Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 What's the best plan of attack here? That depends on the desired outcome. Gertie are you going to these sessions with your husband? You could make this shrink's life so miserable that he discharges your husband as a patient, but then you'll need another pusher to supply the drugs to get him off safely. YOu could ask the shrink why he prescribed to your step-daughter when she lived in another country, and oh, by the way, isn't THAT illegal??? You can drop plenty of subtle hints that will scare the crap out of this guy. You could insist that he bill Medicare. You could also write him a letter and tell him that you are holding him responsible if anything happens to your husband. You could report him to your local medical society. I'm assuming she'd like her husband drug-free, so I don't know how reporting the quack to the IRS accomplishes that. But enough red flags could be waved that the shrink gets rid of his patient, after all, there are plenty more where he came from. Or you could do some plain old foot stomping ultimatums -- it's ME or your SHRINK!!! " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Good, Glitter, I like most of them, and have considered most of them. I joined this group to find out if I was paranoid, or if this shrink really is as bad as I thought he is. No, I don't go to the sessions, because when P said I ought to go with him sometime, I said no: first, I don't want to endorse him as a medical practitioner by going to his office and putting myself into his presence; second, because if I told him what I think, he would dig up something from their reimbursements book to label me with; and third, because, related, he would tell my husband I needed a drug to cope. Who the heck knows what he would say about me if he got me into his sanctum with the only witness his brainwashed " patient. " ? I think these shrinks are dangerous, unreliable, unscrupulous, and I keep my distance accordingly. Gertie Re: Quacks What's the best plan of attack here? That depends on the desired outcome. Gertie are you going to these sessions with your husband? You could make this shrink's life so miserable that he discharges your husband as a patient, but then you'll need another pusher to supply the drugs to get him off safely. YOu could ask the shrink why he prescribed to your step-daughter when she lived in another country, and oh, by the way, isn't THAT illegal??? You can drop plenty of subtle hints that will scare the crap out of this guy. You could insist that he bill Medicare. You could also write him a letter and tell him that you are holding him responsible if anything happens to your husband. You could report him to your local medical society. I'm assuming she'd like her husband drug-free, so I don't know how reporting the quack to the IRS accomplishes that. But enough red flags could be waved that the shrink gets rid of his patient, after all, there are plenty more where he came from. Or you could do some plain old foot stomping ultimatums -- it's ME or your SHRINK!!! " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Jim -- some of those are things that never occurred to me, and I will try them. I never jump into any course of action until I have studied ramifications from all sides. OK, everybody, I did marry this addict, only to learn a few discouraging facts afterwards... gertie Re: Quacks > What's the best plan of attack here? That depends on the desired outcome. > Gertie are you going to these sessions with your husband? You could make this > shrink's life so miserable that he discharges your husband as a patient, but > then you'll need another pusher to supply the drugs to get him off safely. YOu > could ask the shrink why he prescribed to your step-daughter when she lived > in another country, and oh, by the way, isn't THAT illegal??? You can drop > plenty of subtle hints that will scare the crap out of this guy. You could > insist that he bill Medicare. You could also write him a letter and tell him that > you are holding him responsible if anything happens to your husband. You could > report him to your local medical society. I'm assuming she'd like her > husband drug-free, so I don't know how reporting the quack to the IRS accomplishes > that. But enough red flags could be waved that the shrink gets rid of his > patient, after all, there are plenty more where he came from. Or you could do > some plain old foot stomping ultimatums -- it's ME or your SHRINK!!! > > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Jim -- some of those are things that never occurred to me, and I will try them. I never jump into any course of action until I have studied ramifications from all sides. OK, everybody, I did marry this addict, only to learn a few discouraging facts afterwards... gertie Re: Quacks > What's the best plan of attack here? That depends on the desired outcome. > Gertie are you going to these sessions with your husband? You could make this > shrink's life so miserable that he discharges your husband as a patient, but > then you'll need another pusher to supply the drugs to get him off safely. YOu > could ask the shrink why he prescribed to your step-daughter when she lived > in another country, and oh, by the way, isn't THAT illegal??? You can drop > plenty of subtle hints that will scare the crap out of this guy. You could > insist that he bill Medicare. You could also write him a letter and tell him that > you are holding him responsible if anything happens to your husband. You could > report him to your local medical society. I'm assuming she'd like her > husband drug-free, so I don't know how reporting the quack to the IRS accomplishes > that. But enough red flags could be waved that the shrink gets rid of his > patient, after all, there are plenty more where he came from. Or you could do > some plain old foot stomping ultimatums -- it's ME or your SHRINK!!! > > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Gertie, I am glad to help. You might find something even your husband can't ignore. Fair warning though, in my experience few people flourish under the care of a psychiatrist so I would start planning for everthing and anything. Protect yourself first and then save your husband. I would hate for you to not be able to walk away and get on with your life once the dust settles. Also you can look up the drugs involved and make them look really bad ( like they are) search google for the drugs name and the words " death " and then " lawsuite " and then " suicide " etc you can compile something that again your husband can't ignore. Best, Jim Re: Quacks > > > > What's the best plan of attack here? That depends on the desired outcome. > > Gertie are you going to these sessions with your husband? You could make > this > > shrink's life so miserable that he discharges your husband as a patient, > but > > then you'll need another pusher to supply the drugs to get him off safely. > YOu > > could ask the shrink why he prescribed to your step-daughter when she > lived > > in another country, and oh, by the way, isn't THAT illegal??? You can > drop > > plenty of subtle hints that will scare the crap out of this guy. You > could > > insist that he bill Medicare. You could also write him a letter and tell > him that > > you are holding him responsible if anything happens to your husband. You > could > > report him to your local medical society. I'm assuming she'd like her > > husband drug-free, so I don't know how reporting the quack to the IRS > accomplishes > > that. But enough red flags could be waved that the shrink gets rid of his > > patient, after all, there are plenty more where he came from. Or you > could do > > some plain old foot stomping ultimatums -- it's ME or your SHRINK!!! > > > > > > " Blind Reason " > > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Jim, it's not the suicides and violence that concern me, so much as the slow, inch by inch, eating away at the person and relationships, the early senility, the impaired judgement, the " small " illnesses, the early aging, the indifference, the lethargy...and on and on and on. The violence is spectacular, but I would like to see more written about the damaged lives, damaged in smaller, but very hurtful and tragic, ways. gertie Re: Quacks > > > > What's the best plan of attack here? That depends on the desired outcome. > > Gertie are you going to these sessions with your husband? You could make > this > > shrink's life so miserable that he discharges your husband as a patient, > but > > then you'll need another pusher to supply the drugs to get him off safely. > YOu > > could ask the shrink why he prescribed to your step-daughter when she > lived > > in another country, and oh, by the way, isn't THAT illegal??? You can > drop > > plenty of subtle hints that will scare the crap out of this guy. You > could > > insist that he bill Medicare. You could also write him a letter and tell > him that > > you are holding him responsible if anything happens to your husband. You > could > > report him to your local medical society. I'm assuming she'd like her > > husband drug-free, so I don't know how reporting the quack to the IRS > accomplishes > > that. But enough red flags could be waved that the shrink gets rid of his > > patient, after all, there are plenty more where he came from. Or you > could do > > some plain old foot stomping ultimatums -- it's ME or your SHRINK!!! > > > > > > " Blind Reason " > > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Gertie, You speak truth. I am used to having to get agreement from folks that have not been harmed and will gladly see a shrink for any emotional/spiritual/mental travail. the spectacular stuff does that but I agree completely that there is a much bigger slower death going on around us and you described it perfectly. Jim Re: Quacks > > > > > > > What's the best plan of attack here? That depends on the desired > outcome. > > > Gertie are you going to these sessions with your husband? You > could > make > > this > > > shrink's life so miserable that he discharges your husband as a > patient, > > but > > > then you'll need another pusher to supply the drugs to get him off > safely. > > YOu > > > could ask the shrink why he prescribed to your step-daughter when > she > > lived > > > in another country, and oh, by the way, isn't THAT illegal??? You > can > > drop > > > plenty of subtle hints that will scare the crap out of this guy. > You > > could > > > insist that he bill Medicare. You could also write him a letter > and > tell > > him that > > > you are holding him responsible if anything happens to your > husband. > You > > could > > > report him to your local medical society. I'm assuming she'd > like > her > > > husband drug-free, so I don't know how reporting the quack to the > IRS > > accomplishes > > > that. But enough red flags could be waved that the shrink gets rid > of > his > > > patient, after all, there are plenty more where he came from. Or > you > > could do > > > some plain old foot stomping ultimatums -- it's ME or your > SHRINK!!! > > > > > > > > > " Blind Reason " > > > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > > > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > > > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 So , What did you reply to the 'real doctors' question. Did you give him a shot or just pass? Schneider PDX ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:34:53 -0700 (PDT) >I recently listened to an orthopedic surgeon present >on shoulder injuries. He claimed to be " liberal " on >the subject of chiropractic. > >When I spoke to him after the talk, he asked me if I >could cure asthma. I recognized it as his " acid test " >to discover if I was one of those quack chiropractors. > > >Early in my carrer I was fortunate enough to help a 2 >year old girl who had asthma. The mother said the >little girl had been on corticosteroids for 6 months >without any positive outcome. She asked me to adjust >her. Immediately after adjusting T2 the little girls >asthma stopped. > >Now I see patients with asthma. I treat them for the >energy interferences they have to common items. Every >person I have treated this way that had asthma no >longer is experiencing asthmatic symptoms. > >I would rather be a quack than prescribe >pharmaceuticlas with toxic " side effects " and only >treat the symptoms. > >Who are the real quacks? > > >Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >771 Washington Street >Eugene, OR 97401 >(541) 686-BACK (2225) > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 What serves humanity is sustaining; what fails to won't last long.... All Respect that these things are possible. Sears PDX On May 19, 2006, at 8:34 PM, DeSiena wrote: > I recently listened to an orthopedic surgeon present > on shoulder injuries. He claimed to be " liberal " on > the subject of chiropractic. > > When I spoke to him after the talk, he asked me if I > could cure asthma. I recognized it as his " acid test " > to discover if I was one of those quack chiropractors. > > > Early in my carrer I was fortunate enough to help a 2 > year old girl who had asthma. The mother said the > little girl had been on corticosteroids for 6 months > without any positive outcome. She asked me to adjust > her. Immediately after adjusting T2 the little girls > asthma stopped. > > Now I see patients with asthma. I treat them for the > energy interferences they have to common items. Every > person I have treated this way that had asthma no > longer is experiencing asthmatic symptoms. > > I would rather be a quack than prescribe > pharmaceuticlas with toxic " side effects " and only > treat the symptoms. > > Who are the real quacks? > > > Dr. DeSiena, D.C. > Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. > 771 Washington Street > Eugene, OR 97401 > (541) 686-BACK (2225) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 This is an area that continues to shed darkness on the profession of chiropractic: THE CURE. I find it interesting that he didn't use another word such as 'treat' asthma patients or 'see any asthma patients. His specific useage of CURE was poignant. I think it's important for us to not to fall into that trap. We have success stories all over the place, but while claiming we cured something we must be aware of our surroundings so to speak. We cure spinal subluxations which many times can be the source of asthmatic symptoms. You might not agree with me here and many may not, but I would probably be more comfortable in saying that you treated and cured the cause of the two year old's asthmatic symptoms which was-in this case- a spinal subluxation. This is opposed to curing the asthma itself. Somewhat different, somewhat hair splitting I know, but more precise. It keeps you within your scope and does not proffer claims that are " charlatan " in nature. As you said, it was his litmus test for chiros. I can see it now. " If you want a good chiropractor-one who is evidence based- call and ask if they cure Asthma " Dr. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1627 NE Alberta St. #6 Portland, OR 97211 Ph: 503-788-6800 c: 503-889-6204 Re: Quacks > > He turned his back and walked away after I mentioned > the 2 year old girl. > > --- " schneider@... " <schneider@...> wrote: > >> So , >> What did you reply to the 'real doctors' question. >> Did you give him a shot or just pass? >> >> >> Schneider >> PDX >> >> >> ---------- Original Message >> ---------------------------------- >> From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> >> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:34:53 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >I recently listened to an orthopedic surgeon >> present >> >on shoulder injuries. He claimed to be " liberal " >> on >> >the subject of chiropractic. >> > >> >When I spoke to him after the talk, he asked me if >> I >> >could cure asthma. I recognized it as his " acid >> test " >> >to discover if I was one of those quack >> chiropractors. >> > >> > >> >Early in my carrer I was fortunate enough to help a >> 2 >> >year old girl who had asthma. The mother said the >> >little girl had been on corticosteroids for 6 >> months >> >without any positive outcome. She asked me to >> adjust >> >her. Immediately after adjusting T2 the little >> girls >> >asthma stopped. >> > >> >Now I see patients with asthma. I treat them for >> the >> >energy interferences they have to common items. >> Every >> >person I have treated this way that had asthma no >> >longer is experiencing asthmatic symptoms. >> > >> >I would rather be a quack than prescribe >> >pharmaceuticlas with toxic " side effects " and only >> >treat the symptoms. >> > >> >Who are the real quacks? >> > >> > >> >Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >> >Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >> >771 Washington Street >> >Eugene, OR 97401 >> >(541) 686-BACK (2225) >> > >> > > Dr. DeSiena, D.C. > Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. > 771 Washington Street > Eugene, OR 97401 > (541) 686-BACK (2225) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Exactly my sentiments. Well stated Joe. In the end we don't " cure " anything, it is the body that does that job, we facilitate the process. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak Street Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 Re: Quacks This is an area that continues to shed darkness on the profession of chiropractic: THE CURE. I find it interesting that he didn't use another word such as 'treat' asthma patients or 'see any asthma patients. His specific useage of CURE was poignant. I think it's important for us to not to fall into that trap. We have success stories all over the place, but while claiming we cured something we must be aware of our surroundings so to speak. We cure spinal subluxations which many times can be the source of asthmatic symptoms. You might not agree with me here and many may not, but I would probably be more comfortable in saying that you treated and cured the cause of the two year old's asthmatic symptoms which was-in this case- a spinal subluxation. This is opposed to curing the asthma itself. Somewhat different, somewhat hair splitting I know, but more precise. It keeps you within your scope and does not proffer claims that are " charlatan " in nature. As you said, it was his litmus test for chiros. I can see it now. " If you want a good chiropractor-one who is evidence based- call and ask if they cure Asthma " Dr. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1627 NE Alberta St. #6 Portland, OR 97211 Ph: 503-788-6800 c: 503-889-6204 Re: Quacks > > He turned his back and walked away after I mentioned > the 2 year old girl. > > --- " schneider@... " <schneider@...> wrote: > >> So , >> What did you reply to the 'real doctors' question. >> Did you give him a shot or just pass? >> >> >> Schneider >> PDX >> >> >> ---------- Original Message >> ---------------------------------- >> From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> >> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:34:53 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >I recently listened to an orthopedic surgeon >> present >> >on shoulder injuries. He claimed to be " liberal " >> on >> >the subject of chiropractic. >> > >> >When I spoke to him after the talk, he asked me if >> I >> >could cure asthma. I recognized it as his " acid >> test " >> >to discover if I was one of those quack >> chiropractors. >> > >> > >> >Early in my carrer I was fortunate enough to help a >> 2 >> >year old girl who had asthma. The mother said the >> >little girl had been on corticosteroids for 6 >> months >> >without any positive outcome. She asked me to >> adjust >> >her. Immediately after adjusting T2 the little >> girls >> >asthma stopped. >> > >> >Now I see patients with asthma. I treat them for >> the >> >energy interferences they have to common items. >> Every >> >person I have treated this way that had asthma no >> >longer is experiencing asthmatic symptoms. >> > >> >I would rather be a quack than prescribe >> >pharmaceuticlas with toxic " side effects " and only >> >treat the symptoms. >> > >> >Who are the real quacks? >> > >> > >> >Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >> >Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >> >771 Washington Street >> >Eugene, OR 97401 >> >(541) 686-BACK (2225) >> > >> > > Dr. DeSiena, D.C. > Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. > 771 Washington Street > Eugene, OR 97401 > (541) 686-BACK (2225) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 And I might add that those of us who believe in God would go further and say that the God who made the body heals the body. We docs are all really facillatators of this wondrous healing process. Schneider PDX ---- Re: Quacks > > >> >> He turned his back and walked away after I mentioned >> the 2 year old girl. >> >> --- " schneider@... " <schneider@...> wrote: >> >>> So , >>> What did you reply to the 'real doctors' question. >>> Did you give him a shot or just pass? >>> >>> >>> Schneider >>> PDX >>> >>> >>> ---------- Original Message >>> ---------------------------------- >>> From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> >>> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:34:53 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> >I recently listened to an orthopedic surgeon >>> present >>> >on shoulder injuries. He claimed to be " liberal " >>> on >>> >the subject of chiropractic. >>> > >>> >When I spoke to him after the talk, he asked me if >>> I >>> >could cure asthma. I recognized it as his " acid >>> test " >>> >to discover if I was one of those quack >>> chiropractors. >>> > >>> > >>> >Early in my carrer I was fortunate enough to help a >>> 2 >>> >year old girl who had asthma. The mother said the >>> >little girl had been on corticosteroids for 6 >>> months >>> >without any positive outcome. She asked me to >>> adjust >>> >her. Immediately after adjusting T2 the little >>> girls >>> >asthma stopped. >>> > >>> >Now I see patients with asthma. I treat them for >>> the >>> >energy interferences they have to common items. >>> Every >>> >person I have treated this way that had asthma no >>> >longer is experiencing asthmatic symptoms. >>> > >>> >I would rather be a quack than prescribe >>> >pharmaceuticlas with toxic " side effects " and only >>> >treat the symptoms. >>> > >>> >Who are the real quacks? >>> > >>> > >>> >Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >>> >Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >>> >771 Washington Street >>> >Eugene, OR 97401 >>> >(541) 686-BACK (2225) >>> > >>> >> >> Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >> Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >> 771 Washington Street >> Eugene, OR 97401 >> (541) 686-BACK (2225) >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 It figures. So much for the passionate love of the truth that supposedly all scientist and medical folks are infused with. Schneider PDX ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT) > >He turned his back and walked away after I mentioned >the 2 year old girl. > >--- " schneider@... " <schneider@...> wrote: > >> So , >> What did you reply to the 'real doctors' question. >> Did you give him a shot or just pass? >> >> >> Schneider >> PDX >> >> >> ---------- Original Message >> ---------------------------------- >> From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> >> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:34:53 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >I recently listened to an orthopedic surgeon >> present >> >on shoulder injuries. He claimed to be " liberal " >> on >> >the subject of chiropractic. >> > >> >When I spoke to him after the talk, he asked me if >> I >> >could cure asthma. I recognized it as his " acid >> test " >> >to discover if I was one of those quack >> chiropractors. >> > >> > >> >Early in my carrer I was fortunate enough to help a >> 2 >> >year old girl who had asthma. The mother said the >> >little girl had been on corticosteroids for 6 >> months >> >without any positive outcome. She asked me to >> adjust >> >her. Immediately after adjusting T2 the little >> girls >> >asthma stopped. >> > >> >Now I see patients with asthma. I treat them for >> the >> >energy interferences they have to common items. >> Every >> >person I have treated this way that had asthma no >> >longer is experiencing asthmatic symptoms. >> > >> >I would rather be a quack than prescribe >> >pharmaceuticlas with toxic " side effects " and only >> >treat the symptoms. >> > >> >Who are the real quacks? >> > >> > >> >Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >> >Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >> >771 Washington Street >> >Eugene, OR 97401 >> >(541) 686-BACK (2225) >> > >> > >Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >771 Washington Street >Eugene, OR 97401 >(541) 686-BACK (2225) > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Hi Sinead, Have you let the OC Foundation know about your experience? I have found them to be truly helpful in the past and I think they would appreciate knowing about your experiences. Joye in Southeastern PA Sinead Ni <sinead115@...> wrote: We also had a bad experience with what we would consider a 'quack' we found on the OCFoundation website. She was totally unprofessional in her dealings with us, charged us $700 (cash only please) for diagnostic tests (most of which our son had taken elsewhere). Our gut feeling was that she was just in it for the money and when we did some investigating found that she was misrepresenting her qualifications. This was at a time that we were desperate to find help for our son. We were so mad at the way she treated us and our son that we thought about reporting her, but in the end decided to chalk it up to experience and move on. The funny thing is, bad and all as our son's OCD was at the time, he could tell she was a quack and we have actually had some belly laughs thinking about our visit there. In OCFoundations defense, we also found the reputable treatment center that did eventually help our son on their website. It is really worth doing a lot of background checks before you begin treatment with any doctor. Sinead Re: Re: Another new Member In a message dated 3/23/2007 12:50:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BJClosnercomcast (DOT) net writes: I've found nothing but quacks through OCFoundation listings. It says on the website that they do not screen the docs, and they must not. A few I talked to was waaaaaaaaayyyy out there and acted like they needed therapy themselves. BJ GOOD GRIEF. No kidding?? That's horrible. I wonder if you should mention something to the OCFoundation. I understand that they can't endorse or check into each doctor listed, but GEES.... that's pretty bad. We found the psychologist we ended up with through their site. She was pretty good... for the few times we went to her. She's the one who said the meds left no symptoms to work with & suggested decreasing the meds so we could start therapy. Nothing to speak of ever resurfaced though, so we haven't been back. I thought it was pretty decent of her to handle it that way. She could have kept milking us dollar after dollar if she wanted to - we wouldn't have known any better. LT ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol. com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Hi , Good suggestion - I think I will do that. At the time we were so overwhelmed by our son's OCD that we couldn't handle anything else. Now that the pressure is off to some extent, it would be a good time to take care of unfinished business. Sinead Re: Re: Another new Member In a message dated 3/23/2007 12:50:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BJClosnercomcast (DOT) net writes: I've found nothing but quacks through OCFoundation listings. It says on the website that they do not screen the docs, and they must not. A few I talked to was waaaaaaaaayyyy out there and acted like they needed therapy themselves. BJ GOOD GRIEF. No kidding?? That's horrible. I wonder if you should mention something to the OCFoundation. I understand that they can't endorse or check into each doctor listed, but GEES.... that's pretty bad. We found the psychologist we ended up with through their site. She was pretty good... for the few times we went to her. She's the one who said the meds left no symptoms to work with & suggested decreasing the meds so we could start therapy. Nothing to speak of ever resurfaced though, so we haven't been back. I thought it was pretty decent of her to handle it that way. She could have kept milking us dollar after dollar if she wanted to - we wouldn't have known any better. LT ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol. com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Sorry, I was referring to Dr. Brownstein. I don't consider him a quack. I DO consider many of the doctors I have seen over the years; the ones that missed my Hashi's, the ones that told me Armour was " unstable " (good grief, look at the synthroid lawsuits!), the ones that told me it wasn't my thyroid, that it was all in my head - those are the quacks. Look at what happens when doctors go on strike - the death rate FALLS. We must agree to disagree here, because I have been there and seen too much malpractice and now have a fine integrative physician who is a partner with me in MY health, and not a talks-down-to-you like you know nothing physician. I no longer trust the so-called peer review process and the AMA, well, words fail me. If you don't agree with them, they go after you, like they are always right, NOT. F. http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com www.naturalthyroidchoices.com http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/ www.thinkbeforeyoupink.org   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 AMEN to what you are saying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 It was one of your despised allopathic doctors who prevented my death in 2000 with emergency surgery; there is little doubt that I would have died only a few decades ago and none at all that I would have died 100 years ago. So there has been some progress besides clean water and proper sewage disposal; although I would hardly disparage those. As a matter of fact it's quite possible I would have also died from malignant melanoma that I was discovered to have in '99. It's highly unlikely it would have been discovered and treated in time 100 years ago. You keep claiming a PhD degree; now you have added " earned " . Yet you refuse to provide such information as from whom and when you received the degree; and in what field. Strange; you seem proud of it until asked to provide details. You ask MCE, " ...Do you have any substantial credentials? " Doesn't it seem reasonable for you to be asked the same? Most of what you post about medical cures for cancer and so on are totally undocumented in any credible research of which I am aware. However, there are any number of quack cures out there. And quacks/con artists supporting them. .. .. > > Posted by: " Dan Kukulka " enemaguy@... > <mailto:enemaguy@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20%22Quacks%22> > dophilemup <dophilemup> > > > Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:49 am (PST) > > uh, MSE, > > Your " ANGER " at the medical naysayers may or may NOT be justified. > > It's BECAUSE OF CLEAN WATER, and " PUBLIC SANITATION " that Americans " live " > longer than we used to. The Medical Doctors have had very little to do > with > the increase in longevity. > > I few " researchers, > " some of whom WERE Medical Doctors, have helped with > increasing longevity, but by and large, teh advances in health-care, > such as > they are, were mostly " discovered " by non-doctor researchers. > > Now, as to your " statistics, " ait's quite true that Iatrogenic Illness, > which is illness or sickness you didn't even " have " before you went to > your > doctor, and/or the medical system, IS DOCUMENTED as the " single biggest > cause of death in America, today. As Casey Stengel usedta say, " You could > look it up! " > > Now, as to deaths in cars, riding in a car is a voluntary action, and most > adults recognie that if they're careful when they drive, they are > likely to > be able to come and go as they wish, in relatve safety, for a long time. > > But, when an American citisen places his/her " faith " in a Medical Doctor, > expecting to receive sincere help, if not a " cure, " and then we find out > that about 46% of American physicians ADMIT to abusing their prescribing > powers to keep themselves high on narcotics and barbituates, and when > fully > six out of seven American physicians admit in writing that about all > THEY do > is " prescribe " or " give out " the so-called *pill-du-jour*, which is > the pill > or potion left to them last Thursday by their pharmeaceutical rep, when > you're there in a " trusting mode " on Monday -- there's something wrong > here. > > On top of that, there was an organisation, which usedta " march for Dimes. " > Did that organiation cure polio? > Nah ! > > NOw, it's true that " statistically " there is no longer any significant > amount of Polio in the world, but that's NOT due to those dedicated > mothers > marchin' on. See? Way back in about 1998, an organisation of business men > and women who " rotate, " went to the United Nations, and asked, What > can our > Rotating organiation and its Members DO which will impact the Millenium. > They were told by the folks at the United Nations, that they could " cure " > polio, and if they did, that would be a major public benefit FOR the > Millenium. > > Well, those rotating business people asked, " How much will it cost? > The United Nations World Health Organisation said, " Oh, about a Billion > Dollars. " The Rotating business en and women said, " We can do that, " and > they set out to DO IT. > > Today, those Rotators have privately collected almost $700 Million > dollars, > and BECAUSE they were " dedicated TO the cause of eradicating Polio, they > went about their work, and did exactly that. There is NO significan > Polio in > the world, anymore. > > NOW, here's the question: Did the Marchers who collected Dimes, through > their hands UP in the air, and say, " Hooray, we won. Let's all go home? " > > No, in fact, their Board of Directors, in collaboration, said, " OH > Horrors, > we could be out of a job, and wouldn't get our fat salaries anymore. We'd > better find a new " thing " to march for, but this time, dang it, it > better be > something that's NOT curable so that we're never embarrassed anymore. " > > Today, clever folks that they are, they March to elimiante birth Defects, > which is NOT really curable, because you don't even know what defect a > baby > is likely to have (except in limited cases) a baby is likely to have. But, > they have sure " guaranteed " their executive positions, haven't they ? > > Oh, and the folks at the najor Cancer crowd collect about a Billion > Dollars > a year, and spend a documented $100 Million (about 10% of their take) ON > real cancer research. The other money gets eaten up in exectuve perks, > etc. > hmmmmmm > > So far, under President Nixon's declared War on Cancer, our nation has > mis-spent about $2 Trillion dollars " looking " for a cure for cancer. > Obviously, it's much more profitable to " look for " a cure, than it is to > " find one, " because since about 1935, some Physician researchers have been > able to " end " cancer, and since about the 1970's, the now-decesaed, > eminent > Dr. Judah Folkman, of Harvard University fame, has had " various cures " for > various cancer, but still they are " looking " rather than curing. > > All I can say, is HMMMMM ! > > Oh, by the way, I am also a health researcher, so you have MY identified > bias. I don't practice medicine but I do have an earned PhD, > > Do you have any substantial credentials? > > My apologies to those of you who disagree with my thinking. I mean no one > any harm, nor slander, and would welcome constructive references to > opposing > evidence. But, before criticising me, why not consider the work of > Aubrey K. > Brewer, at the University of Wisconsin, at Platteville. Read his work and > then let me know. Study Max Gerson, and the work at the Oasis of Hope > Hospitals, and let me know your thoughts. Consider Gonsales, out of New > York, and let me hear your comments. Oh, and don't forget Max Gerson, a > German MD. He had a few things to say, too. > > Thanks and God Bless us everyone. Happy Holidays to all people, and to > those > of a particulr faith, May God Bless you Always. > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:48 PM, MSE <knockneed@... > <mailto:knockneed%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Sorry, but when and where did docs go on strike ? > > > > Because of medicine and research and docs, we live decades longer > than we > > ever have. We died much younger and of much simpler issues only a short > > time ago. So many people live long an productive lives now with the > help of > > medicine. > > > > As for misdiagnosis, medical mistakes, etc., they are bound to happen. > > Humans make mistakes. > > > > Before we make medical people the evildoers in this world consider > How many > > people die from cars each year? When was the last time we heard a > hue and > > cry to ban cars and go back to horses and buggy's? > > > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 9:51 AM, F. > <cccquilter@... > <mailto:cccquilter%40><cccquilter%40>>wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry, I was referring to Dr. Brownstein. I don't consider him a > quack. I > > > DO consider many of the doctors I have seen over the years; the > ones that > > > missed my Hashi's, the ones that told me Armour was " unstable " (good > > grief, > > > look at the synthroid lawsuits!), the ones that told me it wasn't my > > > thyroid, that it was all in my head - those are the quacks. Look > at what > > > happens when doctors go on strike - the death rate FALLS. We must > agree > > to > > > disagree here, because I have been there and seen too much malpractice > > and > > > now have a fine integrative physician who is a partner with me in MY > > health, > > > and not a talks-down-to-you like you know nothing physician. I no > longer > > > trust the so-called peer review process and the AMA, well, words > fail me. > > If > > > you don't agree with them, they go after you, like they are always > right, > > > NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 I suppose he will correct you, but although he sometimes refers to himself as " Doctor Dan " he is not AFAIK an accredited medical practitioner in any field. He asserts he has an " earned " PhD but refuses to state in what field or from whom or when he received the degree. And to put it bluntly his statements that balancing the body's pH will " cure " everything under the sun from cancer to you name it is ludicrous. Much of what he posts contains the same slams against mainstream allopathic medical practice as do the posts of the typical quack whose " practice " has come under attack by the AMA or other accredited group due to quack or con artist practices. I cannot say if any of this applies to him specifically, but he paints a self portrait that to me is suspect. OTOH I have no credentials whatsoever, so take it for what it's worth. I will say that as for over all health of the earth's population that his posits about clean water and proper sewage disposal have IMHO a strong element of merit. .. .. > I was offering my opinion, not an invitation to a duel. I won't comment on > this again, but I seem to remember that you are a doctor/physician of some > sort, yes? > > mse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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