Re: /Painful breasts

January 14, 2008

I am postmenopausal, and stopped the Premprin I was on when the study reported

what

it had found. Now, my GYN says that I shouldn't start the estrogen again, in

any form.

Roni

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

I would advise against progesterone if you are a post menopausal

woman.

Progsterone/Progestins are the reason the Women's Health Iniative on

combined estrogens and progestins was cancelled, due to its contributing to

breast cancer increases. The estrogen alone study continued because it did

not increase the risk of breast cancer.

There are some excellent books on hormones by Dr. Vliet. Before

you take the word of anyone on this list (mine included) avail yourself of

some of this reading material. There are also studies posted on MEDSCAPE

(you join, but no fee) and other medical sites.

Dusty

Re: Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

iodine and progesterone.

seriously, iodine/iodide works miracles ( that's why we are warned not to

take it)

gracia

Hi Sam,

Since you mentioned it, about Fibrocystic Breast Disease: I noticed that my

boobs hurt like 2 weeks before my period, and this just started since taking

Armour, 6 months. Do you know what to do to stop that??

Thanks!!

Sam <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org> wrote:

It's not just that I have lost 2 parts of my endocrine system and

started with a clean slate. There was damage done and severe iodine

deficiency - fibrocystic breast disease, osteoporosis, DNA and NIS

damage from the RAI and stuff like that. I was sort of ok just

without ovaries/uterus, but the bottom dropped out when my healthy

thyroid was ablated.

Yea, I wish it was just " starting with a clean slate " ...it would have

been way easier to climb out of that pit of doom I was lolling in for

so long. :-O

Sam :-D

> >

> > I don't think it's so much what you're dosing for, as it

is " how " .

> You

> > could dose hypothyroidism by using cocaine and probably feel

pretty

> > good... For a while. In your case you're using a product that

treats

> > the underlying disease, so it works. At least for you. So you

> aren't

> > JUST treating symptoms; you're addressing the real problem.

> >

> > Note I said it has it's limitations; I didn't say it wouldn't

work.

> >

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

January 14, 2008

,

I have the same problem along with being big in that area and my

ob/gyn suggested evening primrose with vitamin E and it works great

for me.-it even worked on the cramping,headaches and bloating..

-- In hypothyroidism , " Dusty " <dusty@...> wrote:

>

> I would advise against progesterone if you are a post menopausal

woman.

> Progsterone/Progestins are the reason the Women's Health Iniative on

> combined estrogens and progestins was cancelled, due to its

contributing to

> breast cancer increases. The estrogen alone study continued

because it did

> not increase the risk of breast cancer.

>

> There are some excellent books on hormones by Dr.

Vliet. Before

> you take the word of anyone on this list (mine included) avail

yourself of

> some of this reading material. There are also studies posted on

MEDSCAPE

> (you join, but no fee) and other medical sites.

>

> Dusty

>

> Re: Re: Anyone with weight gain have

Liposuction?

>

> iodine and progesterone.

> seriously, iodine/iodide works miracles ( that's why we are warned

not to

> take it)

> gracia

>

> Hi Sam,

> Since you mentioned it, about Fibrocystic Breast Disease: I noticed

that my

> boobs hurt like 2 weeks before my period, and this just started

since taking

> Armour, 6 months. Do you know what to do to stop that??

> Thanks!!

>

> Sam <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org> wrote:

> It's not just that I have lost 2 parts of my endocrine system and

> started with a clean slate. There was damage done and severe iodine

> deficiency - fibrocystic breast disease, osteoporosis, DNA and NIS

> damage from the RAI and stuff like that. I was sort of ok just

> without ovaries/uterus, but the bottom dropped out when my healthy

> thyroid was ablated.

>

> Yea, I wish it was just " starting with a clean slate " ...it would

have

> been way easier to climb out of that pit of doom I was lolling in

for

> so long. :-O

>

> Sam :-D

>

> > >

> > > I don't think it's so much what you're dosing for, as it

> is " how " .

> > You

> > > could dose hypothyroidism by using cocaine and probably feel

> pretty

> > > good... For a while. In your case you're using a product that

> treats

> > > the underlying disease, so it works. At least for you. So you

> > aren't

> > > JUST treating symptoms; you're addressing the real problem.

> > >

> > > Note I said it has it's limitations; I didn't say it wouldn't

> work.

> > >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile.

> Try it now.

> >

January 14, 2008

Hi Joy,

Thank you for the email. How much of each do you take? How long did it take

before you noticed a difference?

)

Thanks!!

joy <jwalker8869@...> wrote:

,

I have the same problem along with being big in that area and my

ob/gyn suggested evening primrose with vitamin E and it works great

for me.-it even worked on the cramping,headaches and bloating..

-- In hypothyroidism , " Dusty " <dusty@...> wrote:

>

> I would advise against progesterone if you are a post menopausal

woman.

> Progsterone/Progestins are the reason the Women's Health Iniative on

> combined estrogens and progestins was cancelled, due to its

contributing to

> breast cancer increases. The estrogen alone study continued

because it did

> not increase the risk of breast cancer.

>

> There are some excellent books on hormones by Dr.

Vliet. Before

> you take the word of anyone on this list (mine included) avail

yourself of

> some of this reading material. There are also studies posted on

MEDSCAPE

> (you join, but no fee) and other medical sites.

>

> Dusty

>

> Re: Re: Anyone with weight gain have

Liposuction?

>

> iodine and progesterone.

> seriously, iodine/iodide works miracles ( that's why we are warned

not to

> take it)

> gracia

>

> Hi Sam,

> Since you mentioned it, about Fibrocystic Breast Disease: I noticed

that my

> boobs hurt like 2 weeks before my period, and this just started

since taking

> Armour, 6 months. Do you know what to do to stop that??

> Thanks!!

>

> Sam <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org> wrote:

> It's not just that I have lost 2 parts of my endocrine system and

> started with a clean slate. There was damage done and severe iodine

> deficiency - fibrocystic breast disease, osteoporosis, DNA and NIS

> damage from the RAI and stuff like that. I was sort of ok just

> without ovaries/uterus, but the bottom dropped out when my healthy

> thyroid was ablated.

>

> Yea, I wish it was just " starting with a clean slate " ...it would

have

> been way easier to climb out of that pit of doom I was lolling in

for

> so long. :-O

>

> Sam :-D

>

> > >

> > > I don't think it's so much what you're dosing for, as it

> is " how " .

> > You

> > > could dose hypothyroidism by using cocaine and probably feel

> pretty

> > > good... For a while. In your case you're using a product that

> treats

> > > the underlying disease, so it works. At least for you. So you

> > aren't

> > > JUST treating symptoms; you're addressing the real problem.

> > >

> > > Note I said it has it's limitations; I didn't say it wouldn't

> work.

> > >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile.

> Try it now.

> >

January 14, 2008

Hi Dusty,

Thanks so much for the info!! I get scared with any hormones, to tell you the

truth!! I just wish that I could figure all of this out. I will definately

look into these references.

I am in my mid 30's, but still am afraid of HRT. I have heard the same things

about breast cancer.

)

Thank you again,

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

I would advise against progesterone if you are a post menopausal

woman.

Progsterone/Progestins are the reason the Women's Health Iniative on

combined estrogens and progestins was cancelled, due to its contributing to

breast cancer increases. The estrogen alone study continued because it did

not increase the risk of breast cancer.

There are some excellent books on hormones by Dr. Vliet. Before

you take the word of anyone on this list (mine included) avail yourself of

some of this reading material. There are also studies posted on MEDSCAPE

(you join, but no fee) and other medical sites.

Dusty

Re: Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

iodine and progesterone.

seriously, iodine/iodide works miracles ( that's why we are warned not to

take it)

gracia

Hi Sam,

Since you mentioned it, about Fibrocystic Breast Disease: I noticed that my

boobs hurt like 2 weeks before my period, and this just started since taking

Armour, 6 months. Do you know what to do to stop that??

Thanks!!

Sam <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org> wrote:

It's not just that I have lost 2 parts of my endocrine system and

started with a clean slate. There was damage done and severe iodine

deficiency - fibrocystic breast disease, osteoporosis, DNA and NIS

damage from the RAI and stuff like that. I was sort of ok just

without ovaries/uterus, but the bottom dropped out when my healthy

thyroid was ablated.

Yea, I wish it was just " starting with a clean slate " ...it would have

been way easier to climb out of that pit of doom I was lolling in for

so long. :-O

Sam :-D

> >

> > I don't think it's so much what you're dosing for, as it

is " how " .

> You

> > could dose hypothyroidism by using cocaine and probably feel

pretty

> > good... For a while. In your case you're using a product that

treats

> > the underlying disease, so it works. At least for you. So you

> aren't

> > JUST treating symptoms; you're addressing the real problem.

> >

> > Note I said it has it's limitations; I didn't say it wouldn't

work.

> >

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

January 14, 2008

actually that is not entirely correct.

the study was terminated early because the Combined therapy of both estrogen

and progesterone was seen to increase the risk of breast cancer. we do NOT have

any info on whether progesterone ALONe causes breast cancer- because there has

NEVER been a study targeting it that.

nancie

here is the first source:

Does postmenopausal hormone treatment increase the risk of breast cancer?

Women who use postmenopausal hormone

treatment<http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/general/fs40.hormonescfm#1>

have a higher risk for breast cancer compared with women who do not use hormone

treatment. In the past, hormone treatment used

estrogen<http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/general/fs40.hormones.cfm#1>

alone and the effects of this treatment have been studied more extensively.

These early studies saw breast cancer risk increase the longer the length of the

estrogen treatment. Breast cancer risk among women who used hormone treatment,

increased about 2% for each year of use compared to women who did not use

hormones. When hormone treatment is stopped, risk falls to previous levels over

a period of five years. Today, most women who receive postmenopausal hormone

treatment use estrogen combined with

progesterone<http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/general/fs40.hormones.cfm\

#1>. A number of recent studies indicate a higher risk of breast cancer is

associated with this form of hormone treatment. These studies found that

estrogen with progesterone treatment increased breast cancer risk by 6% to 8%

for each year of use. Confirming these results, a large clinical trial examining

estrogen with progesterone treatment in healthy women, the Women's Health

Initiative, was recently ended prematurely because of an association of

excessive breast cancer risk with this treatment. Trials of this type are the

'gold standard' for examining drug effects and this early termination result

raises strong concern about the use of estrogen with progesterone as a

beneficial treatment for healthy women after menopause.

source:

http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/general/fs40.hormones.cfm<http://envir\

ocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/general/fs40.hormones.cfm>

________________________________________________________________________________\

_________________________

Estrogen plus Progestin Effects on Breast Cancer and Mammograms

June 2003

a.. Frequently asked questions<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php>

b.. Abstract of scientific paper in

JAMA<http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/289/24/3243>

Findings Summary

WHI study findings on the risk of breast cancer in women taking combined

estrogen plus progestin (E+P) were published in the July 2002 issue of the

Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). The E+P study continues to

be analyzed. Updated results (June 25 issue of JAMA) include data on additional

breast cancer cases, their characteristics, and mammogram results for women in

the study.

The 2002 report showed that more women taking E+P developed breast cancer than

those taking placebo (inactive) pills. This updated analysis shows that after an

average of 5.6 years, 245 of the 8,506 E+P women and 185 of the 8,102 women on

placebo developed breast cancer. Of the total cancers, 349 cases were invasive,

a type of breast cancer with a greater chance of spreading to other parts of the

body. The conclusions below are based on the invasive breast cancer group.

a.. The increased risk of breast cancer due to E+P was eight additional cases

of breast cancer for every 10,000 women over one year

b.. Overall, there was a 24% increase in the risk for breast cancer due to E+P

The breast cancers in the E+P group had similar characteristics (looked the same

under a microscope) to those in the placebo group. However, the tumors in the

E+P group tended to be larger and more advanced (had spread to the lymph nodes

or elsewhere in the body). A more advanced stage is usually associated with

poorer outcome. At this time, no direct statements can be made about the

prognosis of the breast cancer found in women taking E+P until more follow-up

information is collected.

After even one year, quite a few more women had abnormal mammograms in the E+P

group (9.4%) compared to the placebo group (5.4%); this pattern continued until

the study ended. An abnormal mammogram is a breast X-ray that results in a

recommendation for additional medical evaluation (most often, a shorter time

between mammograms, but sometimes, a breast biopsy or other tests). Although we

have known from other studies that E+P use increases the density of breast

tissue on mammograms, the increase in abnormal mammograms with E+P use seen in

this study is a new finding.

Further WHI studies are being done to learn what happens to breast cancer rates

and mammograms after E+P use is stopped.

source:

http://www.whi.org/findings/ht/eplusp_bc.php<http://www.whi.org/findings/ht/eplu\

sp_bc.php>

________________________________________________________________

Frequently Asked Questions about Estrogen plus Progestin and Breast Cancer

These questions and answers supplement the June 25, 2003 JAMA publication on E+P

and breast cancer.

1.. What were the main findings from the estrogen plus progestin and breast

cancer analyses?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#1>

2.. What is the increased risk for women taking E+P for breast

cancer?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#2>

3.. What were the main findings about E+P and

mammography?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#3>

4.. What are the conclusions from these

findings?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#4>

5.. What is breast cancer?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#5>

6.. What is in situ breast cancer?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#6>

7.. What is invasive breast cancer?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#7>

8.. What is a mammogram?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#8>

9.. What is an abnormal mammogram?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#9>

10.. What happens to breast cancer risk and the frequency of abnormal

mammograms after E+P use is discontinued?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#10>

11.. Was the effect of E+P on breast cancer different in women who had taken

menopausal hormone therapy before entering the WHI

study?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#11>

12.. What type of hormone treatment did women in the E+P study

take?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#12>

13.. Is there an increased risk of breast cancer and abnormal mammograms in

women taking estrogen alone (without progestin) or other E+P

formulas?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#13>

14.. Should I discuss this information with my healthcare provider?

<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#14>

15.. If I have an abnormal mammogram now, and have taken (or I still take)

E+P, what should I do?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#15>

16.. Was the effect of E+P on breast cancer different in women who had used

oral contraceptives in the past?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#16>

17.. I am taking prescription hormones. What should I

do?<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php#17>

1. What were the main findings from the estrogen plus progestin and breast

cancer analyses?

Answer: More women who took estrogen plus progestin (E+P) developed breast

cancer than women taking placebo (inactive pills). The cancer cases found in

women taking E+P had similar characteristics (looked the same under the

microscope), but the tumors were larger and had spread more throughout the body

than those in the placebo group.

2. What is the increased risk for women taking E+P for breast cancer?

Answer: A woman is more likely to develop breast cancer if she is taking E+P.

For every 10,000 women taking estrogen plus progestin, 41 women each year will

develop breast cancer as compared to 33 women per year who would develop breast

cancer while taking placebo. While this difference in risk is important, the

overall risk to an individual woman remains small.

The breast cancer cases which developed in women taking E+P were larger and more

advanced; about 25% had spread to lymph nodes or elsewhere in the body, compared

to 16% of women on placebo.

3. What were the main findings about E+P and mammography?

Answer: After just one year of taking E+P, a woman was much more likely to have

an abnormal mammogram compared to a woman taking placebo. In the E+P group, 9.4%

of women had an abnormal mammogram after one year, compared with 5.4% in the

placebo group. The increased rate of abnormal mammograms continued until the

study ended.

A woman's chance of having an abnormal mammogram resulting from E+P use was

about 1 in 25 for one year's use, and about 1 in 10 after 5½ years of use.

4. What are the conclusions from these findings?

Answer: Use of E+P increases the rate of more advanced breast cancer compared

with placebo and substantially increases the rate of abnormal mammograms. As a

result, abnormal mammograms in women receiving menopausal hormone therapy need

closer attention. The increased frequency of abnormal mammograms is a newly

found negative effect of even short-term E+P use. These findings should be

considered in the discussion of risks and benefits for women considering E+P use

for any amount of time.

5. What is breast cancer?

Answer: Breast cancer is a disease in which abnormal breast cells divide without

control and can spread to other parts of the body.

6. What is in situ breast cancer?

Answer: In situ is an early cancer where abnormal breast cells are confined to

the ducts or lobules in the breast. There are two forms, ductal carcinoma (DCIS)

and lobular carcinoma in situ (LCIS).

7. What is invasive breast cancer?

Answer: Invasive breast cancer involves abnormal breast cells which have spread

outside the breast duct or lobule where they began. This type of cancer accounts

for 80% of breast cancer cases. When the term " breast cancer " is used, it

generally means invasive breast cancer.

8. What is a mammogram?

Answer: A mammogram is an X-ray of the breast.

9. What is an abnormal mammogram?

Answer: An abnormal mammogram is a breast X-ray with characteristics leading the

radiologist to recommend some additional testing, either another mammogram

within 6 months, or occasionally other procedures. A recommendation to have a

repeat mammogram seldom results in a cancer diagnosis. Some characteristics

seen on a mammogram are suspicious enough to indicate that additional tests

(like a biopsy) are needed. These tests are more likely to result in a cancer

diagnosis.

An abnormal mammogram report is not the same as an incomplete mammogram report.

Quite often, a woman may be called back after a mammogram to have additional

X-rays taken, have an additional non-invasive procedure performed (such as an

ultrasound) or be asked to provide earlier mammograms for comparisons. These

evaluations are needed to better understand the current mammogram, and by

themselves do not signal an abnormal mammogram.

10. What happens to breast cancer risk and the frequency of abnormal mammograms

after E+P use is discontinued?

Answer: WHI researchers will be looking at these issues in future analyses, so

information is not yet available. Observational studies have suggested that

breast cancer risk will diminish over time.

To date, no studies have looked at what effect stopping E+P use has on abnormal

mammograms. There have been some studies about breast density change and

menopausal hormone therapy use. Increased mammogram density has been linked to

E+P use. In observational studies, mammogram density has been shown to decrease

when E+P use is stopped. It remains to be seen whether abnormal mammograms will

change when E+P use is stopped.

11. Was the effect of E+P on breast cancer different in women who had taken

menopausal hormone therapy before entering the WHI study?

Answer: There was a trend for somewhat higher risk in women in the E+P group who

reported prior menopausal hormone use. Whenever researchers examine factors like

this within a randomized trial, the analyses and interpretation become more

complex. Prior hormone use was not randomized and so other factors associated

with hormone use must be considered when analyzing this relationship. Though

there appears to be some relation between prior hormone use and breast cancer,

WHI researchers will be examining this in more detail to gain confidence in

their interpretation.

12. What type of hormone treatment did women in the E+P study take?

Answer: Women randomized (assigned by chance) to active hormones were taking one

tablet containing conjugated equine estrogens (0.625 mg) and medroxyprogesterone

acetate (2.5 mg) each day (PremproT). When WHI first began, this was the most

commonly prescribed menopausal hormonal therapy in the United States for women

with a uterus.

13. Is there an increased risk of breast cancer and abnormal mammograms in women

taking estrogen alone (without progestin) or other E+P formulas?

Answer: The current report addresses only the issue of E+P use in the form of

pills. Final results from the ongoing Estrogen-Alone (E-Alone) study are unknown

at this time. Importantly, the WHI investigators have been told that, as of May

31, 2002, no increase in breast cancer has been seen in the E-alone WHI trial.

Participants in the E-Alone study are asked to continue to take their study

pills and to come for their regular clinic visits. The National Heart, Lung, and

Blood Institute, which oversees WHI, continues to review the study for women

receiving E-Alone, and they will provide investigators and participants with any

new information about the study that might affect their participation

This information has been superceded by the 2004 Hormone Program

Update.<http://www.whi.org/updates/update_hrt2004.php>

14. Should I discuss this information with my healthcare provider?

Answer: Yes. Your healthcare provider may read the scientific paper in the June

25, 2003 issue of JAMA, or you may direct your provider to this web site. Your

provider may also want to speak with your local WHI Principal Investigator about

these results.

15. If I have an abnormal mammogram now, and have taken (or I still take) E+P,

what should I do?

Answer: Talk with your healthcare provider about your individual situation in

light of the WHI results.

Additional breast imaging tests may help in evaluating women with abnormal

mammograms, such as a nuclear medicine test (scintimammography) or Magnetic

Resonance Imaging (MRI); your mammography provider should have information about

these tests. However, no approach has been evaluated for women with abnormal

mammograms related to E+P use.

16. Was the effect of E+P on breast cancer different in women who had used oral

contraceptives in the past?

Answer: The analyses done so far do not suggest that use of oral contraceptives

had any important influence on the breast cancer findings. Less than half of the

women in this study had ever used oral contraceptives and the length of use was

often relatively short (less than 5 years). With the small number of breast

cancer cases that occurred in these women, these data do not provide a very

clear answer to this question.

17. I am taking prescription hormones. What should I do?

Answer: Talk with your healthcare provider about your individual risk profile

and the hormones you are currently taking in light of the WHI results.

source: http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php<http://www.whi.org/faq/faq_bc.php>

/Painful breasts

I would advise against progesterone if you are a post menopausal woman.

Progsterone/Progestins are the reason the Women's Health Iniative on

combined estrogens and progestins was cancelled, due to its contributing to

breast cancer increases. The estrogen alone study continued because it did

not increase the risk of breast cancer.

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Correct in that synthetic sex hormones are bad bad bad news.

WIH study only looked at synthetic sex hormones, not at any of the

bio-identicals. So far the bio-identicals have proven to be safe as

long as they are not abused as in the wiley protocol which

recommended huge overdosages of progesterone and estradiol.

Sam

>

> I would advise against progesterone if you are a post menopausal

woman.

> Progsterone/Progestins are the reason the Women's Health Iniative on

> combined estrogens and progestins was cancelled, due to its

contributing to

> breast cancer increases. The estrogen alone study continued

because it did

> not increase the risk of breast cancer.

>

> There are some excellent books on hormones by Dr.

Vliet. Before

> you take the word of anyone on this list (mine included) avail

yourself of

> some of this reading material. There are also studies posted on

MEDSCAPE

> (you join, but no fee) and other medical sites.

>

> Dusty

January 14, 2008

I don't think you are being well served by a gyno who doesn't know what

estrogen does, and how it affects fibro. There are good books on hormones like

Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD.

Gracia

I am postmenopausal, and stopped the Premprin I was on when the study reported

what

it had found. Now, my GYN says that I shouldn't start the estrogen again, in

any form.

Roni

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8:23 PM

January 14, 2008

this study used PROGESTINS which we know are dangerous,

not progesterone.