Re: Need advice onmy last tests/Nancie or anyone

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Should I ask my Doc to keep me on the 90 and take it an hour before I

eat and see what happens or should I ask him to raise it to 105 and see

what happens? That is if he wants to work with me. Could that maybe

make them all come into range?

Betty

> > > >

> > > > ... June 18

> > > > TSH in range 5.050

> > > > FT4 out of range 0.6

> > > > T3 Total in range1.1

> > > >

> > > > Can someone tell me if I do need to get off the armour....

> > >

> > > You need more, but you also need to take it correctly, at least

two

> > > hours after or one hour before food. Thirty minutes isn't enough.

> > >

> > > Chuck

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[Guest guest]

I cannot take 3 grains. I was able to get to 150 and that was it. I tried the

180 and ended up in the hospital. I did not even feel well on 150. The best

for me was 120. I never felt that good in my life. I took that with food and

my tests came back to high and that is why he lowered them again.

Betty

>

>

> really you will need 3--5 grains to feel well. your prob is that the doc

does not know how to dose Armour.

> Gracia

>

[Guest guest]

My guess is that you should increase your dose; but be aware I have no

medical expertise whatsoever. I doubt personally that food interference

changes things by a very large percentage; but I could well be wrong [i

think all the experts disagree with me. Strange; as much as I butt

heads with Gracia she probably agrees with me here]. I know some

things [iron???; calcium???] are supposed to cause great problems with

your hypothyroidism medications.

I personally take 75 mcg Synthroid with 5 other pills every night and

pay no attention whatsoever to interactions with them or with food. As

always, YMMV...

Luck,

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> Posted by: " myirishcottage " bjshamrock@...

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> myirishcottage <myirishcottage>

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> Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:52 pm (PDT)

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> Should I ask my Doc to keep me on the 90 and take it an hour before I

> eat and see what happens or should I ask him to raise it to 105 and see

> what happens? That is if he wants to work with me. Could that maybe

> make them all come into range?

>

> Betty

>

>

> >

> > yes.

> >

> >

> > From: myirishcottage

> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:47 PM

> > hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> > Subject: Re: Need advice onmy last tests/Gracia

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> >

> > Ok, So when you are not taking enough armour the tsh goes up, but

> > when you are it goes down?

> >

> > Betty

[Guest guest]

To hopefully NOT feel like crap for another 6 weeks??? But your advice

may be the only thing that will work...

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> Posted by: " nancie barnett " deifspirit@...

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

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> Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:11 pm (PDT)

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> why not keep it where it is and do the new instructions for 6 weeks-

> after that time if you still feel like crap and your numbers still

> look bad- then you will have more leverage with him. it sounds like he

> is reluctant to give you a higher dose right now...

>

> From: myirishcottage

> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:52 PM

> hypothyroidism

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> Subject: Re: Need advice onmy last tests/Nancie or anyone

>

> Should I ask my Doc to keep me on the 90 and take it an hour before I

> eat and see what happens or should I ask him to raise it to 105 and see

> what happens? That is if he wants to work with me. Could that maybe

> make them all come into range?

>

> Betty

[Guest guest]

Be aware that Gracia's " prescription " is the same for everyone;

regardless of tests or often even of symptoms. Not recommended by most

people; we're all different. IMHO.

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> Posted by: " myirishcottage " bjshamrock@...

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> myirishcottage <myirishcottage>

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> Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:26 pm (PDT)

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> I cannot take 3 grains. I was able to get to 150 and that was it. I

> tried the

> 180 and ended up in the hospital. I did not even feel well on 150. The

> best

> for me was 120. I never felt that good in my life. I took that with

> food and

> my tests came back to high and that is why he lowered them again.

>

> Betty

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> >

> >

> > really you will need 3--5 grains to feel well. your prob is that the

> doc

> does not know how to dose Armour.

> > Gracia

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, Chuck. I certainly won't argue with you. But as you may remember

I'm on 75 mcg Synthroid and my TSH lowered from 6.xx to 2.xx in a range

of... Darn, I can't find it; I think it was something like2.xx or 3.xx

to 5.5 or 5.6. So my TSH is within range and I have no hypothyroidism

symptoms. Given this I suspect that if I carefully took the Synthroid

properly I could reduce the dose a bit. But it's a bit easier for a

lazy person to take a bit more and not worry about the loss. Or am I

looking at this all wrong???

One strange result that I received on other bloodwork recently was a

carbon dioxide reading of 20 [L] in a range of 21-33 mmol/L. What the

heck would make the blood carbon dioxide level be low???

Thanks,

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> Posted by: " gumboyaya@... " gumboyaya@...

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> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

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> Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:03 pm (PDT)

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> ,

>

> You wrote:

> > ... I doubt personally that food interference

> > changes things by a very large percentage; but I could well be wrong [i

> > think all the experts disagree with me. ...

>

> Indeed they do.

>

> Studies with various mammals have shown that even under the best

> circumstances, you only absorb about 80% of your swallowed dose. This

> is mainly due to complexes formed with proteins, particularly the

> binding globulin and albumen enzymes that diffuse from the blood into

> the digestive tract. Since food contributes additional proteins and

> slows the absorption of the dose by dilution and other effects, it can

> reduce absorption to 40% or less. That's the equivalent of cutting

> your dose in half.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

I agree that she may be forced into the action you suggested; but I was

responding specifically to your question: " ..why not keep it where it

is and do the new instructions for 6 weeks- " . All the while realizing

it may not be possible/feasible; but if she has an option she might well

consider it to avoid feeling like crap for another month and a half.

Anyway, quite a few here report feeling like crap even though the

numbers look acceptable. What kind of position is she going to be in if

she feels like crap for 6 weeks and the numbers AREN'T really bad?

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> Posted by: " nancie barnett " deifspirit@...

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

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> Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:42 pm (PDT)

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> look- she is going to feel awful- but instead of her fighting with her

> doc NOW- it more Prudent to wait another 6 weeks and then get a

> retest- then the labs will most likely look pretty bad and in combo

> with her symptoms will enable her to have a better position

> negotiating for a higher dose. I am under the impression that he will

> not give her the higher dose at the present time.

> Unless, she wants to spend money to buy armour internationally and

> speed ship it here so she can self- treat or find a natural MD asap-

> she has no other choice, right now.

> of course it sucks all the way around- but what is she supposed to do?

>

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> To hopefully NOT feel like crap for another 6 weeks??? But your advice

> may be the only thing that will work...

>

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> > Posted by: " nancie barnett " deifspirit@...

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> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1

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> > Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:11 pm (PDT)

> >

> > why not keep it where it is and do the new instructions for 6 weeks-

> > after that time if you still feel like crap and your numbers still

> > look bad- then you will have more leverage with him. it sounds like he

> > is reluctant to give you a higher dose right now...

> >