3 types of Hypo, Hyper Symptoms & Celiac Disease

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone, I'm a bit confused, and I'd like to ask all of your

opinions. Ok, three questions:

1. How does Hashimoto thyroiditis and subclinical hypothyroidsim,

differ from Hypothyroidism?

2. Why would someone with either of the above, have periods of

HYPERthyroidism, and how long could the hyper periods last?

3. How does wheat and gluten affect someone with various forms of

HYPOthyroidism(thyroiditis, subclinical, hypothyroid), and how common

is celiac disease(the inability to digest gluten) in people with

hypothyroidism? Thanks

[Guest guest]

Dear newnew,

You wrote:

>

> 1. How does Hashimoto thyroiditis and subclinical hypothyroidsim,

> differ from Hypothyroidism?

Hashimoto's is the most common form of hypothyroidism. The cause is an

autoimmune attack on the gland and on thyroxines in the blood.

Subclinical just means the condition cannot be detected by the usual

tests. Of course, there is controversy over the interpretation of those

tests. To most of us here, a TSH of 4.5 is overt hypoT, but to some

doctors (and labs), that is still subclinical.

>

> 2. Why would someone with either of the above, have periods of

> HYPERthyroidism, and how long could the hyper periods last?

HyperT means that either the residual activity of the gland or your

medication are putting too much of the active forms of thyroxine into

your system. The condition will last until the excess is reduced.

>

> 3. How does wheat and gluten affect someone with various forms of

> HYPOthyroidism(thyroiditis, subclinical, hypothyroid), and how common

> is celiac disease(the inability to digest gluten) in people with

> hypothyroidism?

People with food allergy, particularly celiac, are at higher risk of

hypoT. So are people with autoimmune diabetes mellitus. Autoimmune

conditions tend to run together, a phenomenon called " clustering. " The

cause is still unknown.

There is more about all of this in the FAQ I just sent.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

With Hashimoto's thyroiditis the output of you thyroid gland can vary

all over the place; sometimes it's referred to as a roller coaster. In

this condition your immune system is attacking your thyroid, and likely

will eventually destroy it. I believe subclinical hypothyroidism means

that your TSH is still within norms [and maybe your other test results

too] but you may have symptoms. I guess some would dispute whether you

even have hypothyroidism with a subclinical hypothyroidism diagnosis.

Perhaps it's possible that the immune system attack can be low enough

that your TSH is not greatly effected in this case.

Personally I would consider Hashimoto's thyroiditis to be a hypothyroid

condition, but maybe I'm wrong.

If you are taking medicine for hypothyroidism and the output of your

thyroid is low your need might be balanced by the dosage provided. If

the output of your thyroid swings to the high side then that plus the

dosage you are taking may be enough to push you over to the hyperthyroid

condition. I don't know of any general rules that state how long the

swings might remain in one or the other state. I've heard of some

people who have had a complete remission of Hashimoto's but I don't know

how many nor if there have been properly documented. Maybe someone else

has a better idea or even a guess.

I'm not familiar with a gluten interaction with hypothyroidism; although

it may exist.

Luck,

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> Sat May 31, 2008 7:35 pm (PDT)

>

> Hi Everyone, I'm a bit confused, and I'd like to ask all of your

> opinions. Ok, three questions:

>

> 1. How does Hashimoto thyroiditis and subclinical hypothyroidsim,

> differ from Hypothyroidism?

>

> 2. Why would someone with either of the above, have periods of

> HYPERthyroidism, and how long could the hyper periods last?

>

> 3. How does wheat and gluten affect someone with various forms of

> HYPOthyroidism(

> thyroiditis, subclinical, hypothyroid), and how common

> is celiac disease(the inability to digest gluten) in people with

> hypothyroidism? Thanks

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

I think you are the the world's leading thyroid expert! Did you ever think of

writing a

book?

Best wishes,

> >

> > 1. How does Hashimoto thyroiditis and subclinical hypothyroidsim,

> > differ from Hypothyroidism?

>

> Hashimoto's is the most common form of hypothyroidism. The cause is an

> autoimmune attack on the gland and on thyroxines in the blood.

> Subclinical just means the condition cannot be detected by the usual

> tests. Of course, there is controversy over the interpretation of those

> tests. To most of us here, a TSH of 4.5 is overt hypoT, but to some

> doctors (and labs), that is still subclinical.

>

> >

> > 2. Why would someone with either of the above, have periods of

> > HYPERthyroidism, and how long could the hyper periods last?

>

> HyperT means that either the residual activity of the gland or your

> medication are putting too much of the active forms of thyroxine into

> your system. The condition will last until the excess is reduced.

>

> >

> > 3. How does wheat and gluten affect someone with various forms of

> > HYPOthyroidism(thyroiditis, subclinical, hypothyroid), and how common

> > is celiac disease(the inability to digest gluten) in people with

> > hypothyroidism?

>

> People with food allergy, particularly celiac, are at higher risk of

> hypoT. So are people with autoimmune diabetes mellitus. Autoimmune

> conditions tend to run together, a phenomenon called " clustering. " The

> cause is still unknown.

>

> There is more about all of this in the FAQ I just sent.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> I think you are the the world's leading thyroid expert! ...

Thank you. You flatter me, especially with so many on the list that

disagree with anything in the scientific literature.

> ... Did you ever think of writing a book?

Yes, but not about the thyroid. I run out of steam at the end of the FAQ.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck is a scientist so he can speak " science " . OTOH he thinks allopathic

medicine is writ in stone and completely accurate--I think it's a load of horse

puckey. and I think there will be huge lawsuits about it.

and in my book hyper and hypo are the same illness, just two ends of the

spectrum, both caused by iodine deficiency.

Gracia

,

You wrote:

>

> I think you are the the world's leading thyroid expert! ...

Thank you. You flatter me, especially with so many on the list that

disagree with anything in the scientific literature.

> ... Did you ever think of writing a book?

Yes, but not about the thyroid. I run out of steam at the end of the FAQ.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I believe this is possible and logical. The thyroid goes hyper to produce enough

and then

burns itself out into hypo.

anna

> and in my book hyper and hypo are the same illness, just two ends of the

spectrum,

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

Gracia, you are misrepresenting Chuck's stance re: allopathic medicine;

at least as far as I understand them. Allopathic medicine is about

science, true; but it's also an art. A physician PRACTICES medicine; he

does not perform medicine and if he is any good at all realizes that

humans are different and that one size does not fit all. Something you

might consider IMHO...

Your real difference from Chuck is not about medicine, it is about your

and his world views. We each have a method that we use to determine

what is likely to give consistently correct answers that correspond to

the " real " world and Chuck seems to approach that task from the

viewpoint of science. Not surprising, given that he is a scientist.

You OTOH have many times referred to all allopathic physicians as all

being stupid, ignorant quacks. That is the same nomenclature that an

unkind person who is well educated might use to describe your

" prescriptions " .

I hope you aren't holding your breath waiting for the lawsuits. If you

think they're such a good idea you might consider consulting an attorney

about instigating same. But be prepared to be more or less gently told

" no thanks " .

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>

>

> Sun Jun 1, 2008 9:58 pm (PDT)

>

>

> Chuck is a scientist so he can speak " science " . OTOH he thinks

> allopathic medicine is writ in stone and completely accurate--I think

> it's a load of horse puckey. and I think there will be huge lawsuits

> about it.

> and in my book hyper and hypo are the same illness, just two ends of

> the spectrum, both caused by iodine deficiency.

> Gracia

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > I think you are the the world's leading thyroid expert! ...

>

> Thank you. You flatter me, especially with so many on the list that

> disagree with anything in the scientific literature.

>

> > ... Did you ever think of writing a book?

>

> Yes, but not about the thyroid. I run out of steam at the end of the

> FAQ.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> This is off topic but would it be on?

Actually, I'm working on several things, but the closest to becoming a

book at the moment is a text on Physical Science. This includes a little

physics, electricity, some chemistry, geology, meteorology, and astronomy.

My physics research is currently on detecting evidence of ancient cosmic

rays in rock samples. The group I am collaborating with thinks a gamma

ray burst or supernova may have caused one or more of the large

extinction events, perhaps by screwing up the climate.

I am also still involved with studying wear in biomechanical implants,

artificial hips and knees, at the U. Nebraska Medical Center. That's

where I have an adjunct position. We make the surfaces slightly

radioactive at a particle accelerator at Kansas State University, then

monitor where that material goes and how fast it goes there. It's a

technique I used with diesel and jet engines for over two decades. The

additives in your motor oil were developed and tested using this method

by activating cam lobes. I did contribute to one book on that technique.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> I believe this is possible and logical. The thyroid goes hyper to

> produce enough and then burns itself out into hypo.

Then it should be testable. However, many different types of tests have

shown that the thyroid axis is a relatively tightly controlled feedback

loop. Thyroid tissue only " over produces " when it is already seriously

impaired, which creates the late-stage Hashi's roller coaster. It rarely

produces hyperT states except with medication. That is very different

from claiming that Grave's is due to iodine deficiency.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thank you Chuck and for your feedback. I'm currently not

taking anything for hypothyroidism. I was diagnosed as subclinical a

few years ago, and eventually told I have hashimotos. I do have

thyroid antibodies, and though not visible externally, an mri

confirmed, that I have a small goiter as well. You can also feel it

with both hands.

Long story short, doctors refuse to put me on medication, because my

TSH fluctuates from a bit high to normal...with the highest being

close to 9.0. But last testing, I was down to 2.0. For a few years,

I had all the symptoms of hypothyroidism(fatigue, constipation, dry

skin, hair loss, weight gain, etc), but the last year, everything

seems to have improved.

My energy level increased, anxiety and depresseion decreased, I've

lost lots of the excess weight, skin has improved, etc. However, I

now wonder, if the main problem has been celiac disease all along,

and that possibly my lactose intolerance and thyroid problems are

all secondary to " long term " untreated celiac disease.

I'm still doing research on the above, and wondered what others

thought. I plan to be tested soon to confirm CD. I'll post an update

if I learn anything more on the above.

> >

> > 1. How does Hashimoto thyroiditis and subclinical hypothyroidsim,

> > differ from Hypothyroidism?

>

> Hashimoto's is the most common form of hypothyroidism. The cause

is an

> autoimmune attack on the gland and on thyroxines in the blood.

> Subclinical just means the condition cannot be detected by the

usual

> tests. Of course, there is controversy over the interpretation of

those

> tests. To most of us here, a TSH of 4.5 is overt hypoT, but to

some

> doctors (and labs), that is still subclinical.

>

> >

> > 2. Why would someone with either of the above, have periods of

> > HYPERthyroidism, and how long could the hyper periods last?

>

> HyperT means that either the residual activity of the gland or

your

> medication are putting too much of the active forms of thyroxine

into

> your system. The condition will last until the excess is reduced.

>

> >

> > 3. How does wheat and gluten affect someone with various forms of

> > HYPOthyroidism(thyroiditis, subclinical, hypothyroid), and how

common

> > is celiac disease(the inability to digest gluten) in people with

> > hypothyroidism?

>

> People with food allergy, particularly celiac, are at higher risk

of

> hypoT. So are people with autoimmune diabetes mellitus. Autoimmune

> conditions tend to run together, a phenomenon called " clustering. "

The

> cause is still unknown.

>

> There is more about all of this in the FAQ I just sent.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

newnew,

You wrote:

> ... I now wonder, if the main problem has been celiac disease all along,

> and that possibly my lactose intolerance and thyroid problems are

> all secondary to " long term " untreated celiac disease...

Autoimmune celiac seems to increase risk of hypoT. Some of the symptoms

do overlap. However, if a test detected thyroid antibodies, you probably

are not done with this. OTOH, full remission is not impossible either,

just relatively rare.

Chuck