Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 -- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > > > Any history of autoimmune conditions in the family? Diabetes? Any > ancestors that died early for unknown causes? Did you have any kind of > viral infection, such as mononucleosis or chicken pox? Did you eat a lot > of " health " foods, such as soy, tea, and cruciform vegetables? Any > complications with the pregnancy? Those are the usual suspects. > > Chuck Man Chuck, you keep bringing up the tea thing.....herbal IS ok right?! Just need reassurance. I was doomed. I had all of the above....amazing! Venizia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 venizia1948 wrote: > > Man Chuck, you keep bringing up the tea thing.....herbal IS ok right?! > Just need reassurance. " Herbal " is a broad umbrella, but I was thinking of regular tea, Camellia Sinensis, which is rich in fluoride. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 > > > > Man Chuck, you keep bringing up the tea thing.....herbal IS ok right?! > > Just need reassurance. > > " Herbal " is a broad umbrella, but I was thinking of regular tea, > Camellia Sinensis, which is rich in fluoride. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Joy, You wrote: > > >in one of the posts mono was mention? I had mono and the hepatitis > vaccines when I was doing clinicals for school. Did that just add fuel > to the fire??... Probably not much. Viral infections are known to sometimes trigger autoimmune reactions, but once they are started, they pretty much have a life of their own, whether or not you get an infection later. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Joy, is there any way that you can go to a doctor, allopathic or holistic, just to get a diagnosis so that you will at least have a starting point. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: no Joy you can figure it out pretty quickly and be well. I personally don't think 's syndrome is the answer though. it is not so difficult if you start with Iodoral, then add Armour and maybe adrenal meds. Gracia thanks chuck.. the more i read the posts, the more I get confused..what's your thought on the wilsons syndrome?? i have tried to look at it inbetween chasing 2little ones around and it sounds like me.but than alot of things posted on here sounds like me..and then some smack my thinking all to crap..i do know something isn't right and I guess I will spend the rest of my hypo life figuring it out.. Joy L Recent Activity a.. 15New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. Healthy Eating on A place for parents to share their ideas. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Joy, You wrote: > ..what's your thought > on the wilsons syndrome??... There are certainly folks who have symptoms, including low temperatures, while the TSH is in the low-normal range. Many are on this list. Just ask them. However, I think 's explanation and approach were developed in a time when T3 and especially FT3 could not be precisely measured. Consequently, we can now identify conversion and binding problems with real lab tests and not relatively imprecise and unreliable temperature/time readings. His theory was that the body gets stuck in a loop making too much RT3 instead of T3. However, there has never been any evidence in a controlled study to suggest that any such thing happens. To the contrary, there were several people reportedly injured in 2001 by treatments for 's. People do sometimes make too much RT3, but it is a reversible condition, depending on what causes it. Some do not make enough T3, and some simply have too much bound instead of free. The fact that these conditions may be helped by a source of T3 does mean that 's theory about why is even close to being correct. So, if you still have hypoT symptoms while taking enough T4 to get your TSH under 2, Armour or some other source of T3 could help. However, the right tests might save you some time figuring out how much you need. You should also bear in mind that there are other conditions that can cause hypothermia, including anemia, anorexia nervosa, Menkes, various deficiencies, and a number of different drugs. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 > > ..what's your thought > > on the wilsons syndrome??... > > There are certainly folks who have symptoms, including low temperatures, > while the TSH is in the low-normal range. Many are on this list. Just > ask them. > > However, I think 's explanation and approach were developed in a > time when T3 and especially FT3 could not be precisely measured. > Consequently, we can now identify conversion and binding problems with > real lab tests and not relatively imprecise and unreliable > temperature/time readings. His theory was that the body gets stuck in a > loop making too much RT3 instead of T3. However, there has never been > any evidence in a controlled study to suggest that any such thing > happens. To the contrary, there were several people reportedly injured > in 2001 by treatments for 's. > > People do sometimes make too much RT3, but it is a reversible condition, > depending on what causes it. Some do not make enough T3, and some simply > have too much bound instead of free. The fact that these conditions may > be helped by a source of T3 does mean that 's theory about why is > even close to being correct. > > So, if you still have hypoT symptoms while taking enough T4 to get your > TSH under 2, Armour or some other source of T3 could help. However, the > right tests might save you some time figuring out how much you need. You > should also bear in mind that there are other conditions that can cause > hypothermia, including anemia, anorexia nervosa, Menkes, various > deficiencies, and a number of different drugs. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Joy, being thyroidless is a whole new ball of wax. Your body needs real thyroid hormones at a full replaement dose (whatever amount that ends up being). I think when you are able to dose your Armour according to hypO symptoms returning, you will feel much better and will be able to dump that synthetic T3 drug (that stuff won't do you any good, by the way). I am very glad you joined the thyroidless group so you'll learn how to steer yourself in the proper direction. Sam (thyroidless since 1990) > > hey.. you make things so simple thanks for taking the time..I'm on > 120mg of armour now along with T3 100mcg BID still crashing though.. > my temp never get higher than 96 lowest its been is 94.5 I think i'm > in the range of the T3 group that bounds and not enough free. I go to > michigan on wed to see my doc. I'll ask again which one I am..Iwas > wondering I'm also hypercoagulable and when I was taking the heparin > and my blood was thinning I felt so so much better. I'm not a doc or > a rocket scientist by anymeans (truth be known I'm blonde hair and > blue eyes yeah heard the blonde jokes..) but if this all happens at a > cellular level if my blood is thick and full of toxins my cells > aren't getting the proper nutrients so inturn I'm not getting the > hormone's total effect right?? i may be way off base..right now my > life revolves spongebob and Dora (3yr 21mos) and 5th grade homework.. > joy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 joy, You wrote: > ...Iwas wondering I'm also hypercoagulable and when I was taking the heparin > and my blood was thinning I felt so so much better... That could be binding. Ask your doctor. Another suspect I forgot to mention was dioxin. That acts as a substitute for thyroxin. If you have ever been exposed, be sure to let your doctor know about it. I have an official SpongeBob Square Tie. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 > > ...Iwas wondering I'm also hypercoagulable and when I was taking the heparin > > and my blood was thinning I felt so so much better... > > That could be binding. Ask your doctor. > > Another suspect I forgot to mention was dioxin. That acts as a > substitute for thyroxin. If you have ever been exposed, be sure to let > your doctor know about it. > > I have an official SpongeBob Square Tie. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Chuck, is this worded correctly? > The fact that these conditions may be helped by a source of T3 does > mean that 's theory about why is > even close to being correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 wrote: > > > Chuck, is this worded correctly? > > > > > The fact that these conditions may be helped by a source of T3 does > > mean that 's theory about why is > > even close to being correct. Maybe. Maybe it's my high TSH! What I meant was that the " stuck RT3 " business does not seem to hold water, even though T3 may help some people who are cold all the time. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Somehow I was expecting a " not " in your statement; and it's not there... > > Re: Suspects > <hypothyroidism/message/34647;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaXI2MWt\ zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQ2NDcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTkzOTcxMA--> > > > > Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@... > <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Suspects> > gumbo482001 <gumbo482001> > > > Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:38 pm (PST) > > wrote: > > > > > > Chuck, is this worded correctly? > > > > > > > > > The fact that these conditions may be helped by a source of T3 does > > > mean that 's theory about why is > > > even close to being correct. > > Maybe. Maybe it's my high TSH! > > What I meant was that the " stuck RT3 " business does not seem to hold > water, even though T3 may help some people who are cold all the time. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 wrote: > > > Somehow I was expecting a " not " in your statement; and it's not there... > Sorry, it's there in my imagination. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Okay; I understand [MOL] the statement with a " not " in it. But not without the " not " . Is that not clear? [gggg] > > Re: Suspects > <hypothyroidism/message/34722;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcWRmdjZ\ 2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQ3MjIEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDAxNTM2Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@... > <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Suspects> > gumbo482001 <gumbo482001> > > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:13 pm (PST) > > wrote: > > > > > > Somehow I was expecting a " not " in your statement; and it's not there... > > > > Sorry, it's there in my imagination. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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