Re: New to Group and Thyroid questions

[Guest guest]

thresa,

You wrote:

>

> TSH 3.08 (lab normal less than 5)

> T3 103 (lab normal 85-205)

> T4 7.2 (lab normal 4.5-12)

>

> I have been doing some reading and from what I gather a TSH over 2

> is a reason for concern....

I would be inclined to agree with that if you were medicated (taking

thyroxines). However, for an initial screening, this would suggest that

any hypoT symptoms are probably temporary and due to the stress. You

should keep an eye on it, though.

There are lots of things that cause hypoT symptoms besides a dead

thyroid. You just don't get them all at once. Stress tends to exhaust

the adrenals, for example.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism unfortunately.

but 3? means there's a problem.

Gracia

thresa,

You wrote:

>

> TSH 3.08 (lab normal less than 5)

> T3 103 (lab normal 85-205)

> T4 7.2 (lab normal 4.5-12)

>

> I have been doing some reading and from what I gather a TSH over 2

> is a reason for concern....

I would be inclined to agree with that if you were medicated (taking

thyroxines). However, for an initial screening, this would suggest that

any hypoT symptoms are probably temporary and due to the stress. You

should keep an eye on it, though.

There are lots of things that cause hypoT symptoms besides a dead

thyroid. You just don't get them all at once. Stress tends to exhaust

the adrenals, for example.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism unfortunately.

> but 3? means there's a problem.

Nonsense. The reference range is determined for healthy people, with no

symptoms or thyroid medication. About 2/3rds will be below 3.0 (95%

below 5.0), so that means your statement is equivalent to saying that

1/3 of healthy asymptomatic people are secretly hypoT. It is possible

that someone with a 3 could be hypoT but rather unlikely, and the other

tests confirm that conclusion. Unless there is a solid constellation of

symptoms, it would be more productive to look for some other condition.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thresa,

As a newbie perhaps you might need to be made aware that those who have

medical degrees do not necessarily agree with Gracia; and vice versa...

As a matter of fact most doctors place great faith in TSH numbers; and

Gracia holds them all in contempt.

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Fri Jan 4, 2008 9:41 pm (PST)

>

>

> The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism unfortunately.

> but 3? means there's a problem.

> Gracia

>

> thresa,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > TSH 3.08 (lab normal less than 5)

> > T3 103 (lab normal 85-205)

> > T4 7.2 (lab normal 4.5-12)

> >

> > I have been doing some reading and from what I gather a TSH over 2

> > is a reason for concern....

>

> I would be inclined to agree with that if you were medicated (taking

> thyroxines). However, for an initial screening, this would suggest that

> any hypoT symptoms are probably temporary and due to the stress. You

> should keep an eye on it, though.

>

> There are lots of things that cause hypoT symptoms besides a dead

> thyroid. You just don't get them all at once. Stress tends to exhaust

> the adrenals, for example.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

But how do we know the people used to determine the TSH range were

not secretly hypO? How did they determine they were not hypO, by

running a TSH test on them? hahaha

Hey, remember when the upper range was 10?

My TSH on synthcrap was 6.something, and I was soooooo ill, and

apparently my idiot ex-doc was just fine with that number. Thankfully

I learned from online thyroid groups what the real deal was and ended

up getting myself healthy.

Sam

(almost 56 and quite a babe)

> >

> > The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism unfortunately.

> > but 3? means there's a problem.

>

> Nonsense. The reference range is determined for healthy people,

with no

> symptoms or thyroid medication. About 2/3rds will be below 3.0 (95%

> below 5.0), so that means your statement is equivalent to saying

that

> 1/3 of healthy asymptomatic people are secretly hypoT. It is

possible

> that someone with a 3 could be hypoT but rather unlikely, and the

other

> tests confirm that conclusion. Unless there is a solid

constellation of

> symptoms, it would be more productive to look for some other

condition.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

I've already privately emailed this young lady and given her links to

websites she can learn from.

Those of us who have been harmed permanently by doctors have learned

not to trust them so much anymore. Personally, I was dreadfully harmed

by people with medical degrees twice, and the last time was the worst.

The first time they accidently gave be a total hysterectomy when I was

a mere 21 years old. The second time, my healthy thyroid was destroyed

basically because my TSH was too low. What that stupid moron did to me

ruined my health and life.

Soooo, those who have medical degrees may not necessarily agree with

Gracia or me, but then again having a medical degree does not make a

stupid moron any less stupid.

Sam

>

> Thresa,

>

> As a newbie perhaps you might need to be made aware that those who

have

> medical degrees do not necessarily agree with Gracia; and vice

versa...

> As a matter of fact most doctors place great faith in TSH numbers;

and

> Gracia holds them all in contempt.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Chuck,,

I got you this time.... I thought I got digests, but I don't.. I did

go into my options and made it so if you emailed to make sure

you came to my inbox, maybe that was it... so I'll keep watching...

Bev

> >

> > The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism

unfortunately.

> > but 3? means there's a problem.

>

> Nonsense. The reference range is determined for healthy people,

with no

> symptoms or thyroid medication. About 2/3rds will be below 3.0

(95%

> below 5.0), so that means your statement is equivalent to saying

that

> 1/3 of healthy asymptomatic people are secretly hypoT. It is

possible

> that someone with a 3 could be hypoT but rather unlikely, and the

other

> tests confirm that conclusion. Unless there is a solid

constellation of

> symptoms, it would be more productive to look for some other

condition.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

So, babe that you are, if I am hypo, my TSH is very low, I'm taking 2 grains a

day, split

dose because it seems to start up the Afib when taken all at once, what do I

do to get

more, without making my heart flip out?

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

But how do we know the people used to determine the TSH range were

not secretly hypO? How did they determine they were not hypO, by

running a TSH test on them? hahaha

Hey, remember when the upper range was 10?

My TSH on synthcrap was 6.something, and I was soooooo ill, and

apparently my idiot ex-doc was just fine with that number. Thankfully

I learned from online thyroid groups what the real deal was and ended

up getting myself healthy.

Sam

(almost 56 and quite a babe)

> >

> > The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism unfortunately.

> > but 3? means there's a problem.

>

> Nonsense. The reference range is determined for healthy people,

with no

> symptoms or thyroid medication. About 2/3rds will be below 3.0 (95%

> below 5.0), so that means your statement is equivalent to saying

that

> 1/3 of healthy asymptomatic people are secretly hypoT. It is

possible

> that someone with a 3 could be hypoT but rather unlikely, and the

other

> tests confirm that conclusion. Unless there is a solid

constellation of

> symptoms, it would be more productive to look for some other

condition.

>

> Chuck

>

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[Guest guest]

crazy crazy crazy

so the residents at the group hoime with " normal " TSH and all symptoms of

congenital hypo, really don't need thyroid hormone and iodine after all?? when

I finally knew enough to ask what my TSH was and it was ONE something and I was

near death, and I had hypo symptoms all my life and only half a thyroid gland

b/c like Sam some idiot doc hurt me, I really didnt need thyroid meds after all?

there are books about this craziness.

Hypothyroidism the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD

Hypothyroidim type 2 the Epidemic by M ark Starr MD

Gracia

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism unfortunately.

> but 3? means there's a problem.

Nonsense. The reference range is determined for healthy people, with no

symptoms or thyroid medication. About 2/3rds will be below 3.0 (95%

below 5.0), so that means your statement is equivalent to saying that

1/3 of healthy asymptomatic people are secretly hypoT. It is possible

that someone with a 3 could be hypoT but rather unlikely, and the other

tests confirm that conclusion. Unless there is a solid constellation of

symptoms, it would be more productive to look for some other condition.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Well, you could test cortisol(24hr saliva) and aldosterone/renin, and

TREAT those adrenals of yours the right way and all the way... aldosterone,

aldosterone,

aldosterone...and cortisol rhythm...

Sam

(I have so been there, done that)

> > >

> > > The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism unfortunately.

> > > but 3? means there's a problem.

> >

> > Nonsense. The reference range is determined for healthy people,

> with no

> > symptoms or thyroid medication. About 2/3rds will be below 3.0 (95%

> > below 5.0), so that means your statement is equivalent to saying

> that

> > 1/3 of healthy asymptomatic people are secretly hypoT. It is

> possible

> > that someone with a 3 could be hypoT but rather unlikely, and the

> other

> > tests confirm that conclusion. Unless there is a solid

> constellation of

> > symptoms, it would be more productive to look for some other

> condition.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group, I know you posted this a while ago but I am like 200

posts behind, so sorry for the delay lol. I would deffinitely suggest

medication. Your free's are too low. Even though they are in the " normal

range " if

they are kinda low it can affect you. Have you researched the symtoms of

hypothyroidism? Do any of them sound like you? Is there anything else that the

doc

tested for that you didn't post here? Did he test for antibodies? That's super

im

portant. Take care, and I want to hear more from you!

(Diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroiditis a little over a year ago with a TSH

of 43!!)

Hello everyone, my name is Thresa. I just joined this group for

several reasons. My grandmother, mom and sister are all

Hypothyroid. My sister has Hashimoto's disease, which came on after

6 months after having her first child when she was having a very

stressful time at her demanding job (not sure if that is what caused

it). I just had some blood work done and I am concerned with my

thyroid levels. The doctor was not concerned at all. I am a 32 years

old female and am ideal weight and in good shape. Should I be

concerned about the following levels?

TSH 3.08 (lab normal less than 5)

T3 103 (lab normal 85-205)

T4 7.2 (lab normal 4.5-12)

I have been doing some reading and from what I gather a TSH over 2

is a reason for concern. I'm not sure what is ideal for T3 and T4.

My holistic chiropractor has me taking standard process organically

bound minerals (basically kelp and alfalfa juice)….he thinks this

will resolve the high TSH because of the iodine. I am reading some

conflicting information that iodine (even kelp) might make my

thyroid worse.

So at my current level should I be able to correct the problem

without the use of thyroid medications? I was under a lot of stress

when I had the blood work done. I was moving into a new house and

trying to sell my other house. I am hoping that this may have had

something to do with the reading be on the high side, and I really

hope that it is still correctable without medicine. I would like

some more opinions and advice and someone to explain what an ideal

T3 and T4 would be. Should I have some additional blood work done?

Thanks so much in advance for the advice.

**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

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[Guest guest]

Didn't you notice that he said these ranges are for healthy people;

which you certainly were not? So it would not apply to you...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:13 am (PST)

>

>

> crazy crazy crazy

> so the residents at the group hoime with " normal " TSH and all symptoms

> of congenital hypo, really don't need thyroid hormone and iodine after

> all?? when I finally knew enough to ask what my TSH was and it was ONE

> something and I was near death, and I had hypo symptoms all my life

> and only half a thyroid gland b/c like Sam some idiot doc hurt me, I

> really didnt need thyroid meds after all?

> there are books about this craziness.

> Hypothyroidism the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD

> Hypothyroidim type 2 the Epidemic by M ark Starr MD

> Gracia

>

> Gracia,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > The TSH test is completely bogus for hypothyroidism unfortunately.

> > but 3? means there's a problem.

>

> Nonsense. The reference range is determined for healthy people, with no

> symptoms or thyroid medication. About 2/3rds will be below 3.0 (95%

> below 5.0), so that means your statement is equivalent to saying that

> 1/3 of healthy asymptomatic people are secretly hypoT. It is possible

> that someone with a 3 could be hypoT but rather unlikely, and the other

> tests confirm that conclusion. Unless there is a solid constellation of

> symptoms, it would be more productive to look for some other condition.

>

> Chuck