Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 Thank you for some responses I've had about the Noni plant. The reason why I was asking it is because I am following a discussion in an Italian MS forum about a possible therapy for MS. There is one guy with a long history of PPMS that insists he is doing a major recovery with the following therapy: 3 pills/day of Noni 3 pills/day of TIOBEC 200 (Alpha Lipoic Acid) Since these are almost natural remedies and there is no need of prescription for them, now a lot of people in this Italian forum are now rushing to buy and trying these products. Big problem for the Italian MSers is that, the theory of boosting the immune system sounds contradictory. From two private emails I received from this LDN group I have been already told that someone here already tried Noni but have not seen any concrete benefits from it. Therefore, I would like to know next if anyone here had ever tried the Alpha Lipoic Acid. For what I can read about it, it seems to be a very powerful antioxidant…. I would really appreciate if any of you had any input about this product expecially if combined with LDN. Many Thanks, Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Max, For what it's worth: I began taking alpha lipoic acid around five and a half or six years ago as part of a systematic approach to antioxidants as per Steve Shackel's excellent website (http://home.goulburn.net.au/~shack/) on antioxidants. The reason for including ALA is that I had previously read of a study (in Germany from memory) which found it to have positive effects for people with MS and even though I have PLS rather than MS I thought that was a good indicator for neurological conditions. Shack's section on ALA is on his http://home.goulburn.net.au/~shack/antioxidants.htm page though that was not where I came across the study results. They were in a book on antioxidants I read about 10 years ago (title long since forgotten) but they always stuck in my mind. Of course I can't categorically state that the ALA and/or other antioxidants have been the reason for the halt in my progression, but I certainly believe that to be the case. For the first five years after diagnosis (I was 38 when diagnosed) my progression was quite rapid - I was only able to walk with a walking frame and had to use a wheelchair for anything more than short distances on even ground and my speech had become very poor. Within 6 months of beginning on all the antioxidants my progression had halted. Over five years later I am still now about the same except that my speech is even worse, although I think that can probably be put down to lack of use. Unfortunately I can't comment on ALA and LDN in combination as am still reading all the info people post to this group in order to make a decision on LDN for my PLS. maxbtm wrote: Therefore, I would like to know next if anyone here had ever tried the Alpha Lipoic Acid. For what I can read about it, it seems to be a very powerful antioxidant…. I would really appreciate if any of you had any input about this product expecially if combined with LDN. -- . ,-._|\ Covington / Oz \ \_,--.x/ v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Very interesting. Does anyone in the group know how alpha lipoic acid goes with LDN? Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: C low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) Max,For what it's worth: I began taking alpha lipoic acid around five and a half or six years ago as part of a systematic approach to antioxidants as per Steve Shackel's excellent website (http://home.goulburn.net.au/~shack/) on antioxidants. The reason for including ALA is that I had previously read of a study (in Germany from memory) which found it to have positive effects for people with MS and even though I have PLS rather than MS I thought that was a good indicator for neurological conditions. Shack's section on ALA is on his http://home.goulburn.net.au/~shack/antioxidants.htm page though that was not where I came across the study results. They were in a book on antioxidants I read about 10 years ago (title long since forgotten) but they always stuck in my mind.Of course I can't categorically state that the ALA and/or other antioxidants have been the reason for the halt in my progression, but I certainly believe that to be the case. For the first five years after diagnosis (I was 38 when diagnosed) my progression was quite rapid - I was only able to walk with a walking frame and had to use a wheelchair for anything more than short distances on even ground and my speech had become very poor. Within 6 months of beginning on all the antioxidants my progression had halted. Over five years later I am still now about the same except that my speech is even worse, although I think that can probably be put down to lack of use. Unfortunately I can't comment on ALA and LDN in combination as am still reading all the info people post to this group in order to make a decision on LDN for my PLS.maxbtm wrote: Therefore, I would like to know next if anyone here had ever tried the Alpha Lipoic Acid. For what I can read about it, it seems to be a very powerful antioxidant….I would really appreciate if any of you had any input about this product expecially if combined with LDN.-- . ,-._|\ Covington / Oz \ \_,--.x/ v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 That's right Marie, Alpha Lipoic Acid is very interesting and more a read about it more I like it. I found at some point, even a discussion group, very similar to this one, just for ALA. As I said in one earlier message, this Italian guy that is having benefit from ALA doesn't know about LDN but takes Noni. I was very trilled reading that Noni might produce brain receptor sites to open and allows the brain to receive more endorphins. Therefore I can only guess that ALA and LDN could work very well!!! I know Dr. Lawrence and he always advises his patients to take antioxidants (flavonoids), antivirals and vitamins with LDN. Perhaps ALA could be a very good supplement to go with LDN. Ciao, Max > > Therefore, I would like to know next if anyone here had ever tried > the Alpha Lipoic Acid. For what I can read about it, it seems to be a > very powerful antioxidant.. > I would really appreciate if any of you had any input about this > product expecially if combined with LDN. > > > > -- > . > ,-._|\ Covington > / Oz \ > \_,--.x/ > v > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 It should work with LDN just like the rest of the vitamins and minerals most of us take. Noland ----- Original Message ----- From: Marie Deady low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) Very interesting. Does anyone in the group know how alpha lipoic acid goes with LDN? Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: C low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) Max,For what it's worth: I began taking alpha lipoic acid around five and a half or six years ago as part of a systematic approach to antioxidants as per Steve Shackel's excellent website (http://home.goulburn.net.au/~shack/) on antioxidants. The reason for including ALA is that I had previously read of a study (in Germany from memory) which found it to have positive effects for people with MS and even though I have PLS rather than MS I thought that was a good indicator for neurological conditions. Shack's section on ALA is on his http://home.goulburn.net.au/~shack/antioxidants.htm page though that was not where I came across the study results. They were in a book on antioxidants I read about 10 years ago (title long since forgotten) but they always stuck in my mind.Of course I can't categorically state that the ALA and/or other antioxidants have been the reason for the halt in my progression, but I certainly believe that to be the case. For the first five years after diagnosis (I was 38 when diagnosed) my progression was quite rapid - I was only able to walk with a walking frame and had to use a wheelchair for anything more than short distances on even ground and my speech had become very poor. Within 6 months of beginning on all the antioxidants my progression had halted. Over five years later I am still now about the same except that my speech is even worse, although I think that can probably be put down to lack of use. Unfortunately I can't comment on ALA and LDN in combination as am still reading all the info people post to this group in order to make a decision on LDN for my PLS.maxbtm wrote: Therefore, I would like to know next if anyone here had ever tried the Alpha Lipoic Acid. For what I can read about it, it seems to be a very powerful antioxidant….I would really appreciate if any of you had any input about this product expecially if combined with LDN.-- . ,-._|\ Covington / Oz \ \_,--.x/ v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmStudyd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9916881 & dopt=Abstract Found on Dr. Mercolas website Alpha lipoic and MS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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