Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I just wrote an answer to you and then lost it. how did I know that? it was a great relief to get cortisol and sex hormones and then I could immediatley take the dose of Armour which was more appropriate to my needs. It wasn't my belief system that made me feel better. I think that Jefferies MD who wrote Safe Uses of Cortisol write about this. I will look to see if I have anything saved on this. Holistic docs know that what is in the blood is not necessarily what gets into cells. that is the idea behind http://www.antibodyassay.com this 24 hr urine test gave me results that were opposite the blood tests. Gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > this isn't Chuck but my experience was the same. the hormones > definately weren't getting into my cells.... How did you know that? Did you have a microscopic hormone detector that could look inside your cells? The experts that use molecular spectroscopy to actually measure where biochemicals go, say that the free fraction of thyroxines is permeable across cell walls and does not depend on enzymes to move the hormone into the cells. All it depends on is the serum concentration of the frees outside the cell. Saying that thyroid hormones don't get into your cells without cortisol help, may correlate somehow with symptoms, but it is not connected to any scientific reality. It is just a convenient way of talking to recommend a medication that you are convinced worked for you. Since it is not based on anything measurable, it is not clear that what worked for you will work for everyone else. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1465 - Release Date: 5/25/2008 1:22 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Venizia, You wrote: > > Are you saying that the adrenals are not as important as being stated in > other groups?... They can be quite important. I am objecting to the description of their effects, which seem to be quite divorced from reality. The final result may be correct, but scientists like precision in the use of language. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 You're very intuitive. Cortisol is released when there is a stressor on the body. It is the fight or flight hormone... its very primitive. Cortisol rises when you are at battle. Cortisol acts as an anti inflammatory in case you get mauled by an animal while hunting or wounded in battle. Cortisol ALSO signals the thyroid to slow down the metabolism if the stress is chronic. This would not only have an the anti inflammitory effect but slow down bleeding and preserve resources if you are wounded. You see this in chronic illness... soaring TSH despite taking hormone. The method that the body uses to slow down the system is Reverse T3. So in a nutshell....Adrenals over produce cortisol when you are under stress and BTW, at the same time adrenals lower DHEA (sex hormone precursor) because survival is the issue not reproduction. SO...high cortisol slows the metabolism by blocking T4 to T3 conversion... creating RT3 as a protective measure. What a bummer when you're not in a battle, huh? ________________________________ From: Deb. <aliano@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 5:19:15 PM Subject: Re: Getting into cells This is just my opinion,and may be way off,but I think if there really is a rt3,its you're bodys way of protecting u from something,and once you're nutrition,or whatever the issue is resolved,so will the rt3. If rt3 exists,or happens,wouldn' t it be for a good reason? Since the body is so amazing,I would think so. I also think that the body is capable of reversing a rt3 problem on its own,I don't believe seperate drugs are needed. The body is so amazing,that if it created rt3 wouldn't it resolve it,when ready? If cytomel clears rt3,then u r left with exposure to something you're body was protecting u from? And wouldn't the same thing just keep happening? So u would be taking cytomel off and on throughout the year,as its probably going to keep happening,as a protection? I think playing around with different thyroid meds is going to shoot you're bodys system some what? Isn't it better to find you're optimum dose of armour or synthroid or whatever,and let you're body rid itself as needed? Any thoughts here? Maybe the whole rt3 thing is to sell more cytomel? Don't know! I'm sure that some people having converting problems,maybe because of fatty liver ect.,need and find an additional dose of cytomel to their meds usefull,or depending on you're body may need only cytomel,as some people can't convert well... Deb --aliano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 ,interesting about the high cortisol,in relation to low dhea,never thought of the dhea thing,although I know taking dhea helps lower cortisol. Deb --aliano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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