Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 that would be great! I could draw attention to what happens to these ppl--actually I will do it someday, and I will testify to what I have seen. It is so outrageous--watch for me on Oprah. Gracia she has been very lucky that none of the medical providers where she works have written her up for practicing medicine without a license. if they wanted to- they could call the cops on her. Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Chuck I am unfamiliar with the ^---hmmm I guess I don't know where to find it either. whatever, you are not getting enough iodine! I give my 10 lb minischnauzers 6.25mg per day. It has really helped them. I love math but I am poorly educated in it. but my father graduated from MIT at the age of 20 with two engineering degrees. Gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > atoms/molecules vs milligrams. Do you just take a molecule of Armour? My daily dose of levothyroxine, contains about 4 x 10^17 atoms of iodine, when the RDA only contains about 17 x 10^17. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 > > Docs are only as good as the info they are given from the patient or the > patients medical history and current testing. Docs can't win - if we come to them right after > having had a baby and say we can't lose weight he's a drug pusher if he > tries to help with some kind of meds - but if he sends us home with a > prescription to eat less then he's insensitive or under educated or arrogant > or whatever. Actually I agree - it is VERY difficult to diagnose and a lot of patients don't have a clue. BUT - I've also found that many don't spend any TIME and they don't LISTEN if you Do try to explain. Personally I am very well read - I have studied and learned and have a ton of books - I know not everyone is like that - but it does mean that I have learned to catch a lot of nonsense when it's pushed at me and I'm dismissed. I am also convinced that most drugs for chronic illness are dangerous - one needs to find out the CAUSE of things and treat that! But they want to discount NUTRIENTS as useless and they want to dismiss the idea that toxins contribute much to problems. Garbage in/Garbage out - they just don't believe it. As to weight loss - the thing I was told - if they trained them in nutrition they would KNOW that 1200 calories of typical american diet will NOT fulfill all the nutritional needs of a person - especially one that is trying to breast feed! But many continue to spew out this same stuff " just eat a balanced diet.... " - most people have no idea what that is (often including the doctor) and the doctors don't ask. As a child I lived at a gas station and was addited to cola (I don't even drink it now) - and ate a lot of junk - we rarely had vegetables and fruits except potatoes. I got little fiber. Yet they never asked my mother about my diet and tried to treat constipation with prescription laxatives, cavities (from junk food and insufficient dental hygiene) with flouride tablets, and canker sores with prescription Iron (when one of the things I DID eat tons of was meat) - they never TESTED for deficiencies either. The awful nerves, constant colds, poor sleep - (caffiene from soda and all the other things) - they tested my thyroid because it was already enlarged and blood tests were normal. I could write a book about such things that are my and other experiences. As to my doctor " grandstanding " - because he diagnosed me - nope - I already knew I had hashis when I went to him - I told HIM. And we tried some detox and nutrients (I was deficient from not absorbing them even though I already supplemented)and I have high levels of heavy metals (there are several reasons for this) that we have been getting rid of. But the thyroid didn't respond and I ASKED for Armour - we even had discussions about that because I felt the need for more then he was totally comforatble with - but he has let me do it my way because I don't have hyper symptoms. When my blood tests came back slightly OVER I cut my dose a little on my own. He has admitted he learned from me - he has admitted when he was wrong and he never claims to know everything. If I ask a question that he doesn't know he will say so - for some things he has said " we don't know - there isn't enough research " - it's all about being a PARTNER in this. Yet I know the average patient doesn't really want to know much and they just want a quick fix - so patients are also the problem. But I do think that the way they are taught - not much on nutrition, too much drug company propaganda, etc. and too much assembly line in and out (partly to blame from managed care) - needs to change. But patients need to change too and a good many won't do it! I am positve there are alternative practitioners that are doing awful things too - no doubt. That's why using good judgement and being informed is important. For my part I was going down hill and now I'm going up hill and I feel like I have some control over my own destiny which I did not have before when I would complain and get either a blank stare or a shake of the head like what I was saying just wasn't so when I KNEW it was! And I was always willing to tell them everything - if they took the time to listen - but was made to feel like I needed to hurry up and get it out in ten seconds! I have a friend that went to her doctor and told her one of her problems and when she started to tell her the next complaint she was told " oh - we only take care of ONE thing at a time - if you want to discuss THAT symptom you need to make another appointment " - is this right?? And can't a variety of symptoms - if all considered together with intelligence often lead to a REAL diagnosis. She has been mis- diagnosed several times and they keep changing it - all because they won't listen to the whole picture and take the whole person into consideration. Her husband had died after a lenghtly illness (again one that probably shouldn't have happened and I have a lot of reasons for saying that) - all she did was mention that she missed him (a pretty normal statement a month after losing your husband) and right away they want to put her on antidepressants. She was funtioning quite well under the circumstances and that was the last thing she needed! I don't expect perfection, I don't expect them to get it right every time the first time and I don't think all things have ONE easy answer - and what I've experienced NOW is the kind of open minded, knowledgable taking time to sort though everything and try to find the best answers without resorting to drugs to mask symptoms. As an example - for muscle pain (mild fibro symptoms) - what I got years ago when I mentioned this - touching a couple of spots and then a prescription for arthritis meds - like I want to take THAT all the time! And they didn't help anyway! So I lived with the pain. Now it's gone unless I really overdo something. I'm also 40 pounds lighter and have regained my energy. And I shudder to think where I would be by now had I been going to my old doctor the past few years. She's a nice lady but a friend with thyroiditis that goes to her is a mess and nothing is improving. As to insurance not paying - that is the problem - but it's because the entire system is set up so that it does not pay for insurance to reimburse for things that really make you well - you would think they would WANT that but there are certain reasons why they don't - and the drug companies don't WANT it and it doesn't PAY to make people healthy - And the FDA is right in their court. I've read way too much and seen way to much to not be convinced of this. If a really good doctor agrees to associate with insurance companies they start telling him what to do with his patients, and it also takes a good bit of time that they could spend with their patients to deal with the insurance. And it's not the doctor's fault - if a patient has nutrient deficiencies, for instance, and insurance won't pay for supplements. As to whether or not a doc " gets it right " - when you try natural things that support the entire body to help it heal it may not work immediately and may require adjustment - but at least the patient hasn't been further harmed by drugs that have increased his toxic burden, clogged his liver, damaged the kidneys or even worse! You can't " cure " a person by looking up their symptoms and prescribing a drug that simply interrupts a normal bodily function and thereby blocks the symptom while not correcting the real problem. Caution, education and listening to your own informed instincts and your own body are important - but I see a large failure in typical medicine at healing chronic illness and most of the patients I have talked to at my doctor's office, including those that are doctors themselves have come there because of the failure! > > > > I have seen my share of non traditional docs and my experience is that their > average of getting it right (my diagnosis) right then and there (that first > visit) is right on par with that of a traditional doc. Poor > treatment/service is a very real aspect of visiting non traditional docs. > I've had an acupuncturist hit a nerve in my hand so hard/intensely that I > couldn't use the hand for some time; an osteopath put some kinda supposed > vitamin crap in my veins that nearly killed me with an allergic reaction and > the worst was a chiropractor who so did not know what he was doing that my > neck was permanently damaged by his adjustments. I had to wear a neck brace > and I had to be in traction after that little escapade. > > > > The most unfortunate aspect of non traditional medicine is the out of pocket > expense to the patient as my insurances typically (over the years) would not > pay. > > > > I find it hard to believe that of all the professors/teachers and teaching > hospital docs (when theyare student/interns etc) a student doc is exposed > to, not one told your doc that the patients didn't have to fit into a mold. > If you just think about it, you'll know that can't be true. I'm guessing > your doc was grandstanding for your benefit so that when he did diagnose you > -you would be impressed! (Much like the guy who forever claims he's made his > fortune all alone with no help -pulling himself up by his own bootstraps). > > > > > > Anyway - there are good and bad on both ends of the spectrum. > > > > Dusty > > said something along those lines > > > > > _____ > > From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of is Baranek > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:41 AM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Iodine nonsense > > > > I definitely consider myself lucky! Sad thing is there are not enough of > what I consider REAL doctors around. Most are brainwashed or they are in it > for the money. If you can spend 2 minutes hearing a patient's symtoms and > write a prescription by leaving the room and looking it up in the PDR and > the patient leaves feeling you've done something and temporarily feels > better (until the side effects kick in and often they don't realize where > they came from) - then you charge the insurance and get a nice big payment > (plus the patient's copay) - you have a good business going on. Then when > they come back complaining of other symtoms you can do the same thing again. > > > I know some allopathic doctors aren't like this - but even then they are > often so convinced of the nonsense they have had drummed into their heads > that it is very difficult to get through to them. I have heard some of the > most ridiculous things come out of doctor's heads and said to people I know. > > My doctor told me that when he was in medical school they handed him all > those books (he pointed at the bookcases lining his walls) and told him that > was how it was - every patient was just supposed to fit that mold. Then he > said " over the years I've learned it wasn't true - every patient is > different " . > > Personally some things I've been told by doctors: > > Fever and bad sore throat - age 32. Told in no uncertain terms that " people > over 25 don't GET strep throat! " > After giving birth - trying to breast feed and wanting to lose weight: " Just > stick to 1200 calories and you DON'T need vitamins! " > Living on 1000 calories, exhausted and not losing an ounce of suddenly > gained 20 pounds: " You HAVE to get below 1000 calories! " > > Exercising, eating way less then I should be burning and not able to lose > weight: " Some people just have to eat less then others " > > Oh and at 25 with bad orthostatic hypotension and a number of other symtoms > so bad I thought I had something fatal: " All your tests were normal - all I > can say is some people just have periods of times where they feel bad! " > (this from a highly recommended internist) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Gracia, You wrote: > > I am unfamiliar with the ^---... It is just the plain text short hand way of indicating an exponent. Avogadro's number is then 6.022 x 10^23. Some calculators write it as 6.022E23. It means 602,200,000,000,000,000,000,000, a LOT of atoms. So, my previous post says that my daily dose of levothyroxine, contains about 400,000,000,000,000,000 atoms of iodine, when the RDA only contains about 1,700,000,000,000,000,000 atoms. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I don't think you will make it to oprah- maybe county jail.... so be careful- try not to piss off anyone with a authentic license [ which you don't have]. if you lived in my state- you would already be in prison for pretending to be a medical provider.... From: Gracia Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:06 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Iodine nonsense that would be great! I could draw attention to what happens to these ppl--actually I will do it someday, and I will testify to what I have seen. It is so outrageous--watch for me on Oprah. Gracia she has been very lucky that none of the medical providers where she works have written her up for practicing medicine without a license. if they wanted to- they could call the cops on her. Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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