Re: Article on Iodine for thyroid

[Guest guest]

Why wouldn't it do anything for me? I mean if Iodine works at large doses,

then I would think I'd notice something at even a small dose.

Is Kelp iodine the same as any other iodine? Does iodine come from the same

place? Also, I know I've asked you this before, but I might be missing your

post back. I'm interested in knowing what your symptoms were before and how

they changed after you started taking the Iodine.

Thanks,

In a message dated 11/30/2008 10:28:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

circe@... writes:

Standard Process makes a good low dose iodine supplement but it will do

nothing for you (((

you might join iodine group b/c most of the ppl there have hashis, Graves

etc and take iodine.

Gracia

I think I'm going to try iodine per what Chuck had told me might be safe.

For most thyroid patients iodine is not good if you still are producing

thyroid

hormone because it will make you lose more or increase the antibodies. Since

I probably don't have any natural hormone left(testing told me this), it

probably couldn't hurt me. I wonder if this really might be the answer for

me.

If my thyroid isn't working anymore, maybe that has disrupted my iodine

uptake. I am going to give it a try starting in small doses and will report

here my

results. Does anyone think it can be dangerous to take my levoxyl at the

same

time? I am going to start with a low amount. Not sure what that will be yet.

I know many on this board are either really into iodine being good and some

are really against and some just want to know what the facts are. I really

believe in the studies, but am also wanting to try things. I figure since no

doctor has figured out how to help me, I want to try things to see if I can

find relief.

I found the below article that has some good real sources that might be

interesting to others.

Thyroid Health: How Much Iodine Helps?

Chinese Study Shows Increased Iodine Connected to Decreased Thyroid Function

By _ J. DeNoon_ (http://www.webmd.com/daniel-j-denoon)

WebMD Health News

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I think you'll find this article interesting, and useful, if you're

going to try this. I'm thinking about trying it too, but not until

after my doc appt. on Dec. 9th.

Iodine: The Universal Nutrient

http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?page=LIST & ProdID=1781 & zType=2

[Guest guest]

Standard Process makes a good low dose iodine supplement but it will do

nothing for you (((

you might join iodine group b/c most of the ppl there have hashis, Graves etc

and take iodine.

Gracia

I think I'm going to try iodine per what Chuck had told me might be safe.

For most thyroid patients iodine is not good if you still are producing

thyroid

hormone because it will make you lose more or increase the antibodies. Since

I probably don't have any natural hormone left(testing told me this), it

probably couldn't hurt me. I wonder if this really might be the answer for me.

If my thyroid isn't working anymore, maybe that has disrupted my iodine

uptake. I am going to give it a try starting in small doses and will report

here my

results. Does anyone think it can be dangerous to take my levoxyl at the same

time? I am going to start with a low amount. Not sure what that will be yet.

I know many on this board are either really into iodine being good and some

are really against and some just want to know what the facts are. I really

believe in the studies, but am also wanting to try things. I figure since no

doctor has figured out how to help me, I want to try things to see if I can

find relief.

I found the below article that has some good real sources that might be

interesting to others.

Thyroid Health: How Much Iodine Helps?

Chinese Study Shows Increased Iodine Connected to Decreased Thyroid Function

By _ J. DeNoon_ (http://www.webmd.com/daniel-j-denoon)

WebMD Health News

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tyblossom@... wrote:

>

> I think I'm going to try iodine per what Chuck had told me might be safe.

> ...Does anyone think it can be dangerous to take my levoxyl at the

> same time?...

Note that the deficiency and dangers discussed in that WebMD article are

at levels near the RDA (0.150 mg per day). They are not suggesting you

need 100 mg to correct a deficiency.

The only danger in taking the two together would require at least a

partially working thyroid. Then the combination could create a double

boost, potentially making you hyperT.

Keep in mind that levoxyl is itself a form or source of iodine. Each

molecule contains four atoms of iodine. A full replacement dose of T4

provides on the order of the iodine RDA.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Abraham is one of the " iodine docs " . He enjoy a certain respect among

proponents of treating hypothyroidism [and many other ailments] with

iodine. Which coincidentally happens to be a product sold by his

company Optimox. He has no respect whatsoever in any venue which holds

credible peer reviewed research in high regard. Anything he publishes

[even that apparently crafted to sound like main stream scientific

research] would be laughed out of any credible peer reviewed publication.

Among other things he posits that the earth is only 6000 years old.

Given that he _must_ have at least an adequate education in biology

[which is basically founded upon evolution] that's a sad commentary on

his mental ability to determine fact from myth.

OTOH if quack sites interest you then you might find it interesting...

..

..

>

> Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@...

>

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thyroid>

> cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley>

>

>

> Mon Dec 1, 2008 1:02 am (PST)

>

> I think you'll find this article interesting, and useful, if you're

> going to try this. I'm thinking about trying it too, but not until

> after my doc appt. on Dec. 9th.

>

>

> Iodine: The Universal Nutrient

>

> http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?page=LIST & ProdID=1781 & zType=2

> <http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?page=LIST & ProdID=1781 & zType=2>

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

 

Do you know how much iodine is in Armour?

>

> I think I'm going to try iodine per what Chuck had told me might be

safe.

> ...Does anyone think it can be dangerous to take my levoxyl at the

> same time?...

Note that the deficiency and dangers discussed in that WebMD article are

at levels near the RDA (0.150 mg per day). They are not suggesting you

need 100 mg to correct a deficiency.

The only danger in taking the two together would require at least a

partially working thyroid. Then the combination could create a double

boost, potentially making you hyperT.

Keep in mind that levoxyl is itself a form or source of iodine. Each

molecule contains four atoms of iodine. A full replacement dose of T4

provides on the order of the iodine RDA.

Chuck

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

ARC,

You wrote:

>

> Do you know how much iodine is in Armour?

Again, a full replacement dose (about 3 grains) is on the order of the

RDA. There is a more detailed calculation in our archives.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Maybe you would prefer to see something like this Jame...from CDC's

website today...I downloaded their iodine_deficiency.pdf

" Recommendations

WHO/UNICEF/ICCIDD recommend (19) that, in typical circumstances, where:

* iodine lost from salt is 20% from production site to household,

* another 20% is lost during cooking before consumption, and

* average salt intake is 10 g per person per day,

iodine concentration in salt at the point of production should be

within the

range of 20-40 mg of iodine per kg of salt (i.e., 20-40 ppm of iodine)

in order to

provide 150 mg of iodine per person per day. The iodine should be added as

potassium (or sodium) iodate. Under these circumstances median urinary

iodine levels will vary from 100-200 mg/l.

However, in some instances the quality of iodized salt is poor, or the

salt

is incorrectly packaged, or the salt deteriorates due to excessive

long-term

exposure to moisture, heat, and contaminants. Iodine losses from point of

production to consumption can then be well in excess of 50%. In addition,

salt consumption is sometimes much less than 10 g per person per day. As a

result, actual iodine consumption may fall well below recommended levels. "

From another article I'd read prior to that today, it said 5 g of salt

was all that was necessary to meet the RDA, so I measured out 5 g this

morning. Together, my husband and I didn't even use more than about

1/2 of that...that would mean, according to the 'Center for Disease

Control' that we may each have gotten 1/8 of our RDA, assuming, of

course, that ALL circumstances were ideal.

....

> OTOH if quack sites interest you then you might find it interesting...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've seen that or something like it before. But there are other sources

of iodine, unless the food was grown in iodine deficient soil.

I don't think we consume 10 g of salt per person per day; but we do

consume too much. A heck of a lot of prepared food products contain a

lot of salt.

The lack of the overate signs of iodine deficiency in the US fairly well

demonstrates that we do in fact receive the RDA of iodine on average.

As do studies.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@...

>

<mailto:cindy.seeley@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Article%20on%20Iodine%20for%20\

thyroid>

> cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley>

>

>

> Mon Dec 1, 2008 9:03 pm (PST)

>

> Maybe you would prefer to see something like this Jame...from CDC's

> website today...I downloaded their iodine_deficiency.pdf

>

> " Recommendations

> WHO/UNICEF/ICCIDD recommend (19) that, in typical circumstances, where:

> * iodine lost from salt is 20% from production site to household,

> * another 20% is lost during cooking before consumption, and

> * average salt intake is 10 g per person per day,

> iodine concentration in salt at the point of production should be

> within the

> range of 20-40 mg of iodine per kg of salt (i.e., 20-40 ppm of iodine)

> in order to

> provide 150 mg of iodine per person per day. The iodine should be added as

> potassium (or sodium) iodate. Under these circumstances median urinary

> iodine levels will vary from 100-200 mg/l.

>

> However, in some instances the quality of iodized salt is poor, or the

> salt

> is incorrectly packaged, or the salt deteriorates due to excessive

> long-term

> exposure to moisture, heat, and contaminants. Iodine losses from point of

> production to consumption can then be well in excess of 50%. In addition,

> salt consumption is sometimes much less than 10 g per person per day. As a

> result, actual iodine consumption may fall well below recommended levels. "

>

> >From another article I'd read prior to that today, it said 5 g of salt

> was all that was necessary to meet the RDA, so I measured out 5 g this

> morning. Together, my husband and I didn't even use more than about

> 1/2 of that...that would mean, according to the 'Center for Disease

> Control' that we may each have gotten 1/8 of our RDA, assuming, of

> course, that ALL circumstances were ideal.

>

>

>

> ...

> > OTOH if quack sites interest you then you might find it interesting...

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

,

You posted:

> WHO/UNICEF/ICCIDD recommend (19) that, in typical circumstances, where:

> * iodine lost from salt is 20% from production site to household,

> * another 20% is lost during cooking before consumption, and

> * average salt intake is 10 g per person per day,

> iodine concentration in salt at the point of production should be

> within the

> range of 20-40 mg of iodine per kg of salt (i.e., 20-40 ppm of iodine)

> in order to

> provide 150 mg of iodine per person per day....

These units are wrong. All the " mg " occurences should be micrograms.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Would someone like to take that up with the United States 'Center for

Disease Control'? ;-)

>

> ,

>

> You posted:

> > WHO/UNICEF/ICCIDD recommend (19) that, in typical circumstances,

where:

> > * iodine lost from salt is 20% from production site to household,

> > * another 20% is lost during cooking before consumption, and

> > * average salt intake is 10 g per person per day,

> > iodine concentration in salt at the point of production should be

> > within the

> > range of 20-40 mg of iodine per kg of salt (i.e., 20-40 ppm of iodine)

> > in order to

> > provide 150 mg of iodine per person per day....

>

> These units are wrong. All the " mg " occurences should be micrograms.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

>

> Would someone like to take that up with the United States 'Center for

> Disease Control'? ;-)

It is just a matter of font. The SI standard for microgram is mu-g,

using the Greek letter mu. Since the Greek mu is equivalent in an

alphabetic sense to the Roman m, the microgram gets transformed into the

milligram. I'm sure the CDC already knows the difference.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't you think they would 'clarify' that distinction when they

post materials on their website for public consumption, if that were

the case?

> >

> >

> > Would someone like to take that up with the United States 'Center for

> > Disease Control'? ;-)

>

> It is just a matter of font. The SI standard for microgram is mu-g,

> using the Greek letter mu. Since the Greek mu is equivalent in an

> alphabetic sense to the Roman m, the microgram gets transformed into

the

> milligram. I'm sure the CDC already knows the difference.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

You'd think they would; but it's probably just an oversight. There's no

doubt in anyone's mind that the RDA is 150 micrograms; not 150 milligrams.

..

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>

> Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@...

>

<mailto:cindy.seeley@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Article%20on%20Iodine%20for%20\

thyroid>

> cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley>

>

>

> Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:01 pm (PST)

>

> Wouldn't you think they would 'clarify' that distinction when they

> post materials on their website for public consumption, if that were

> the case?

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > Would someone like to take that up with the United States 'Center for

> > > Disease Control'? ;-)

> >

> > It is just a matter of font. The SI standard for microgram is mu-g,

> > using the Greek letter mu. Since the Greek mu is equivalent in an

> > alphabetic sense to the Roman m, the microgram gets transformed into

> the

> > milligram. I'm sure the CDC already knows the difference.

> >

> > Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

>

> Wouldn't you think they would 'clarify' that distinction when they

> post materials on their website for public consumption, if that were

> the case?

They probably never looked. Someone was directed to cut and paste the

document where Greek letters were not supported. The software helpfully

put in the Latin letter equivalent. The other change that you often see

is a Greek letter will be turned into a print symbol or gobble-de-gook.

That might have been a more obvious error than mg, which looks like a

proper unit, until you notice they are applying it to an RDA of 150.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I think you mean 10 grams of salt; not 10 milligrams??? I'm maybe

confused by the units???

Based upon a number of things I've read I believe that there may be

areas of the US where some of the population does not receive the RDA of

iodine. My statement was that _on average_ we in the US do. Some of us

no doubt get quite a bit more than that; and some less. As a matter of

fact the first paragraph of your referenced article confirms that. If

your area is poor in iodine soil content it may be a case where the

practice of eating locally grown fresh produce may not be the best idea.

That's a quite interesting article that you quoted. I noted this statement:

..

> ...the median intake of iodine from food in the United States is

> approximately 240 to 300 ?g/day for men and 190 to 210 ?g/day for

> women (Appendix Table E-4

>

<http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10026 & page=662#p2000560c9960662001>).

> For all life stage and gender groups, less than 25 percent of

> individuals had intakes below the Estimated Average Requirement.

..

The way I'm understanding that is that it is from food only; not iodized

salt too. So it appears we receive _on average_ more than the RDA of

iodine in diet alone [although EAR and RDA are not the same]. But some

don't; as you've pointed out...

I also noticed this passage:

..

> ...Intake of 10 g of 0.001 percent iodized salt results in an intake

> of 770 ?g/day. Based on the Food and Drug Administration Total Diet

> Study...

..

But 770 micrograms of iodine per day is over 500% of the RDA, so we

would only need less than 2 grams of this salt to get the full RDA. And

that's not counting any iodine in our food; which on average is already

higher than the RDA.

I do wonder whether the high iodine intake quoted for the Japanese does

not come from the study that has been shown to be massively flawed [the

intake was actually on the order of 1/10 of the value used in the

study]. But the study [otherwise probably well done] is still quoted,

especially by proponents of massive doses of iodine daily.

Best,

..

..

> Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@...

>

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> cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley>

>

>

> Thu Dec 4, 2008 10:32 am (PST)

>

> Here's another study; this from the National Academies Press a

> subgroup of National Academy of Sciences regarding iodine (as well as

> other nutrients, but I will link you directly to the iodine

> section--8). In it, they also say you need 10 mg of salt to get the

> .150 mg = 150 micrograms. Ten milligrams of salt is approximately 2

> teaspoons. 8-O

>

> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10026 & page=258

> <http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10026 & page=258>

>

> Regarding the 'overt' comment I made and hypothesis , I am only

> trying to say that I am observing in my family and people around me,

> what CDC and now this study I've just provided you (no associations to

> Dr. Brownstein, btw) are both indicating that there is in all

> likelihood an iodine deficiency in this area of the US (midwest, just

> south of Wisconsin and Minnesota, also the Mississippi river

> valley)--I HAVE family members who are diagnosed hypoT and who also

> have developed goiters that just keep getting bigger and bigger.

>

> btw guys...thanks for an intelligent discussion!

>

>

>

> >

> > You'd think they would; but it's probably just an oversight.

> There's no

> > doubt in anyone's mind that the RDA is 150 micrograms; not 150

> milligrams.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No you aren't confused by the units; my mind was trying to

multi-track...it doesn't do that so well since my myedema crash.

Thank you for catching that. The rest, I'll have to look into further

later. I've got too many things going to properly focus right now.

> > >

> > > You'd think they would; but it's probably just an oversight.

> > There's no

> > > doubt in anyone's mind that the RDA is 150 micrograms; not 150

> > milligrams.

> > >

> > >

>