Re:Fw: [iodine] The bioavailability of iodine applied to the skin by Dr

[Guest guest]

There you have it, straight from the alter on high: " ...The skin iodine

patch test is not a reliable method to access whole body sufficiency

for iodine... " . Strange. I read somewhere [is it not true?] that the

skin iodine patch test was invented by Dr. Abraham. I also read that he

just happens to own Optimox, which makes and sells iodine products.

I wonder if the fact that other alternative medical practitioners

pointed out that the skin iodine patch test was totally bogus had

anything to do with this admission by Dr. Abraham??? I wonder how many

more years or decades we'll still hear proponents of the none-standard

use of iodine spout this crap?

None of which, BTW has anything to do with the effacy of iodine use for

medical conditions. But it _does_ point out IMHO that proponents are

either massively ignorant or willfully deceptive when they promote the

bogus skin iodine patch test.

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

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> Sat Dec 6, 2008 9:33 pm (PST)

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> This is another article published in 2008 by Dr. Abraham.

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> http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD23.pdf

> <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD23.pdf>

[Guest guest]

Uhhh......just a few days ago, you said the reverse...you also

said Dr. Brownstein owns Optimox

Regardless, Dr. Brownstein's book was in my mailbox when I got home

yesterday evening...btw, he cites WHO/UNICEF/ICCIDD in his statements

so far...some of which I've already confirmed by the book that I

directed you to Chapter 20...the one in frames...btw, did you happen

to notice the book is sponsored by Abbott (clear down at the bottom in

the left frame, you'll see it)

>

> There you have it, straight from the alter on high: " ...The skin

iodine

> patch test is not a reliable method to access whole body sufficiency

> for iodine... " . Strange. I read somewhere [is it not true?] that the

> skin iodine patch test was invented by Dr. Abraham. I also read

that he

> just happens to own Optimox, which makes and sells iodine products.

>

> I wonder if the fact that other alternative medical practitioners

> pointed out that the skin iodine patch test was totally bogus had

> anything to do with this admission by Dr. Abraham??? I wonder how many

> more years or decades we'll still hear proponents of the none-standard

> use of iodine spout this crap?

>

> None of which, BTW has anything to do with the effacy of iodine use for

> medical conditions. But it _does_ point out IMHO that proponents are

> either massively ignorant or willfully deceptive when they promote the

> bogus skin iodine patch test.

>

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> >

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> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Sat Dec 6, 2008 9:33 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > This is another article published in 2008 by Dr. Abraham.

> >

> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD23.pdf

> > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD23.pdf>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, . See below...

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> Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@...

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> cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley>

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> Sun Dec 7, 2008 5:34 pm (PST)

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> Uhhh....

> ..just a few days ago, you said the reverse...

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The reverse of what?

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> you also said Dr. Brownstein owns Optimox

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I doubt I said that; but I have written a few posts lately as late as

3:00 AM in which I found lots of errors in proofing and still others

after they appeared on this list. I'm fairly certain it's Abraham who

owns Optimox; although both Brownstein and Flechas write the same kind

of material. Those three are AFAIK the " iodine docs " ; but there may be

others.

I did a search of the message database back to May and I did not find

where I had stated that Dr. Brownstein owned Optimox; I always said

Abraham. I'm afraid you have remembered it wrong unless you can provide

the specific reference. But I looked at every post brought up by a

search of Brownstein and Optimox and failed to find such a post. You

probably know how to search the database better than I, but if you don't

give me a shout and I'll help you.

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> Regardless, Dr. Brownstein's book was in my mailbox when I got home

> yesterday evening...btw, he cites WHO/UNICEF/ICCIDD in his statements

> so far...some of which I've already confirmed by the book that I

> directed you to Chapter 20...the one in frames...btw, did you happen

> to notice the book is sponsored by Abbott (clear down at the bottom in

> the left frame, you'll see it)

>

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If I did I don't really remember it.

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If I did indeed say something different from one post to the next I'd

appreciate if you would point it out. But I need you to be specific

enough that I know what it is that I supposedly misspoke on so I can

correct it. I am fairly well positive that I did not nor have I ever

stated that the iodine skin patch test is valid; rather I have called it

bogus _many_ times here. I make it a point of honor to _never_

" doublespeak " , either here or elsewhere. But as I'm human I'm bound to

make mistakes; although I try very hard to limit them.

Regards,

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>

> >

> > There you have it, straight from the alter on high: " ...The skin

> iodine

> > patch test is not a reliable method to access whole body sufficiency

> > for iodine... " . Strange. I read somewhere [is it not true?] that the

> > skin iodine patch test was invented by Dr. Abraham. I also read

> that he

> > just happens to own Optimox, which makes and sells iodine products.

> >

> > I wonder if the fact that other alternative medical practitioners

> > pointed out that the skin iodine patch test was totally bogus had

> > anything to do with this admission by Dr. Abraham??? I wonder how many

> > more years or decades we'll still hear proponents of the none-standard

> > use of iodine spout this crap?

> >

> > None of which, BTW has anything to do with the effacy of iodine use for

> > medical conditions. But it _does_ point out IMHO that proponents are

> > either massively ignorant or willfully deceptive when they promote the

> > bogus skin iodine patch test.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

see below...

>

> Hi, . See below...

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> > Sun Dec 7, 2008 5:34 pm (PST)

> >

> > Uhhh....

> > ..just a few days ago, you said the reverse...

> .

> .

> The reverse of what?

I guess it wouldn't exactly be the reverse...you said the 'load test'

was bogus and indicated that Dr. Brownstein et. al. supported the

'skin patch test'...which at the time made no sense to me since

everything I'd read on both cancerchoices and Optimox, to that point

indicated he recommended the 'load test'...

> > you also said Dr. Brownstein owns Optimox

It was in response to another post and Dr. Brownstein had been the

subject of the conversation in the prior post, which led me to believe

you were referring to Dr. Brownstein in your comment. I think it was

on this board, but can't absolutely swear to it...prior to that I had

no clue as to who owned Optimox and had not reached the point where it

mattered...that verification would have come later in my process...a

WhoIs would only take a matter of seconds...

> I doubt I said that; but I have written a few posts lately as late as

> 3:00 AM in which I found lots of errors in proofing and still others

> after they appeared on this list. I'm fairly certain it's Abraham who

> owns Optimox; although both Brownstein and Flechas write the same kind

> of material. Those three are AFAIK the " iodine docs " ; but there may be

> others.

I have read other doctors who have referred to Dr. Abraham as the

'Father of Thyroid Medicine'...

>

> I did a search of the message database back to May and I did not find

> where I had stated that Dr. Brownstein owned Optimox; I always said

> Abraham. I'm afraid you have remembered it wrong unless you can

provide

> the specific reference. But I looked at every post brought up by a

> search of Brownstein and Optimox and failed to find such a post.

The reason it stood out in my mind was at the time, I hadn't yet made

the connection between Dr. Abraham and Dr. Brownstein...I didn't even

know that Dr. Abraham was an 'iodine' doc as you put it...although,

IIRC, a post or two later in the same thread, you blew all three docs

off as 'quacks'...

You

> probably know how to search the database better than I, but if you

don't

> give me a shout and I'll help you.

It'd be easier if there were a way to search within the digests in my

Outlook, but unfortunately, the searches I've tried there for other

things have yielded zip...even when I checked search within text (the

bodies)...I have DSL, but it's the very slowest technology DSL has, so

it takes forever for pages to load and I just don't have the time to

search right now, especially since I'd also have to get over the

learning curve of how the search engine in works; I've never

used it before...you might try searching on my name and look at your

posts just before I began posting...it should be within the last 3 - 4

weeks...I only signed up for a account 2 1/2 weeks ago and only

read threads back to the beginning of November...had I done anything

else, I'd likely still be reading.

> >

> > Regardless, Dr. Brownstein's book was in my mailbox when I got home

> > yesterday evening...btw, he cites WHO/UNICEF/ICCIDD in his statements

> > so far...some of which I've already confirmed by the book that I

> > directed you to Chapter 20...the one in frames...btw, did you happen

> > to notice the book is sponsored by Abbott (clear down at the bottom in

> > the left frame, you'll see it)

> >

> .

> .

> If I did I don't really remember it.

It was just an observation I made when I was verifying something I

read in Dr. Brownstein's book. I hadn't noticed it until then

myself...I just thought you might be interested...and I suspect you

would consider Abbott 'credible'.

> If I did indeed say something different from one post to the next I'd

> appreciate if you would point it out. But I need you to be specific

> enough that I know what it is that I supposedly misspoke on so I can

> correct it. I am fairly well positive that I did not nor have I ever

> stated that the iodine skin patch test is valid; rather I have

called it

> bogus _many_ times here. I make it a point of honor to _never_

> " doublespeak " , either here or elsewhere. But as I'm human I'm bound to

> make mistakes; although I try very hard to limit them.

As I said above, I obviously used the wrong word 'reverse'...the point

I was trying to get across was that recently you had made an almost

identical statement, but it was regarding the loading test being bogus

in that instance...and Dr. Brownstein supporting the other...vs. this

time Dr. Brownstein apparently more in favor of the loading test over

the skin patch test...which from what I've read of his book so far, he

points out the inaccuracies of the skin patch test...the weaknesses

inherent in the process, with the loading test providing a higher

level of accuracy, but still not being the ideal...

As I said in another thread...it appears to me that the study of

iodine is an evolving process...just because a test that once was the

'best' for a particular application at the time, doesn't mean that

with increased research and newer and better methods being identified

that we should 'throw the baby out with the wash water'... ;-)

After-all, how many iterations of testing have gone on in the area of

thyroid testing, before doctors finally settled on the 'TSH'...which

is next to worthless IMNSHO...

> Regards,

>

Catch you in another thread... :-)