Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I only take hydrocortisone and adreset for adrenal fatigue. I am not on anything for thyroid. I had a saliva test done and the results of that are: estradiol <0.5 range: 0.5-1.7 progesterone <5 12-100 ratio:Pg/E2 10L 100-500 Testosterone 29 16-55 DHEAS 3.6 2-23 Cortisol Morning 2.0L 3.7-9.5 Noon 1.0L 1.2-3.0 Evening 1.4 0.6-1.9 night 0.2 0.4-1.0 Due to this test the prescribed 5mg hydrocortisone morning and night, and adreset which is a herbal supplement for the adrenal. I have been on this for a month and I still do not feel better. They are tell me the thyroid test is normal, so I must just be depressed and pushed more anti-depressants. I am not depressed, I am exhausted. So I dont know what to do from here. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 , Are you medicated? T3 uptake is a measure of the binding proteins. Having this low is a GOOD thing if you are hypoT. Your TSH should be compared to the range 0.3 to 3.0, but that makes it high-normal, UNLESS you are taking meds. Chuck > > hi all, Chuck asked for test results, so here they are. > > test normal range > T4-total 7.7 4.5-12.5 > T3-uptake 26.0 L 27.8-40.7 > T4 free 2.0 1.6-3.7 > TSH 2.58 0.40-4.50 > > Sodium 136 135-146 > potassium 4.3 3.5-5.3 > Chloride 100 98-110 > Carbon Dioxide 25 21-33 > Urea Nit. 12 7-25 > Creatninine 0.88 0.50-1.20 > Bun 13.6 6-22 > calcium 9.8 8.6-10.2 > protien 7.6 8.6-10.2 > Albumin 4.7 3.6-5.1 > Globulin 2.9 2.2-3.9 > A/G ratio 1.6 1.0-2.1 > Bilirubin 0.2 0.2-1.2 > AST 37 H 10-30 > ALT 51 H 6-40 > > Choloesterol 269 H 125-200 > Triglycerides 740 H <150 > HDL Cholesterol 39 >39 > Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 6.9 0.0-5.0 > > They said everything was normal except the cholesterol. They said > nothing about the elevated liver enzymes, or the low T-3 uptake. Any > thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > T > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 chuck- the new upper range for TSH is 5.0 nancie Re: newbee test results , Are you medicated? T3 uptake is a measure of the binding proteins. Having this low is a GOOD thing if you are hypoT. Your TSH should be compared to the range 0.3 to 3.0, but that makes it high-normal, UNLESS you are taking meds. Chuck > > hi all, Chuck asked for test results, so here they are. > > test normal range > T4-total 7.7 4.5-12.5 > T3-uptake 26.0 L 27.8-40.7 > T4 free 2.0 1.6-3.7 > TSH 2.58 0.40-4.50 > > Sodium 136 135-146 > potassium 4.3 3.5-5.3 > Chloride 100 98-110 > Carbon Dioxide 25 21-33 > Urea Nit. 12 7-25 > Creatninine 0.88 0.50-1.20 > Bun 13.6 6-22 > calcium 9.8 8.6-10.2 > protien 7.6 8.6-10.2 > Albumin 4.7 3.6-5.1 > Globulin 2.9 2.2-3.9 > A/G ratio 1.6 1.0-2.1 > Bilirubin 0.2 0.2-1.2 > AST 37 H 10-30 > ALT 51 H 6-40 > > Choloesterol 269 H 125-200 > Triglycerides 740 H <150 > HDL Cholesterol 39 >39 > Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 6.9 0.0-5.0 > > They said everything was normal except the cholesterol. They said > nothing about the elevated liver enzymes, or the low T-3 uptake. Any > thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > T > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nancie, You wrote: > > > the new upper range for TSH is 5.0 Many labs still use that, but it's the old range. At one time it was even higher, 5.5 and even 6.0. I suppose it depends on which professional society you ask. In late 2002, the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry (NACB) issued new guidelines for the diagnosis and monitoring of thyroid disease. In the guidelines, the NACB reported that the then current TSH reference range was too wide and actually may include people with thyroid disease. When screening with the more sensitive test was done, which excluded people with thyroid disease, 95 percent of the population tested actually had a TSH level between 0.4 and 2.5. The NACB guidelines led to a recommendation in January 2003 by the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE), calling for doctors to " consider treatment for patients who test outside the boundaries of a narrower margin based on a target TSH level of 0.3 to 3.0. " Here are the recommendations of the American Society of Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemists: http://www.nacb.org/lmpg/thyroid_lmpg_pub.stm http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ & sdn=thyroid & zu=http%3A%2\ F%2Fwww.nacb.org%2Flmpg%2Fthyroid_LMPG_PDF.stm You might also want the associated research references: http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/tsh/tshmedrefs4.php#supp http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/osteoporosis.htm Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 hmm I just saw my new MD, prudence hall who said that is the range limit they are back to. according to her they are back to using that as an upper limit. but I will ask her again. nancie Re: newbee test results Nancie, You wrote: > > > the new upper range for TSH is 5.0 Many labs still use that, but it's the old range. At one time it was even higher, 5.5 and even 6.0. I suppose it depends on which professional society you ask. In late 2002, the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry (NACB) issued new guidelines for the diagnosis and monitoring of thyroid disease. In the guidelines, the NACB reported that the then current TSH reference range was too wide and actually may include people with thyroid disease. When screening with the more sensitive test was done, which excluded people with thyroid disease, 95 percent of the population tested actually had a TSH level between 0.4 and 2.5. The NACB guidelines led to a recommendation in January 2003 by the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE), calling for doctors to " consider treatment for patients who test outside the boundaries of a narrower margin based on a target TSH level of 0.3 to 3.0. " Here are the recommendations of the American Society of Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemists: http://www.nacb.org/lmpg/thyroid_lmpg_pub.stm<http://www.nacb.org/lmpg/thyroid_l\ mpg_pub.stm> http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ & sdn=thyroid & zu=http%3A%2\ F%2Fwww.nacb.org%2Flmpg%2Fthyroid_LMPG_PDF.stm<http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynam\ ic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ & sdn=thyroid & zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nacb.org%2Flmpg%2Fthyroid\ _LMPG_PDF.stm> You might also want the associated research references: http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/tsh/tshmedrefs4.php#supp<http://www.altsupportt\ hyroid.org/tsh/tshmedrefs4.php#supp> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/osteoporosis.htm<http://www.thyroid-info.co\ m/articles/osteoporosis.htm> Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Did he/she seriously say that to you? You have high cholesterol because your free's are too low and your TSH is too high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HypoT causes high cholesterol and that idiot should deffinitely have known that. Up your meds!!! And deffinitely take some T3 if you aren't already. If that doc won't help you, fire him and find a new one. I think that I just threw up a little bit in my mouth I am so upset. Peace out, hi all, Chuck asked for test results, so here they are. test normal range T4-total 7.7 4.5-12.5 T3-uptake 26.0 L 27.8-40.7 T4 free 2.0 1.6-3.7 TSH 2.58 0.40-4.50 Sodium 136 135-146 potassium 4.3 3.5-5.3 Chloride 100 98-110 Carbon Dioxide 25 21-33 Urea Nit. 12 7-25 Creatninine 0.88 0.50-1.20 Bun 13.6 6-22 calcium 9.8 8.6-10.2 protien 7.6 8.6-10.2 Albumin 4.7 3.6-5.1 Globulin 2.9 2.2-3.9 A/G ratio 1.6 1.0-2.1 Bilirubin 0.2 0.2-1.2 AST 37 H 10-30 ALT 51 H 6-40 Choloesterol 269 H 125-200 Triglycerides 740 H <150 HDL Cholesterol 39 >39 Cholesterol/Cholesterol/<WBR>HDL R They said everything was normal except the cholesterol. They said nothing about the elevated liver enzymes, or the low T-3 uptake. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks T **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hmm, the first two links weren't going through for me but then again this laptop is really not so good. Nancie, You wrote: > > > the new upper range for TSH is 5.0 Many labs still use that, but it's the old range. At one time it was even higher, 5.5 and even 6.0. I suppose it depends on which professional society you ask. In late 2002, the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry (NACB) issued new guidelines for the diagnosis and monitoring of thyroid disease. In the guidelines, the NACB reported that the then current TSH reference range was too wide and actually may include people with thyroid disease. When screening with the more sensitive test was done, which excluded people with thyroid disease, 95 percent of the population tested actually had a TSH level between 0.4 and 2.5. The NACB guidelines led to a recommendation in January 2003 by the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE), calling for doctors to " consider treatment for patients who test outside the boundaries of a narrower margin based on a target TSH level of 0.3 to 3.0. " Here are the recommendations of the American Society of Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemists: _http://www.nacb.http://wwhttp://www.nahttp://_ (http://www.nacb.org/lmpg/thyroid_lmpg_pub.stm) _http://thyroid.http://thyhttp://thyrhttp://thyrohttp:// & sdn=sdn=<WB & zu=zu=<WB R>httzu=<WBR>httzu=<WBR>httzu=<WBR>htzu=<WBR>hzu=_ (http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ & sdn=thyroid & zu=http://w\ ww.nacb.org/lmpg/thyroid_ LMPG_PDF.stm) You might also want the associated research references: _http://www.altsuppohttp://wwwhttp://www.altsuhttp://www.a_ (http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/tsh/tshmedrefs4.php#supp) _http://www.thyroid-http://wwhttp://wwhttp://www.thhtt_ (http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/osteoporosis.htm) Chuck **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 That is not true and a terrible thing to say. The national endocrine something or other something last year said that it was 3.3. chuck- the new upper range for TSH is 5.0 nancie **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 yikes, this is a huge prob. so when a person has many symptoms of thyroid/adrenal probs, the TSH test supposedly rules it out, and we are on to other diseases. it's institutional ignorance. this is what happened to my mother. Gracia chuck- the new upper range for TSH is 5.0 nancie Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. FruitaBü Parents on teaching families how to eat healthy. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 excuse me but my MD told me that she is an expert in thyroid diseases and she uses armour! she- prudence Hall told me that the new upper limit is now back to 5.0 for the TSH. the mainstream medical profession is deluded in thinking there is less hypo T out there. BTW I am just the messenger- DO NOT KILL THE MESSENGER. NANCIE Re: newbee test results That is not true and a terrible thing to say. The national endocrine something or other something last year said that it was 3.3. chuck- the new upper range for TSH is 5.0 nancie **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489<http://bod\ y.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I am not on armour. They are telling me nothing is wrong. They said all my test were normal. I did not know about the liver enzymes until I requested a copy of my labs. I just recieved my order of Iodoral, so I will try that until I can get an appointment. It like pulling teeth to even see a doctor these days. They did give me zocor to get my cholesterol down. I dont like taking prescription meds, I would rather go with the natural approach but It was pretty high. The only thing I am taking now is bio-identical hormones, hydrocortisone for my adrenal (apperantly thats not working either), B- complex vitamins and a multi-vitamin, and vitamin C. I have never had any liver problems,hepatitis, or gallbladder problems. Not sure what is going on with that. I am calling another doctor in the morning. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hi T- I am a NP and I think you need to either see another provider and/or have them run your labs again. when I have a patient that has those results- I always re-run the labs to make sure it was not lab error. as far the results go: thyroid: you need to increase your armour dose. what dose are you on? I would increase it by only an 1/8 to a 1/4 grain increase and hold it there for at least 4 weeks [ but I am conservative with dosing increases] Chemistry panel: your liver functions are increased. which is a cause of concern. do you have history of liver problems? hepatitis? gall bladder disease? just looking at those numbers I am concerned about how your liver is functioning and that is why I would repeat the test. your cholesterol and Triglycerides are very high and need to be addressed asap. you could be a heart attack waiting to happen. but again I would re-run the tests to rule out lab error. I think you need to see a natural medicine provider or a very good herbalist for some cholesterol lowering medicine; eat lots of oatmeal; take omega-3 fatty acids; garlic; also acupuncture is very effective in these cases along with Chinese herbs; and lots of water. nancie hi all, Chuck asked for test results, so here they are. test normal range T4-total 7.7 4.5-12.5 T3-uptake 26.0 L 27.8-40.7 T4 free 2.0 1.6-3.7 TSH 2.58 0.40-4.50 Sodium 136 135-146 potassium 4.3 3.5-5.3 Chloride 100 98-110 Carbon Dioxide 25 21-33 Urea Nit. 12 7-25 Creatninine 0.88 0.50-1.20 Bun 13.6 6-22 calcium 9.8 8.6-10.2 protien 7.6 8.6-10.2 Albumin 4.7 3.6-5.1 Globulin 2.9 2.2-3.9 A/G ratio 1.6 1.0-2.1 Bilirubin 0.2 0.2-1.2 AST 37 H 10-30 ALT 51 H 6-40 Choloesterol 269 H 125-200 Triglycerides 740 H <150 HDL Cholesterol 39 >39 Cholesterol/Cholesterol/<WBR>HDL R They said everything was normal except the cholesterol. They said nothing about the elevated liver enzymes, or the low T-3 uptake. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks T Recent Activity a.. 15New Members<hypothyroidism/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbGltOX\ VpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm\ 1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTgxNDc2NQ--> Visit Your Group <hypothyroidism;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM2JzOWJqBF9TAzk3MzU5N\ zE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxM\ Tk5ODE0NzY1> Cancer Support on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12njl9c54/M=493064.12016247.12445656.10478265\ /D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199821966/A=4617368/R=0/SIG=11uofhk5p/\ *http://advision.webevents./cancersupport/index.html> Connect w/ others find help & share FruitaBü Parents Healthy Eating Zone<http://us.ard./SIG=12mhkt4cf/M=493064.12016231.124456479706571/D=g\ rphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199821966/A=4718981/R=0/SIG=11kunoe70/*htt\ p://advision.webevents./healthyeating/> A parenting resource on . Health Live Better Longer<http://us.ard./SIG=12mvufdpc/M=493064.12016303.12445695.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199821966/A=5008807/R=0/SIG=10q26t77l/*\ http://health./> Find new ways to stay healthy. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 are you menopausal?? because the other cholesterol results, thyroid results could be caused by menopause. I frequently see that in my patients who are menopausal. although the elevated liver enzymes are another story. are going to get them repeated?? also you should check out this web site http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/> while I don't agree with everything they say there, the majority I do. nancie. ps. I have HYPO T and I have premature menopause from chemo; and I take armour, I currently take 2.75 grains but I am still titrating upwards- just very slowly at 1/8 increases as advised by my MD, prudence hall; and holding for 6 weeks each dose increase. I am doing it that slow because I have lupus/sle which is an auto-immune multi-organ disease. Re: newbee test results I only take hydrocortisone and adreset for adrenal fatigue. I am not on anything for thyroid. I had a saliva test done and the results of that are: estradiol <0.5 range: 0.5-1.7 progesterone <5 12-100 ratio:Pg/E2 10L 100-500 Testosterone 29 16-55 DHEAS 3.6 2-23 Cortisol Morning 2.0L 3.7-9.5 Noon 1.0L 1.2-3.0 Evening 1.4 0.6-1.9 night 0.2 0.4-1.0 Due to this test the prescribed 5mg hydrocortisone morning and night, and adreset which is a herbal supplement for the adrenal. I have been on this for a month and I still do not feel better. They are tell me the thyroid test is normal, so I must just be depressed and pushed more anti-depressants. I am not depressed, I am exhausted. So I dont know what to do from here. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489<http://bod\ y.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 hi doc is not treating you properly for adrenals (( why doesn't doc know what he's doing?? you will need to take 5mg cortef 4 (four) times a day. you will need DHEA with it. gracia I only take hydrocortisone and adreset for adrenal fatigue. I am not on anything for thyroid. I had a saliva test done and the results of that are: estradiol <0.5 range: 0.5-1.7 progesterone <5 12-100 ratio:Pg/E2 10L 100-500 Testosterone 29 16-55 DHEAS 3.6 2-23 Cortisol Morning 2.0L 3.7-9.5 Noon 1.0L 1.2-3.0 Evening 1.4 0.6-1.9 night 0.2 0.4-1.0 Due to this test the prescribed 5mg hydrocortisone morning and night, and adreset which is a herbal supplement for the adrenal. I have been on this for a month and I still do not feel better. They are tell me the thyroid test is normal, so I must just be depressed and pushed more anti-depressants. I am not depressed, I am exhausted. So I dont know what to do from here. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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