TSH gook (was: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism)

[Guest guest]

oh and sam- BTW I take armour. I switched from synthroid last september. so I

know fully the advantages of armour over synthroid!

Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

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> Low TSH causes osteoporosis, eh? Let's see, I had bone severe

loss

> from synthroid and from being severely hypOthyroid, and my TSH

was no

> where near supressed. On Armour, dosed by symptoms, and with such

a

> little TSH that it would probably scare Chuck and to

pieces, I

> have excellent bone density - aka bones of steel...at least

according

> to the bone density testing I have had. Yea, and according to all

the

> wild fun I have, too.

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> Sam

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[Guest guest]

it goes both ways...

Re: TSH gook (was: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism)

I believe that Sam has called me Punkin on occasion LOL

I always took it as a term of endearment LOL

well it might communicate " you are trying my patience here "

Gracia

sam,

I don't call you names and I expect you not to call me names either!!!!! as

much as I disagree with you I still respect you and would not call you any name.

and as far as " counseling " me to learn about armour goes- that is extremely

adverse to me and I resent your TONE.

that info can from TED frieddman who is an expert on thyroid disease. it was

an excerpt from his book. if you read his CV I posted you will see that he more

than qualified as far as a medical researcher and physician in thyroid disease.

as far as that excerpt, I can see it was not clear enough. any thyroid

medication that is taken in too high of a dose for that person can cause

hyperthyroidism. that is if after you find the right dose, and you keep

increasing the dose because you believe that more is better- YOU WILL BECOME

HYPER. that is a fact. that is just the physiology of thyroid medications.

of course you pay attention to the frees and the T's, and how you feel. but

allowing yourself to become hyper on a long term basis is like playing russian

roulette with a loaded gun. people who have ignored their hyper symptoms have

DIED from heart attacks and strokes.

as far as clinical hyperthyroidism; : the labs will have a very low TSH. that

is also a MEDICAL fact. these are the labs that we typically see: T3 >200;

T4>12.5; free thyroxine index >12; free thyroxine >15;

TSH <0.5; often undetectable.

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[Guest guest]

I suspect it was the " TSH gook " in the title that caused the objection.

I don't know how it was meant, but it was apparently taken as pejorative.

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> graciabee <graciabee>

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> I believe that Sam has called me Punkin on occasion LOL

> I always took it as a term of endearment LOL

> well it might communicate " you are trying my patience here "

> Gracia

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> sam,

> I don't call you names and I expect you not to call me names

> either!!!!! as much as I disagree with you I still respect you and

> would not call you any name. and as far as " counseling " me to learn

> about armour goes- that is extremely adverse to me and I resent your TONE.

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you can give a heads up to Prudence Hall MD to get hold of

the AACE. There's been talk of lowering it even further to 0.2, but

there's been nothing further than " talk " :

http://www.aace.com/newsroom/press/2003/index.php?r=20030118

Generally a more rapid heart rate appears in hypEr patients rather

than irregular heart beat. For A-fib I'd think also checking

mineralcorticoids to be more prudent than blaming a low TSH. It's

quite common for humans with thyroid issues to also have adrenal

issues which include low cortisol and low aldosterone, and also low

magnesium and selenium, etc. But then again, having hypOthyroidism

also puts a human at a 40% greater risk of heart issues. So, I would

think to be on the safe side, it makes sense to look at the Frees,

look at symptoms, saliva test thyroid/adrenal/sex hormones,

aldo/renin, potassium/sodium/magnesium, etc etc etc, and treat

appropriately. You (the royal you, not you personally) can't treat a

thyroid patient by assumptions on the TSH, because they'll never get

well, they'll just be maintained at whatever numbers their

pactitioners prefer. That's why we have all these thyroid groups on

the internet that everyone is flocking to.

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