Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Mike, A " dropper full " is not very precise. Do you perhaps mean a " drop? " That would be about a mg for a 2% solution. You wrote: > > She is taking a dropper full of 2%, per doctor's instruction. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Doesn't the dropper have marks on the outside that tells you how much you are taking? That is the dropper you should be using so that you know exactly what percentage or mg you are taking. Nancie -- Dropper full of Lugol's Mike, A " dropper full " is not very precise. Do you perhaps mean a " drop? " That would be about a mg for a 2% solution. You wrote: > > She is taking a dropper full of 2%, per doctor's instruction. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 If you tilt the bottle sideways, you can get a very consistent dropper full of 5 drops. The prescribed dose was 2 drops of 5%. 5 drops of 2% would be equivalent dosing. > > > > She is taking a dropper full of 2%, per doctor's instruction. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 We have a large bottle of Lugols and a small plain brown bottle with a dropper that we keep refilling. The bottle of Lugol's says that it is 2%. The prescribed dose was 2 drops of 5%. Tilting the bottle sideways before filling the dropper yields a consistent 5 drops. 5 drops of 2% is equivalent dosing to 2 drops of 5%. I'm sorry if my diction wasn't very succinct, but we are trying to follow the doctor's prescription to the letter. Thanks for all the concern folks. > > > > She is taking a dropper full of 2%, per doctor's instruction. > > Chuck > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Mike, Just our of sheer ³sue curisoity² why are you trying to follow this dose to the letter but ³cheat as you say² with he armour... Really just being curious. Sue Ps, you did suggest iodide was a good topic ROFL! On 9/29/08 8:46 PM, " Mike Lawson " <mlawson66@...> wrote: > > I'm sorry if my diction wasn't very succinct, but we are trying > to follow the doctor's prescription to the letter. > > Thanks for all the concern folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I take a grain in the morning, and an additional 1/2 grain about 6-8 hours later. If I have to stay up for 30 hours, I just keep taking a half grain every 6-8 hours or so. I don't know if that is really cheating, but when I do finally get to crash, I miss several doses so it all comes out in the wash. > > > > > I'm sorry if my diction wasn't very succinct, but we are trying > > to follow the doctor's prescription to the letter. > > > > Thanks for all the concern folks. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 That makes sense on the Armour... but why so ³to the letter² on the iodine? Sorry for the questions, but I am fixin¹ to do an iodine load test, maybe, probably, possibly and have read so much about little bits of iodine vs large doses of iodine and wonder why the exact dosing on that front? Is it a finer line with iodine? I find it all so confusing Âiodine that is. My endo told me not to touch it cuz of my Hashimotos. My nutritinist says it¹s OK. Some here say NO WAY and others say TAKE LOTS! Are you on the iodine too? sue On 9/29/08 10:08 PM, " Mike Lawson " <mlawson66@...> wrote: > > > > I take a grain in the morning, and an additional 1/2 grain > about 6-8 hours later. If I have to stay up for 30 hours, I > just keep taking a half grain every 6-8 hours or so. I don't > know if that is really cheating, but when I do finally get > to crash, I miss several doses so it all comes out in the > wash. > > >> > >>> > > >>> > > I'm sorry if my diction wasn't very succinct, but we are trying >>> > > to follow the doctor's prescription to the letter. >>> > > >>> > > Thanks for all the concern folks. >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Well, that is the very reason that we are being very concise about the dosing. We've heard conflicting data. Some people all but gargle the stuff and others treat it like it is poison. It is a halogen and has been used as an anti- septic. If it is toxic enough to kill bacteria and viruses, it seems like it should be treated with respect. I am going along for the ride too, with all the stress I've been going through, I want to flush out all the odd hormone metabolites as well. I've had swollen glands and lymph nodes in my neck for a long time. Going on thyroid replacement alleviated most of the problems with the throat but I do still have swollen glands behind my jaws. I read somewhere that iodine can be good for this as well. I have been on such a low salt, low fat diet for so long I probably was very low on the stuff. > >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > I'm sorry if my diction wasn't very succinct, but we are trying > >>> > > to follow the doctor's prescription to the letter. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks for all the concern folks. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 mike- i avoid it because i am deathly allergic to iodine. i think that if i wasn t so allergic- i would propbably try it. but unless i want to experience near death or death again- i am going to stay away, lol nancie -- Re: Dropper full of Lugol's Well, that is the very reason that we are being very concise about the dosing. We've heard conflicting data. Some people all but gargle the stuff and others treat it like it is poison. It is a halogen and has been used as an anti- septic. If it is toxic enough to kill bacteria and viruses, it seems like it should be treated with respect. I am going along for the ride too, with all the stress I've been going through, I want to flush out all the odd hormone metabolites as well. I've had swollen glands and lymph nodes in my neck for a long time. Going on thyroid replacement alleviated most of the problems with the throat but I do still have swollen glands behind my jaws. I read somewhere that iodine can be good for this as well. I have been on such a low salt, low fat diet for so long I probably was very low on the stuff. > >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > I'm sorry if my diction wasn't very succinct, but we are trying > >>> > > to follow the doctor's prescription to the letter. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks for all the concern folks. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Well, let me know how it goes. I have the iodine load test but just am not ready to take the ³plunge² to ingest the 50 mg of iodine that the test requires. Too much scary stuff out there about iodine... Are there at least tests you guys can have like for thyroid, cholesterol, and diabetes meds to see if what you are doing is at the right dose? Sue > > From: Mike Lawson > Date: 9/29/2008 8:42:42 PM > hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Subject: Re: Dropper full of Lugol's > > Well, that is the very reason that we are being very concise > about the dosing. We've heard conflicting data. Some > people all but gargle the stuff and others treat it like > it is poison. It is a halogen and has been used as an anti- > septic. If it is toxic enough to kill bacteria and viruses, > it seems like it should be treated with respect. > > I am going along for the ride too, with all the stress > I've been going through, I want to flush out all the > odd hormone metabolites as well. I've had swollen > glands and lymph nodes in my neck for a long time. > Going on thyroid replacement alleviated most of the > problems with the throat but I do still have swollen > glands behind my jaws. I read somewhere that iodine > can be good for this as well. > > I have been on such a low salt, low fat diet for so long > I probably was very low on the stuff. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Sue, PLEASE before you do an iodine " loading test " [which, incidentally, is bogus] read the post Chuck made about the possible side effects of iodine. I've included the whole thing below. Of particular interest is this quote: " For about 1-2%, the first dose in this range could be fatal, as an anaphylactoid reaction. " Be aware that Chuck posts well documented material; not somebody's quack idea. Regards, .. .. > You wrote: > > > > I thought I just read recently that Japaneses people get on average > > about 9 mg/day of iodine? ... I should google first ... > > > > That is the estimate that the good folks at Optimox like to quote. > Unfortunately, it was based on a confusion between the densities of > fresh and dessicated kelp. The real average consumption is less than 1 > mg/day. If you want to Google something about iodine, look for Dr. > Gaby's essay, in which he explains this measurement error. It was > corrected in the literature, but Optimox still quotes the error as a > promotion. Gaby's essay is also in our Archives. Several of us have > posted it. > > The real risks of any higher level of exposure are listed in any MSDS > (material safety data sheet). The tricky part of this is that the vast > majority of people will not have any initial adverse reaction > whatsoever, so the Lethal Dose numbers are relatively large. It is well > documented, however, that a sizable minority will develop an allergy to > chronic high dose exposure (> 3 mg/day) over time. For about 1-2%, the > first dose in this range could be fatal, as an anaphylactoid reaction. > Such doses would also be dangerous to someone with even slightly > impaired kidney function, with dermatitis herpetiformis or > hypocomplementemic vasculitis. These conditions put you at an increased > risk of iodine allergy. That is why the exposure limits are well below > this. > > For an example MSDS: > > http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Iodine-9927547 > > Exposure Limits: > STEL: 1 (mg/m3) from ACGIH (TLV) [united States] > STEL: 0.1 (ppm) from ACGIH (TLV) [united States] > TWA: 1 CEIL: 1 (mg/m3) from OSHA (PEL) [united States] > TWA: 0.1 CEIL: 0.1 (ppm) from OSHA (PEL) [united States] > STEL: 0.1 (ppm) [united Kingdom (UK)] > STEL: 1.1 (mg/m3) [united Kingdom (UK)]Consult local authorities for > acceptable exposure limits. > > Chronic Effects on Humans: > Causes damage to the following organs: thyroid. > May cause damage to the following organs: blood, kidneys, liver, skin, > eyes.... > > Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals: > Lowest Published Lethal Dose: > LDL [Human] - Route: Oral; Dose: 28 mg/kg > LCL [Rat] - Route: Inhalation; Dose: 137 ppm/1H > > Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans: May cause adverse > reproductive effects (effects on new born). > > Eyes: Causes eye irritation and burns. May cause conjunctivitis. > Exposure to vapor can cause burning > sensation in the eyes, tearing, inflammation of the eye lids. Exposure > to high concentrations of vapor can cause > Dendritic Keratitis in which the corneal epithelium is sloughed off. > Inhalation: Excessive inhalation of iodine vapors may cause respiratory > tract, nasal, and mucous membrane > irritation with possible burns. Symptoms may include coughing, tightness > in the chest, burning sensations to the > mucosal, tracheal, and pulmonary tissues, rhinitis, dyspnea/respiratory > distress, coughing, sneezing, pulmonary > edema, chemical pneumonitis, edema of the larynx and bronchi, > pharyngitis, swelling of the parotid gland, and > cachexia. High exposure may lead to lung disease and may also affect > behavior/central nervous system (delirium, > hallucination, depression, seizure, dizziness, headache, stupor, > somnolence). > > Ingestion: Ingestion of large doses may cause irritation of mouth of the > digestive tract with thirst, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, > hypermotility, and diarrhea, staining of mouth, esophagus, lips, mucous > membranes, metallic taste, abdominal pain, fever. It may also affect the > cardiovascular system (tachycardia, hypotension, cardiovascular > collapse), behavior/central nervous system(delirium, dizziness, > headache, hallucinations, seizures,...etc. > > The rare but still dangerous allergic reaction would be characterized by > difficulty breathing, speaking or swallowing; wheezing; shortness of > breath or swelling of the mouth or throat. > > Chuck .. .. > > > Posted by: " eastodurango@... " > eastodurango@... > <mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Dropper%20full%20of%20Lugo\ l%27s> > jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111> > > > Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:26 pm (PDT) > > That makes sense on the Armour... > but why so ³to the letter² on the iodine? > > Sorry for the questions, but I am fixin¹ to do an > iodine load test, maybe, probably, possibly and > have read so much about little bits of iodine vs > large doses of iodine and wonder why the exact dosing on that front? > > Is it a finer line with iodine? > > I find it all so confusing Âiodine that is. > > My endo told me not to touch it cuz of my Hashimotos. > My nutritinist says it¹s OK. > > Some here say NO WAY and others say TAKE LOTS! > > Are you on the iodine too? > > sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Hi , I don¹t know if I will do the test ‹ I went ahead and got it cuz so many are saying iodine is good. Some people don¹t think ³suggesting stuff² doesn¹t carry any responsibility or have an impact. It does. That said, wanna buy an Iodine Load test kit? Still sealed, in original box., unused......yada yada. Going once.............going twice........... Thanks for your concern ‹ I don¹t plan to ingest the iodine any time soon. It was something I bought feeling both brave and curious that day, I suppose. I dunno sue On 9/30/08 9:59 AM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote: > > > > Sue, PLEASE before you do an iodine " loading test " [which, incidentally, > is bogus] read the post Chuck made about the possible side effects of > iodine. I've included the whole thing below. Of particular interest is > this quote: " For about 1-2%, the first dose in this range could be > fatal, as an anaphylactoid reaction. " Be aware that Chuck posts well > documented material; not somebody's quack idea. > > Regards, > > . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 My wife and I wouldn't touch the stuff if a doctor hadn't prescribed it. Yeah, taking 50 mg of iodine would scare me. Makes me think of something off of X-Files. If the stuff is toxic enough to be used as an antiseptic, it is too toxic to take in more than homeopathic doses, but that's just my opinion. > > Well, let me know how it goes. > I have the iodine load test but just am not ready to take > the ³plunge² to ingest the 50 mg of iodine that the test requires. Too much > scary stuff out there about iodine... > > Are there at least tests you guys can have like for thyroid, > cholesterol, and diabetes meds to see if what you are doing is at the right > dose? > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nancie, C'mon anaphylaxis is fun! The stuff nearly killed you? I would stay away from the stuff too. -Mike > > mike- > i avoid it because i am deathly allergic to iodine. i think that if i wasn > t so allergic- i would propbably try it. but unless i want to experience > near death or death again- i am going to stay away, lol > nancie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 The test the labs that perform the ³iodine load test² kits ship it with 50 mg of ioderal. I just looked it up and it¹s not equal to 50 mg of iodine, it¹s 20 mg of iodine and 30 mg of iodide... It¹s a 24 hour urine test you take after taking the idoral to see if you are actaully low in iodine to begin with. I think you guys are taking about 12.5 mg of iodine each with your 5 drops of 25 Lugols each. sue On 9/30/08 10:36 PM, " Mike Lawson " <mlawson66@...> wrote: > > > > My wife and I wouldn't touch the stuff if a doctor hadn't prescribed it. > > Yeah, taking 50 mg of iodine would scare me. Makes me think of > something off of X-Files. If the stuff is toxic enough to be used > as an antiseptic, it is too toxic to take in more than homeopathic > doses, but that's just my opinion. > > >> > >> > Well, let me know how it goes. >> > I have the iodine load test but just am not ready to take >> > the ³plunge² to ingest the 50 mg of iodine that the test requires. Too >> much >> > scary stuff out there about iodine... >> > >> > Are there at least tests you guys can have like for thyroid, >> > cholesterol, and diabetes meds to see if what you are doing is at the >> right >> > dose? >> > >> > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 The 5% solution of Lugol's is: Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide (KI) mixed with 85 ml distilled water, to make a brown solution with a total iodine content of 130 mg/mL. 1 drop = 1/20 ml 2 drops @ 5% = 13 mg iodine. 5 drops @ 2% = 13 mg iodine. The atomic weight of iodine is 126.90447 The atomic weight of potassium is 38.963707 The ratio of iodine to patassium in potassium iodide is: 126.90447/(126.90447 + 38.963707) = .7651 20 mg I2 + (.7651 * 30) = 42.95 mg I2. US RDA for iodine is 150 mcg. Maximum iodine dosing info: http://tinyurl.com/max-iodine-dose 4-8 mg/liter of water. I drink at least 2 liters of water a day so if the water had been iodated (instead of chlorinated) I would be consuming 16 mg iodine daily. I'll definitely stop if I get kelp sores... Hope this helps. -Mike > >> > > >> > Well, let me know how it goes. > >> > I have the iodine load test but just am not ready to take > >> > the ³plunge² to ingest the 50 mg of iodine that the test requires. Too > >> much > >> > scary stuff out there about iodine... > >> > > >> > Are there at least tests you guys can have like for thyroid, > >> > cholesterol, and diabetes meds to see if what you are doing is at the > >> right > >> > dose? > >> > > >> > Sue > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 LOL. As I said, looks like about 12.5, 13 is close enough for me LOL Anyway, if RDA is 150 mcg how many times over that are you taking? Close to 860 x the RDA? Why would you get sores? Is that a side effect of iodine? sue On 10/1/08 5:00 AM, " Mike Lawson " <mlawson66@...> wrote: > > > > The 5% solution of Lugol's is: > Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide (KI) > mixed with 85 ml > distilled water, to make a brown solution with a total iodine content of 130 > mg/mL. > > 1 drop = 1/20 ml > > 2 drops @ 5% = 13 mg iodine. > 5 drops @ 2% = 13 mg iodine. > > > I drink at least 2 liters of water a day so if the water had been iodated > (instead of > chlorinated) I would be consuming 16 mg iodine daily. > > I'll definitely stop if I get kelp sores... > > Hope this helps. > > -Mike > > Have a nice day ! > > > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 " Kelp " sores, eh? That would be a bromide detox symptom... www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedominancetheory.html http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.html Sam > > > > > > > > > The 5% solution of Lugol's is: > > Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide (KI) > > mixed with 85 ml > > distilled water, to make a brown solution with a total iodine content of 130 > > mg/mL. > > > > 1 drop = 1/20 ml > > > > 2 drops @ 5% = 13 mg iodine. > > 5 drops @ 2% = 13 mg iodine. > > > > > > I drink at least 2 liters of water a day so if the water had been iodated > > (instead of > > chlorinated) I would be consuming 16 mg iodine daily. > > > > I'll definitely stop if I get kelp sores... > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > -Mike > > > > Have a nice day ! > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Thanks for this link. Geezzzzzzzz......... Great to see they put bromide in bread, etc. NOT. sue On 10/1/08 10:28 AM, " Sam " <k9gang@...> wrote: > > > > " Kelp " sores, eh? That would be a bromide detox symptom... > www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedominancetheory.html > > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.html > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 ....and in the fire retardant in little kids jammies...and a few gazillion other things... Sam > > > > > > > > > " Kelp " sores, eh? That would be a bromide detox symptom... > > www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html > > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedominancetheory.html > > > > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.html > > > > Sam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I saw that ‹ kinda like ³kill Œem out of kindness..² sue On 10/1/08 12:00 PM, " Sam " <k9gang@...> wrote: > > > > > ...and in the fire retardant in little kids jammies...and > a few gazillion other things... > > Sam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Hi Sue, > Anyway, if RDA is 150 mcg how many times over that are you taking? > Close to 860 x the RDA? 150 mcg = .15 mg 13 mg/ .15 mg = 86 1/3 Unless I've dropped a decimal point somewhere. Very sleepy this morning. > Why would you get sores? Is that a side effect of iodine? Too much iodine can cause skin ulceration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Yeah, in Japan people eat a lot of kelp, and some of them get skin ulceration from eating too much of it. I don't know the exact pharmacokinetics, just the causal relationship. > > " Kelp " sores, eh? That would be a bromide detox symptom... > www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedominancetheory.html > > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.html > > Sam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I think it is a conspiracy. Big drug companies don't want us healthy. ;-) > > > > > > > > > " Kelp " sores, eh? That would be a bromide detox symptom... > > www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html > > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedominancetheory.html > > > > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.html > > > > Sam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 That's just awful! > > > ...and in the fire retardant in little kids jammies...and > a few gazillion other things... > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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