). Conveniently, there is a Vitamin Shoppe outlet

across the street from my office. I just point and tell people to go across

the street.

Mel did just that. However, he also informed his primary care physician

about his vitamin D deficiency. His primary physician promptly told him he

needed to take a prescription form of vitamin D and not to bother with just

a supplement.

So Mel stopped his vitamin D capsules and started taking vitamin D

prescription " medication. " Mel figured, naturally, that if it requires a

prescription, it must be better. Unfortunately, Mel and his doctor failed to

pass the change in strategy onto us.

So, four months later, Mel got repeat vitamin D blood level: 19 ng/ml.

I've seen this too many times. The prescription form of vitamin D is

nonsense. There's hardly any effect on blood levels of vitamin D3 at all.

The body's conversion of this non-human form of D is extremely inefficient

and therefore virtually useless. While it raises the blood level of vitamin

D2 (ergocalciferol) and thereby total D (D3 + D2), there is negligible

effect on the real human and active form, D3.

How and why this preparation got through the FDA process to obtain approval

as a drug is beyond me, though I am not a defender of FDA practices and

politics.

This notion that " if it's a prescription, it must be better " is a fiction

perpetuated by the drug industry. The same principle gets tossed around with

fish oil, hormones like estrogens and testosterone, and others. Often, the

principal difference between prescription and non-prescription is patent

protection. Patent protection provides profit protection. Selling a product

without patent protection can be risky business. It's certainly less

profitable.

As always, getting at the truth is sometimes the most difficult job of all.

Prescription vitamin D belongs in the garbage. Vitamin D capsules (gel caps)

do the job and do it well, over and over, with reliable, consistent and

substantial rises in blood levels of 25-OH-vitamin D3. I take 6000 units per

day (3 2000 unit capsules) that cost me $5.99 for a bottle of 120 capsules,

or about $4.50 a month.

And nobody--nobody--pays me to say this. I say it because I believe it's

true.

--------------------------------------------

From what i understand Vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin, and these oil

based gels absorb better.

I would absolutely try to get your vitamin D level up to around 50-55ng/ml

for optimal protection against cancer, MS, Grave's, heart disease, etc. "

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Dusty

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:36 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Neil/Chuck

Neil/Chuck, I was just diagnosed Vit. D Deficient - blood level of 20. Doc

wanted me to take 50,000 IU for 6 weeks and be seen again. HOWEVER, when I

got to pharmacy and got patient insert - the pills have yellow dye (I'm

allergic) and soybean oil.

I can't use them because of the dye, but wouldn't the soybean oil be a

problem for all of us?

Do you know if I can use the dry Vitamin D OTC and try to get as much of

that into me as possible?

Dusty -

P.S. sorry if this is a duplicate - the first time I sent it didn't come

thro on my computer.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Roni,

I have awakened to this sadness as well. I think there is an awakening. We

need to stand up and say we aren't going to take it. We all need to take a

stand. Change is possible. It just takes a long time. I think the media does

things as a shock test to see what the people are going to do. Are we going to

sit around and say " good thing it isn't me? " or are we going to stand up and say

" oh no, this isn't going to happen on my watch!! " See, most people are in so

much debt, pre-occupied with making it day to day, that we just don't have the

energy. Change is possible. We have to take our rights back. And, Truth is

out there, we just have to seek and find it.

Blessings,

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

The more I learn the more I am becoming convinced that the

Establishment is out to

make and/or keep people sick, until they die. They accomplish two thing with

this

goal. Make money while they are still alive and suffering, and sweep out the

worn out

ones to make room for new medical money fodder in the new ones.

It's really a creepy feeling, like in the movies almost.

Roni

neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

Dusty,

You have good company. My vitamin D level (be sure it was the 25-hydrox-D

test) was 19ng/ml.

With 4,000iu daily for two months of this product...

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=543 & at=0

it went up to 34ng/ml.

I switched to this product...

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=7763 & at=0

I switched because it was a little better value, and a little stronger per

gel cap, and now is my level is over 50ng. Chances are buying the Healthy

Origins product is cheaper than paying your co-pay on the prescription

version too. I also gave them out for stocking stuffers this Christmas! I am

the vitamin D freak in my family.

And this is what Dr. (a cardiologist that tests 100% of his patients

for vitamin D levels) has to say about prescription versions of vitamin D.

-------------------------

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/vitamin%20D

" It happened yet again.

Mel came to the office. CT heart scan score: 799--quite high, enough to pose

a real threat very soon. Thus, no time to lose in instituting an effective

prevention program.

We do the usual--identify the six causes of coronary plaque; begin fish oil,

show him how to correct his plaque causes. You've heard it before.

Vitamin D blood level in March: 17 ng/ml--severe deficiency.

Vitamin D replacement needs to be a part of his coronary plaque control

program. So I suggested 6000 units per day of an oil-based preparation of

vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). Conveniently, there is a Vitamin Shoppe outlet

across the street from my office. I just point and tell people to go across

the street.

Mel did just that. However, he also informed his primary care physician

about his vitamin D deficiency. His primary physician promptly told him he

needed to take a prescription form of vitamin D and not to bother with just

a supplement.

So Mel stopped his vitamin D capsules and started taking vitamin D

prescription " medication. " Mel figured, naturally, that if it requires a

prescription, it must be better. Unfortunately, Mel and his doctor failed to

pass the change in strategy onto us.

So, four months later, Mel got repeat vitamin D blood level: 19 ng/ml.

I've seen this too many times. The prescription form of vitamin D is

nonsense. There's hardly any effect on blood levels of vitamin D3 at all.

The body's conversion of this non-human form of D is extremely inefficient

and therefore virtually useless. While it raises the blood level of vitamin

D2 (ergocalciferol) and thereby total D (D3 + D2), there is negligible

effect on the real human and active form, D3.

How and why this preparation got through the FDA process to obtain approval

as a drug is beyond me, though I am not a defender of FDA practices and

politics.

This notion that " if it's a prescription, it must be better " is a fiction

perpetuated by the drug industry. The same principle gets tossed around with

fish oil, hormones like estrogens and testosterone, and others. Often, the

principal difference between prescription and non-prescription is patent

protection. Patent protection provides profit protection. Selling a product

without patent protection can be risky business. It's certainly less

profitable.

As always, getting at the truth is sometimes the most difficult job of all.

Prescription vitamin D belongs in the garbage. Vitamin D capsules (gel caps)

do the job and do it well, over and over, with reliable, consistent and

substantial rises in blood levels of 25-OH-vitamin D3. I take 6000 units per

day (3 2000 unit capsules) that cost me $5.99 for a bottle of 120 capsules,

or about $4.50 a month.

And nobody--nobody--pays me to say this. I say it because I believe it's

true.

--------------------------------------------

From what i understand Vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin, and these oil

based gels absorb better.

I would absolutely try to get your vitamin D level up to around 50-55ng/ml

for optimal protection against cancer, MS, Grave's, heart disease, etc. "

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Dusty

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:36 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Neil/Chuck

Neil/Chuck, I was just diagnosed Vit. D Deficient - blood level of 20. Doc

wanted me to take 50,000 IU for 6 weeks and be seen again. HOWEVER, when I

got to pharmacy and got patient insert - the pills have yellow dye (I'm

allergic) and soybean oil.

I can't use them because of the dye, but wouldn't the soybean oil be a

problem for all of us?

Do you know if I can use the dry Vitamin D OTC and try to get as much of

that into me as possible?

Dusty -

P.S. sorry if this is a duplicate - the first time I sent it didn't come

thro on my computer.

[Guest guest]

You go girl. I'm one of the ones just barely surviving, so there's not much I

can do

except research, post and try not to let one of them kill me.

Roni

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote:

Yes, Roni,

I have awakened to this sadness as well. I think there is an awakening. We need

to stand up and say we aren't going to take it. We all need to take a stand.

Change is possible. It just takes a long time. I think the media does things as

a shock test to see what the people are going to do. Are we going to sit around

and say " good thing it isn't me? " or are we going to stand up and say " oh no,

this isn't going to happen on my watch!! " See, most people are in so much debt,

pre-occupied with making it day to day, that we just don't have the energy.

Change is possible. We have to take our rights back. And, Truth is out there, we

just have to seek and find it.

Blessings,

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

The more I learn the more I am becoming convinced that the Establishment is out

to

make and/or keep people sick, until they die. They accomplish two thing with

this

goal. Make money while they are still alive and suffering, and sweep out the

worn out

ones to make room for new medical money fodder in the new ones.

It's really a creepy feeling, like in the movies almost.

Roni

neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

Dusty,

You have good company. My vitamin D level (be sure it was the 25-hydrox-D

test) was 19ng/ml.

With 4,000iu daily for two months of this product...

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=543 & at=0

it went up to 34ng/ml.

I switched to this product...

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=7763 & at=0

I switched because it was a little better value, and a little stronger per

gel cap, and now is my level is over 50ng. Chances are buying the Healthy

Origins product is cheaper than paying your co-pay on the prescription

version too. I also gave them out for stocking stuffers this Christmas! I am

the vitamin D freak in my family.

And this is what Dr. (a cardiologist that tests 100% of his patients

for vitamin D levels) has to say about prescription versions of vitamin D.

-------------------------

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/vitamin%20D

" It happened yet again.

Mel came to the office. CT heart scan score: 799--quite high, enough to pose

a real threat very soon. Thus, no time to lose in instituting an effective

prevention program.

We do the usual--identify the six causes of coronary plaque; begin fish oil,

show him how to correct his plaque causes. You've heard it before.

Vitamin D blood level in March: 17 ng/ml--severe deficiency.

Vitamin D replacement needs to be a part of his coronary plaque control

program. So I suggested 6000 units per day of an oil-based preparation of

vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). Conveniently, there is a Vitamin Shoppe outlet

across the street from my office. I just point and tell people to go across

the street.

Mel did just that. However, he also informed his primary care physician

about his vitamin D deficiency. His primary physician promptly told him he

needed to take a prescription form of vitamin D and not to bother with just

a supplement.

So Mel stopped his vitamin D capsules and started taking vitamin D

prescription " medication. " Mel figured, naturally, that if it requires a

prescription, it must be better. Unfortunately, Mel and his doctor failed to

pass the change in strategy onto us.

So, four months later, Mel got repeat vitamin D blood level: 19 ng/ml.

I've seen this too many times. The prescription form of vitamin D is

nonsense. There's hardly any effect on blood levels of vitamin D3 at all.

The body's conversion of this non-human form of D is extremely inefficient

and therefore virtually useless. While it raises the blood level of vitamin

D2 (ergocalciferol) and thereby total D (D3 + D2), there is negligible

effect on the real human and active form, D3.

How and why this preparation got through the FDA process to obtain approval

as a drug is beyond me, though I am not a defender of FDA practices and

politics.

This notion that " if it's a prescription, it must be better " is a fiction

perpetuated by the drug industry. The same principle gets tossed around with

fish oil, hormones like estrogens and testosterone, and others. Often, the

principal difference between prescription and non-prescription is patent

protection. Patent protection provides profit protection. Selling a product

without patent protection can be risky business. It's certainly less

profitable.

As always, getting at the truth is sometimes the most difficult job of all.

Prescription vitamin D belongs in the garbage. Vitamin D capsules (gel caps)

do the job and do it well, over and over, with reliable, consistent and

substantial rises in blood levels of 25-OH-vitamin D3. I take 6000 units per

day (3 2000 unit capsules) that cost me $5.99 for a bottle of 120 capsules,

or about $4.50 a month.

And nobody--nobody--pays me to say this. I say it because I believe it's

true.

--------------------------------------------

From what i understand Vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin, and these oil

based gels absorb better.

I would absolutely try to get your vitamin D level up to around 50-55ng/ml

for optimal protection against cancer, MS, Grave's, heart disease, etc. "

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Dusty

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:36 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Neil/Chuck

Neil/Chuck, I was just diagnosed Vit. D Deficient - blood level of 20. Doc

wanted me to take 50,000 IU for 6 weeks and be seen again. HOWEVER, when I

got to pharmacy and got patient insert - the pills have yellow dye (I'm

allergic) and soybean oil.

I can't use them because of the dye, but wouldn't the soybean oil be a

problem for all of us?

Do you know if I can use the dry Vitamin D OTC and try to get as much of

that into me as possible?

Dusty -

P.S. sorry if this is a duplicate - the first time I sent it didn't come

thro on my computer.