Re: Addicted to love

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I am not peeing out 100mg of iodine. it is going somewhere. if I don't

take enough I am really a mess.

Gracia

BTW, if you do take a giant slug of iodine/iodide, about 75% of it is

supposed to end up in urine in the first 24 hours. Variable amounts go

to the stool, which is why the loading test is bogus. However, long

term, nearly all iodine is excreted by the kidneys. For that to be an

equilibrium condition, a steady state, 100% must be excreted every day.

So, if Gracia is taking 100 mg, her kidneys must handle very close to

100 mg of it, every day.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

Gracia, How do you know how much you are peeing out? Just curious...

Chuck, I'm not seeing the logic in your assertion here...ideally, in a

perfect world, I suppose it could be expected that 100% would be

excreted via the kidneys...but this is like saying 100% of all food &

liquids are going to be excreted via the liver or the kidneys...this

just isn't so as the human body converts everything it can and/or

needs into energy...to use an electronic analogy...force (voltage)

travels through a resistor (resistance) to create current (energy),

which is then all converted into power (P = I x E or P = I2/R); some

loss occurs in the form of heat...

>

>

> I am not peeing out 100mg of iodine. it is going somewhere. if

I don't take enough I am really a mess.

> Gracia

>

> BTW, if you do take a giant slug of iodine/iodide, about 75% of it is

> supposed to end up in urine in the first 24 hours. Variable

amounts go

> to the stool, which is why the loading test is bogus. However, long

> term, nearly all iodine is excreted by the kidneys. For that to be an

> equilibrium condition, a steady state, 100% must be excreted every

day.

> So, if Gracia is taking 100 mg, her kidneys must handle very close to

> 100 mg of it, every day.

>

> Chuck

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[Guest guest]

It sure sounds like Down the drain is where its going, but the guy who sold

it you and others is 'going' to the bank! Teehee

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> I am not peeing out 100mg of iodine. it is going somewhere. if I don't

> take enough I am really a mess.

> Gracia

>

> BTW, if you do take a giant slug of iodine/iodide, about 75% of it is

> supposed to end up in urine in the first 24 hours. Variable amounts go

> to the stool, which is why the loading test is bogus. However, long

> term, nearly all iodine is excreted by the kidneys. For that to be an

> equilibrium condition, a steady state, 100% must be excreted every day.

> So, if Gracia is taking 100 mg, her kidneys must handle very close to

> 100 mg of it, every day.

>

> Chuck

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[Guest guest]

It's P = I x E or P = I[squared] x R or P =E[squared]/R. Unless the

rules have been changed or my memory has burned out during the half

century since I learned that. [ggg]

..

..

> (P = I x E or P = I2/R); some

> loss occurs in the form of heat...

>

[Guest guest]

It's P = I x E or P = I[squared] x R or P =E[squared]/R. Unless the

rules have been changed or my memory has burned out during the half

century since I learned that. [ggg]

..

..

> (P = I x E or P = I2/R); some

> loss occurs in the form of heat...

>

[Guest guest]

lol...yes, you are correct! What can I say...I was tired and brain

dead when I wrote that!!! Thank you for correcting me. Once

again...My Bad! ;-) I even know how we get there... E = I x R and

since P = I x E, therefore plugging in I x R for E, P = I2 x R and

plugging E/R in for I, also P = I2/R... <searching for an embarrassed

icon>

>

> It's P = I x E or P = I[squared] x R or P =E[squared]/R. Unless the

> rules have been changed or my memory has burned out during the half

> century since I learned that. [ggg]

>

>

> .

> .

>

> > (P = I x E or P = I2/R); some

> > loss occurs in the form of heat...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

P=progesterone?

I=iodine?

E=estrogen?

R=?

LOL

Gracia

lol...yes, you are correct! What can I say...I was tired and brain

dead when I wrote that!!! Thank you for correcting me. Once

again...My Bad! ;-) I even know how we get there... E = I x R and

since P = I x E, therefore plugging in I x R for E, P = I2 x R and

plugging E/R in for I, also P = I2/R... <searching for an embarrassed

icon>

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[Guest guest]

lol... R = reverse T3 or 4?... ;-)

>

>

> P=progesterone?

> I=iodine?

> E=estrogen?

> R=?

> LOL

> Gracia

>

>

>

> lol...yes, you are correct! What can I say...I was tired and brain

> dead when I wrote that!!! Thank you for correcting me. Once

> again...My Bad! ;-) I even know how we get there... E = I x R and

> since P = I x E, therefore plugging in I x R for E, P = I2 x R and

> plugging E/R in for I, also P = I2/R... <searching for an embarrassed

> icon>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I am not peeing out 100mg of iodine.

In long term equilibrium, the incoming rate (flux) has to equal the outgoing

one. It's one of those laws of physics things. Stool + urine + exhalation =

100%.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

uhh...Chuck, where did the energy go...? lol

> >

> > I am not peeing out 100mg of iodine.

>

> In long term equilibrium, the incoming rate (flux) has to equal the

outgoing one. It's one of those laws of physics things. Stool + urine

+ exhalation = 100%.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ...this just isn't so as the human body converts everything it can and/or

> needs into energy...to use an electronic analogy...force (voltage)

> travels through a resistor (resistance) to create current (energy),

> which is then all converted into power (P = I x E or P = I2/R); some

> loss occurs in the form of heat...

Nonsense. Chemical elements are perfectly conserved, unless you have nuclear

reactions taking place. If iodine goes in, iodine must come out, mostly through

the kidneys but some in the stool.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I think pretty much all energy winds up as heat.

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>

> Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@...

> <mailto:cindy.seeley@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Addicted%20to%20love>

> cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley>

>

>

> Tue Dec 9, 2008 9:24 am (PST)

>

> uhh...Chuck, where did the energy go...? lol

>

[Guest guest]

see below ;-) G'morning, btw!

> > It's P = I x E or P = I[squared] x R or P =E[squared]/R. Unless the

> > rules have been changed or my memory has burned out during the half

> > century since I learned that.

>

> Your memory has not short circuited.

>

> Chuck

>

Hey Guys,

I just had an epiphany...the cardiologist said the results of one of

my tests showed that my irregular heartbeat is the result of

'electrical signals' are screwed up...ya s'pose the wiring's gotten

screwed up in my brain too...? Maybe I should see a neurologist so I

can get my brain rewired...or have those caps checked out to make sure

the smoke didn't get out... teehee...

[Guest guest]

....you clipped out the 'lol' (laugh out loud)...it was a joke... ;-)

> >

> >

> > uhh...Chuck, where did the energy go...?

>

> What energy? Iodine reduction to iodide is endothermic.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

you need enough Armour, adrenal and sex hormones to get rewired.

Gracia

see below ;-) G'morning, btw!

> > It's P = I x E or P = I[squared] x R or P =E[squared]/R. Unless the

> > rules have been changed or my memory has burned out during the half

> > century since I learned that.

>

> Your memory has not short circuited.

>

> Chuck

>

Hey Guys,

I just had an epiphany...the cardiologist said the results of one of

my tests showed that my irregular heartbeat is the result of

'electrical signals' are screwed up...ya s'pose the wiring's gotten

screwed up in my brain too...? Maybe I should see a neurologist so I

can get my brain rewired...or have those caps checked out to make sure

the smoke didn't get out... teehee...

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9:30 AM

[Guest guest]

Oh, my gosh...you caught me again! (where's that danged embarrassed

icon?)...I'm thinking 2 - < 5 hours of sleep a night is just not

cutting it...since I got very little sleep last night (coming down

with bronchitis), I'm not even going to go there again...you have most

certainly demonstrated ... that was definitely a typo, rather than an

error (right middle finger instead of the left middle finger), as I

clearly demonstrated that I = E/R => P = E2/R (substituting that typo

in, of course!)... I've only ever simulated 3-phase in the labs

(MCCB-the biggest honker even!), both on multi-amps and then in high

power labs! It's been 12 years since I did that...most of the stuff

I've done in development was on a component level and circuit board

level...

In addition to having to understand the theory of what I did, I also

had to know and understand the hands on...I trained several

'engineers' fresh out of college that didn't even know what most of

the components looked like. At one time, when I was given the

responsibility to train either 4 or 5 new personnel, rather than spend

hours with each individually (since for the most part, my job was

self-directed--I got to decide 'how' I wanted to do most of it), I

developed an orientation type program for all of them, then took them

individually to work with introducing them to the things they needed

to learn as they related to their specific job requirements. It was a

really fun job! There was only 1 year that I was bored out of my

mine...corporate killed every single project we were working on, but

didn't lay any of us off...so we all had to show up everyday for work

and do nothing except put in our 8 hours...I have to admit, in some

ways I probably had it the best though, 'cause I was also the

interface for out department to manufacturing, so once in awhile, I

did get a problem to solve out there... :-)

> > >

> > > It's P = I x E or P = I[squared] x R or P =E[squared]/R. Unless the

> > > rules have been changed or my memory has burned out during the half

> > > century since I learned that. [ggg]

> > >

> > >

> > > .

> > > .

> > >

> > > > (P = I x E or P = I2/R); some

> > > > loss occurs in the form of heat...

> > > >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I know that!...now to convince my doctor of the same next

week...I would much rather to achieve this with her support, rather

than having to do it completely on my own!...if it ends up the latter,

I'll most likely end up having to find a new doctor regardless...

>

>

> you need enough Armour, adrenal and sex hormones to get rewired.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

I also have arrhythmia. My cardiologist suggested a procedure to " burn

out " the source of the excess electrical pulses. However one of the

possible side effects from the procedure is a small but none zero

probability o f death. I haven't bee real keen to have it done, since

it is well controlled with a beta [or calcium?] blocker.

..

..

> Hey Guys,

> I just had an epiphany...the cardiologist said the results of one of

> my tests showed that my irregular heartbeat is the result of

> 'electrical signals' are screwed up...ya s'pose the wiring's gotten

> screwed up in my brain too...? Maybe I should see a neurologist so I

> can get my brain rewired...or have those caps checked out to make sure

> the smoke didn't get out... teehee...

>

[Guest guest]

I can relate to that. As part of my job I designed electrical

distribution systems and created the work orders and constructions plans

as well as ordering all of the material needed to complete the job. And

then I would coordinate the construction phase. I had no degree and

frequently had to contribute [although unofficially] to the training of

the newly minted BA and MA engineers who would pass through on their way

to a better job. More than once it amazed me the level of knowledge

they did not possess, even though they were in fact intelligent and well

educated.

I once had an argument with two engineers on a job. I knew they were

wrong, but after they both repeatedly insisted I was wrong I just shut

up and let it ride. To his credit one of them came to me the next day

and told me that after thinking it over he had decided that I obviously

was correct. To me the funny thing was that it wasn't some esoteric

principle; it was so basic I really couldn't understand how someone with

a degree in electrical engineering could fail to grasp it.

Regards,

> .I trained several

> 'engineers' fresh out of college that didn't even know what most of

> the components looked like.

[Guest guest]

this is a symptom of poorly treated hypothyroidism. your doc thinks that

every symptom is a different disease. you have adrenal probs--you would see a

world of difference on cortef, Armour and iodine. this is why I think most

peeps get very poor medical care.

Gracia

I also have arrhythmia. My cardiologist suggested a procedure to " burn

out " the source of the excess electrical pulses. However one of the

possible side effects from the procedure is a small but none zero

probability o f death. I haven't bee real keen to have it done, since

it is well controlled with a beta [or calcium?] blocker.

.

.

> Hey Guys,

> I just had an epiphany...the cardiologist said the results of one of

> my tests showed that my irregular heartbeat is the result of

> 'electrical signals' are screwed up...ya s'pose the wiring's gotten

> screwed up in my brain too...? Maybe I should see a neurologist so I

> can get my brain rewired...or have those caps checked out to make sure

> the smoke didn't get out... teehee...

>

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[Guest guest]

I've had an irregular heartbeat too that has stopped

speeding up & slowing down since starting iodine & adrenal support.

Ali

On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Gracia wrote:

>

> this is a symptom of poorly treated hypothyroidism. your doc thinks

> that every symptom is a different disease. you have adrenal probs--

> you would see a world of difference on cortef, Armour and iodine.

> this is why I think most peeps get very poor medical care.

> Gracia

>

> I also have arrhythmia. My cardiologist suggested a procedure to " burn

> out " the source of the excess electrical pulses. However one of the

> possible side effects from the procedure is a small but none zero

> probability o f death. I haven't bee real keen to have it done, since

> it is well controlled with a beta [or calcium?] blocker.

>

>

> .

> .

>

> > Hey Guys,

> > I just had an epiphany...the cardiologist said the results of one of

> > my tests showed that my irregular heartbeat is the result of

> > 'electrical signals' are screwed up...ya s'pose the wiring's gotten

> > screwed up in my brain too...? Maybe I should see a neurologist so I

> > can get my brain rewired...or have those caps checked out to make

> sure

> > the smoke didn't get out... teehee...

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, Dr. Gracia! [ggg] Do you mind if I get a second opinion;

perhaps from someone who attended more medical school than I did [which

was zero]? And who doesn't happen to sell iodine or publish fluff

pieces promoting it...

Gracia, I know you mean well but that's foolish. To you everything is a

symptom of hypothyroidism. Your beliefs approach a religious fervor,

and your mantra is cortef, Armour and iodine. I've had the arrhythmia

for all of the 67 years that I can remember, while my hypothyroidism was

discovered just before I joined this group. The levels of the TSH tests

strongly suggest that the hypo was caught almost at once, as my TSH was

only a tiny bit above the reference range; and it increased by about one

point over the few weeks before my nest test. It was quickly brought

back into range with Synthroid. I never had any symptoms before or

after, also possibly because it was discovered and treated so soon after

onset.

The arrhythmia is apparently caused because I have an extra node that

sends out extra pulses in my heart. It's not because of iodine

deficiency or adrenal problems. My system has a life long tendency to

exhibit hyperadrenalism rather than an adrenal deficit.

No credible doctor in the world would diagnose me on such scant

information as you have. Sorry, but one size does not fit all.

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Addicted%20to%20love>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:37 am (PST)

>

>

> this is a symptom of poorly treated hypothyroidism. your doc thinks

> that every symptom is a different disease. you have adrenal probs--you

> would see a world of difference on cortef, Armour and iodine. this is

> why I think most peeps get very poor medical care.

> Gracia

>

> I also have arrhythmia. My cardiologist suggested a procedure to " burn

> out " the source of the excess electrical pulses. However one of the

> possible side effects from the procedure is a small but none zero

> probability o f death. I haven't bee real keen to have it done, since

> it is well controlled with a beta [or calcium?] blocker.

>

>

[Guest guest]

That may be so, but all the credible evidence suggests that in a

controlled double blind study the results would drop to placebo or chance.

My heart rate was never slow; as a matter of fact it was always on the

high side. But the arrythmia would cause it to jump up to a high rate.

That is well controlled with the medication I take; which certainly

isn't what Gracia or the iodine docs would prescribe.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " rubyrain11@...

>

<mailto:rubyrain11@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Addicted%20to%20love>

> gypsy1jig <gypsy1jig>

>

>

> Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:35 am (PST)

>

> I've had an irregular heartbeat too that has stopped

> speeding up & slowing down since starting iodine & adrenal support.

> Ali

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I hit the send button in error. The former message is changed.

I misspelled arrhythmia...

> That may be so, but all the credible evidence suggests that in a

> controlled double blind study the results would drop to placebo or

> chance.

>

> My heart rate was never slow; as a matter of fact it was always on the

> high side. But the arrhythmia would cause it to jump up to a high

> rate. That is well controlled with the medication I take; which

> certainly isn't what Gracia or the iodine docs would prescribe.

>

>

> .

> .

>

>>

>> Posted by: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " rubyrain11@...

>>

>> <mailto:rubyrain11@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Addicted%20to%20love>

>>

>> gypsy1jig <gypsy1jig>

>>

>>

>> Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:35 am (PST)

>>

>> I've had an irregular heartbeat too that has stopped

>> speeding up & slowing down since starting iodine & adrenal support.

>> Ali

>

>

[Guest guest]

most ppl would opt for giving the body what it needs. the allopathic

approach is " to control " .

gracia

That may be so, but all the credible evidence suggests that in a

controlled double blind study the results would drop to placebo or chance.

My heart rate was never slow; as a matter of fact it was always on the

high side. But the arrythmia would cause it to jump up to a high rate.

That is well controlled with the medication I take; which certainly

isn't what Gracia or the iodine docs would prescribe.

.

.

>

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