Re: Re: BIOIDENTICAL T4. WAS: Brain Swelling

[Guest guest]

,

A couple of minor quibbles.

You wrote:

>

>... I've been trying to find a diagram of the molecular structure of

> Armour, but so far to no avail. I have however found a diagram of

> Synthroid (T4)...but I digress!...

Armour is tissue. It is made of a complex mixture of compounds and

hormones. T4 is one of the hormones in that mix. The molecular diagrams

for Synthroid and the T4 in a healthy human thyroid are identical. They

are perfectly identical. However, the DNA and proteins in the Armour

tissues are from pigs.

> ... 'dessicated thyroid hormone'.

This is a misnomer. Armour is dessicated thyroid _glands_, not hormone.

The porcine tissue happens to contain hormones, but it is not equivalent

to a " hormone. "

> ...Our thyroids produce T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin, even if

> some of it is in minuscule amounts....

Armour contains a higher percentage of T3 than our glands ever produce.

When that is combined with the completely unnatural process of acquiring

these hormones through our small intestines instead of directly into the

blood from a thyroid gland, you get an even more exaggerated dose of T3,

since you only absorb about 80% of the T4 (much less with food), but you

always get 95% of the T3. That makes Armour a mostly T3 medication.

How natural is that?

T2 and T1 are the natural metabolic byproducts of the deiodization of

T4, T3, and RT3. In other words, every molecule of T4 you take ends up

as T2 and then T1. Our bodies do make them from the T4. In fact, if you

needed T2 or T1 for something, your body would not be so quick to

degrade it further and eliminate it.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I am used to posting on boards that are on the same page as me--that is not

the case here. also often I don't have time to elaborate. like now.

Gracia

>

> You, as well as Gracia, both make blanket statements without providing

> any supporting evidence...that was my initial observation, and I was

.

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4:56 PM

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ...from that, I would have been able to compare the molecular structure

> diagrams of synthetic T4 to those of natural T4 and , synthetic T3 to

> natural T3...are you telling me that they don't have this

> somewhere?...

A basic endocrinology text would show the molecular structures of the natural

hormones, which you can then compare with those on the manufacturers' patient

inserts. Perhaps I can save you some time, though, by telling you again that

they are exactly the same.

>

> I realize that...however, it is the 'active ingredients' in that

> glandular tissue that is at issue here...we don't discredit synthetic

> hormones because of the mechanisms (other ingredients) used to

> transport them...

Exactly.

> If taken sub lingually, or better yet, brachia (between the gum and

> teeth), as we do, it is absorbed directly into the blood as is

> intended for thyroid hormones produced by our bodies...

Well, we have had some disagreement about this, and no one has found any

credible studies one way or the other. The question is whether some fraction of

the hormones escape the mouth and end up being absorbed in the intestines

anyway. If that is correct, then you should still avoid food or coffee for

awhile after taking it, to make sure as much as possible gets absorbed.

Of course, if you just want the T3 from Armour, or if you can get an arbitrary

supply, that doesn't make any difference.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ...from that, I would have been able to compare the molecular structure

> diagrams of synthetic T4 to those of natural T4 and , synthetic T3 to

> natural T3...are you telling me that they don't have this

> somewhere?...

A basic endocrinology text would show the molecular structures of the natural

hormones, which you can then compare with those on the manufacturers' patient

inserts. Perhaps I can save you some time, though, by telling you again that

they are exactly the same.

>

> I realize that...however, it is the 'active ingredients' in that

> glandular tissue that is at issue here...we don't discredit synthetic

> hormones because of the mechanisms (other ingredients) used to

> transport them...

Exactly.

> If taken sub lingually, or better yet, brachia (between the gum and

> teeth), as we do, it is absorbed directly into the blood as is

> intended for thyroid hormones produced by our bodies...

Well, we have had some disagreement about this, and no one has found any

credible studies one way or the other. The question is whether some fraction of

the hormones escape the mouth and end up being absorbed in the intestines

anyway. If that is correct, then you should still avoid food or coffee for

awhile after taking it, to make sure as much as possible gets absorbed.

Of course, if you just want the T3 from Armour, or if you can get an arbitrary

supply, that doesn't make any difference.

Chuck