Re: Re: I know there was a lot of talk about iodine

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Venizia,

You wrote:

>

> Do you feel most of us get the 0.15mg of iodine a day?

In the U.S., you probably get several times that amount. People in the

" goiter belt " still get that much if they just buy iodized salt.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt. then again

in Europe iodine is not added to salt. .15mg of iodine is a trace amount and

will not prevent cancer etc.

Gracia

Venizia,

You wrote:

>

> Do you feel most of us get the 0.15mg of iodine a day?

In the U.S., you probably get several times that amount. People in the

" goiter belt " still get that much if they just buy iodized salt.

Chuck

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Do you know what the per capita iodized salt consumption is in the USA

by chance?

In our household and all those of the people I know, no one is cutting

back on sodium. In our household, we buy about one iodized Morton 2.2

lb container a month and for 6 people that averages out to about 5.5

grams per day of sodium.

So for every European country, there are no table salt products that

include iodine?

Steve

Gracia wrote:

> this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt. then

again in Europe iodine is not added to salt. .15mg of iodine is a trace amount

and will not prevent cancer etc.

> Gracia

>

>

> Venizia,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > Do you feel most of us get the 0.15mg of iodine a day?

>

> In the U.S., you probably get several times that amount. People in the

> " goiter belt " still get that much if they just buy iodized salt.

>

> Chuck

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[Guest guest]

I'm guessing they meant that in the US at least, that people are told salt

is bad for us and they try to avoid it, but they know salt is in everything and

too much.

In a message dated 11/25/2008 1:26:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

res075oh@... writes:

" Most people are avoiding salt or using sea salt??? " Really??? You may

have reference to the planet Earth; but it sure as h*!! isn't the US of

A. At least as far as avoiding salt. I'll bet even in Europe the

intake of salt is above optimal. Even in Kazakhstan 94% of the

population get iodine in their salt. If you think otherwise please

provide a reference. Everything I've seen shows that in the US we tend

to get _too much_ salt; we do not " avoid " it...

I've found repeated references on the internet to the fact [?] that 70%

of the population of the world now receives iodized salt. And of the

30% who do not most of them are included in 20 countries: Afghanistan,

Angola, Bangladesh, Bolivia, China, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Guatemala,

Haiti, India, Indonesia, Niger, Pakistan, Philippines, Russia, Senegal,

Sudan, Ukraine, and Vietnam. Not a lot of European countries in that

list [but geography is not my strong subject]. I _have not_ checked

those numbers for accuracy; but they are widely repeated.

Besides, salt isn't the only source of iodine. Where do you get your

information?

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20know%20there%20was%20a%20lot%\

20of%20talk%20about%20iodine>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:52 pm (PST)

>

>

> this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt. then

> again in Europe iodine is not added to salt. .15mg of iodine is a

> trace amount and will not prevent cancer etc.

> Gracia

>

> Venizia,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > Do you feel most of us get the 0.15mg of iodine a day?

>

> In the U.S., you probably get several times that amount. People in the

> " goiter belt " still get that much if they just buy iodized salt.

>

> Chuck

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Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt....

The RDA is sufficient to prevent goiter and Iodine Deficiency cretinism.

That is very well documented. However, most people in the U.S. still

get more than the RDA from local foods, without the iodized salt input.

The goiter belt is mainly around the Great Lakes. This was the region

that iodization was implemented to serve in 1924. This voluntary

supplementation indeed eliminated goiter and cretinism, but it has also

been linked to an increase in Hashimoto's and thyroid cancer, not a

decrease.

In recent years there has been a drop in average iodine excretion in the

goiter belt, but this is mainly due to the wide use of non-iodized salt

in packaged, processed, and fast foods, which currently provide about

77% of our salt intake. In spite of that, they still seem to get the

RDA, just as I said.

Market research shows that less than 1.5% of the salt market in the U.S.

is sea salt.

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf

So, something that you and a few of your friends do, definitely does not

translate to " most people, " as you rather consistently seem to think.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

this is just sooooo wrong. and it is causing ppl great harm. I think you

will be very ashamed of this post someday.

I encourage ppl to join the iodine group.

Gracia

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt....

The RDA is sufficient to prevent goiter and Iodine Deficiency cretinism.

That is very well documented. However, most people in the U.S. still

get more than the RDA from local foods, without the iodized salt input.

The goiter belt is mainly around the Great Lakes. This was the region

that iodization was implemented to serve in 1924. This voluntary

supplementation indeed eliminated goiter and cretinism, but it has also

been linked to an increase in Hashimoto's and thyroid cancer, not a

decrease.

In recent years there has been a drop in average iodine excretion in the

goiter belt, but this is mainly due to the wide use of non-iodized salt

in packaged, processed, and fast foods, which currently provide about

77% of our salt intake. In spite of that, they still seem to get the

RDA, just as I said.

Market research shows that less than 1.5% of the salt market in the U.S.

is sea salt.

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf

So, something that you and a few of your friends do, definitely does not

translate to " most people, " as you rather consistently seem to think.

Chuck

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I find Chuck's approach quite rational and he provides some

substantiation for his present positions rather than hyperbole. I may

or may not agree with him or agree that the RDA is anywhere near optimum

in most cases, but that's a different point. I appreciate his effort to

express himself with grammatical conscioniousessness.

Look up the definition of " ashamed " . I doubt Chuck or anyone who

approaches this issue rationally will feel socially stigmatized to the

point of shame. On the other hand, not addressing the pertinent points

and running from the discussion by attack the messenger is not to your

credit. Address Chuck's message paragraph by paragraph and looking at

what the REAL facts are, not what you WISH them to be.

Steve

Gracia wrote:

> this is just sooooo wrong. and it is causing ppl great harm. I think you

will be very ashamed of this post someday.

> I encourage ppl to join the iodine group.

> Gracia

>

> Gracia,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt....

>

> The RDA is sufficient to prevent goiter and Iodine Deficiency cretinism.

> That is very well documented. However, most people in the U.S. still

> get more than the RDA from local foods, without the iodized salt input.

>

> The goiter belt is mainly around the Great Lakes. This was the region

> that iodization was implemented to serve in 1924. This voluntary

> supplementation indeed eliminated goiter and cretinism, but it has also

> been linked to an increase in Hashimoto's and thyroid cancer, not a

> decrease.

>

> In recent years there has been a drop in average iodine excretion in the

> goiter belt, but this is mainly due to the wide use of non-iodized salt

> in packaged, processed, and fast foods, which currently provide about

> 77% of our salt intake. In spite of that, they still seem to get the

> RDA, just as I said.

>

> Market research shows that less than 1.5% of the salt market in the U.S.

> is sea salt.

>

> http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf

>

> So, something that you and a few of your friends do, definitely does not

> translate to " most people, " as you rather consistently seem to think.

>

> Chuck

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[Guest guest]

I live in the Great Lakes, but have Hashimoto's. I'm not understanding what

the connection is with goiters and the Great Lakes. I have a goiter too. I

don't use salt much ever and eat mostly natural foods, so don't normally get

any

unless I eat eggs, I add a couple shakes. Could it hurt me having

Hashimoto's to try " some " iodine? If so, how many shakes a day would be

allowable to

reach the RDA? I'm not wanting to go crazy with the iodine, but curious to give

it a try to see if I get any relief from my fibromyalgia pain which I wonder

might actually be a symptom of my Hashi's.

Thanks,

In a message dated 11/25/2008 3:53:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt....

The RDA is sufficient to prevent goiter and Iodine Deficiency cretinism.

That is very well documented. However, most people in the U.S. still

get more than the RDA from local foods, without the iodized salt input.

The goiter belt is mainly around the Great Lakes. This was the region

that iodization was implemented to serve in 1924. This voluntary

supplementation indeed eliminated goiter and cretinism, but it has also

been linked to an increase in Hashimoto's and thyroid cancer, not a

decrease.

In recent years there has been a drop in average iodine excretion in the

goiter belt, but this is mainly due to the wide use of non-iodized salt

in packaged, processed, and fast foods, which currently provide about

77% of our salt intake. In spite of that, they still seem to get the

RDA, just as I said.

Market research shows that less than 1.5% of the salt market in the U.S.

is sea salt.

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf

So, something that you and a few of your friends do, definitely does not

translate to " most people, " as you rather consistently seem to think.

Chuck

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Thank you for the information. I'm going to see what I can learn about

Hashi's and Iodine. I'm just curious, but do you sell iodine?

In a message dated 11/26/2008 8:22:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

circe@... writes:

you would need to use iodine the right way b/c it is powerful medicine.

you do not want to take " some " but rather you need to take enough. look at

the research on http://www.optimox.com it boggles the mind that we used to

know how to use iodine and then the knowledge disappeared.

look at http://www.realsalt.com for what salt actually does.

salt of the earth, worth his salt etc used to be part of our vocabulary too.

Gracia

I live in the Great Lakes, but have Hashimoto's. I'm not understanding what

the connection is with goiters and the Great Lakes. I have a goiter too. I

don't use salt much ever and eat mostly natural foods, so don't normally get

any

unless I eat eggs, I add a couple shakes. Could it hurt me having

Hashimoto's to try " some " iodine? If so, how many shakes a day would be

allowable to

reach the RDA? I'm not wanting to go crazy with the iodine, but curious to

give

it a try to see if I get any relief from my fibromyalgia pain which I wonder

might actually be a symptom of my Hashi's.

Thanks,

In a message dated 11/25/2008 3:53:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt....

The RDA is sufficient to prevent goiter and Iodine Deficiency cretinism.

That is very well documented. However, most people in the U.S. still

get more than the RDA from local foods, without the iodized salt input.

The goiter belt is mainly around the Great Lakes. This was the region

that iodization was implemented to serve in 1924. This voluntary

supplementation indeed eliminated goiter and cretinism, but it has also

been linked to an increase in Hashimoto's and thyroid cancer, not a

decrease.

In recent years there has been a drop in average iodine excretion in the

goiter belt, but this is mainly due to the wide use of non-iodized salt

in packaged, processed, and fast foods, which currently provide about

77% of our salt intake. In spite of that, they still seem to get the

RDA, just as I said.

Market research shows that less than 1.5% of the salt market in the U.S.

is sea salt.

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf

So, something that you and a few of your friends do, definitely does not

translate to " most people, " as you rather consistently seem to think.

Chuck

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I'm 5 minutes from Wisconsin, near Lake Michigan too *waving* I'm just south

of Salem, Wisconsin.

In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:14:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

nelsonck@... writes:

I did not realize that the Great Lakes was part of the goiter belt. I

am from Wisconsin (Lake Michigan) I have 10 relatives with a thyroid

condition. Learn something knew all the time. Interesting.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> Gracia,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt....

>

> The RDA is sufficient to prevent goiter and Iodine Deficiency

cretinism.

> That is very well documented. However, most people in the U.S. still

> get more than the RDA from local foods, without the iodized salt input.

>

> The goiter belt is mainly around the Great Lakes. This was the region

> that iodization was implemented to serve in 1924. This voluntary

> supplementation indeed eliminated goiter and cretinism, but it has also

> been linked to an increase in Hashimoto's and thyroid cancer, not a

> decrease.

>

> In recent years there has been a drop in average iodine excretion in

the

> goiter belt, but this is mainly due to the wide use of non-iodized salt

> in packaged, processed, and fast foods, which currently provide about

> 77% of our salt intake. In spite of that, they still seem to get the

> RDA, just as I said.

>

> Market research shows that less than 1.5% of the salt market in the

U.S.

> is sea salt.

>

> http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf

>

> So, something that you and a few of your friends do, definitely does

not

> translate to " most people, " as you rather consistently seem to think.

>

> Chuck

>

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you would need to use iodine the right way b/c it is powerful medicine. you

do not want to take " some " but rather you need to take enough. look at the

research on http://www.optimox.com it boggles the mind that we used to know

how to use iodine and then the knowledge disappeared.

look at http://www.realsalt.com for what salt actually does.

salt of the earth, worth his salt etc used to be part of our vocabulary too.

Gracia

I live in the Great Lakes, but have Hashimoto's. I'm not understanding what

the connection is with goiters and the Great Lakes. I have a goiter too. I

don't use salt much ever and eat mostly natural foods, so don't normally get

any

unless I eat eggs, I add a couple shakes. Could it hurt me having

Hashimoto's to try " some " iodine? If so, how many shakes a day would be

allowable to

reach the RDA? I'm not wanting to go crazy with the iodine, but curious to

give

it a try to see if I get any relief from my fibromyalgia pain which I wonder

might actually be a symptom of my Hashi's.

Thanks,

In a message dated 11/25/2008 3:53:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt....

The RDA is sufficient to prevent goiter and Iodine Deficiency cretinism.

That is very well documented. However, most people in the U.S. still

get more than the RDA from local foods, without the iodized salt input.

The goiter belt is mainly around the Great Lakes. This was the region

that iodization was implemented to serve in 1924. This voluntary

supplementation indeed eliminated goiter and cretinism, but it has also

been linked to an increase in Hashimoto's and thyroid cancer, not a

decrease.

In recent years there has been a drop in average iodine excretion in the

goiter belt, but this is mainly due to the wide use of non-iodized salt

in packaged, processed, and fast foods, which currently provide about

77% of our salt intake. In spite of that, they still seem to get the

RDA, just as I said.

Market research shows that less than 1.5% of the salt market in the U.S.

is sea salt.

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf

So, something that you and a few of your friends do, definitely does not

translate to " most people, " as you rather consistently seem to think.

Chuck

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,

You won't get much iodine from eggs, unless you eat several. Each

contains about 15% of the RDA. Milk and especially yogurt will get you

closer. A milk shake is probably around 1/2 of the RDA. However, since

you already have a goiter, you might want to take kelp to insure you get

above the RDA. OTOH, that does carry the risk of aggravating the

Hashimoto's.

Chuck

>

>

> I live in the Great Lakes, but have Hashimoto's. I'm not understanding what

> the connection is with goiters and the Great Lakes. I have a goiter too. I

> don't use salt much ever and eat mostly natural foods, so don't normally

> get any

> unless I eat eggs, I add a couple shakes. Could it hurt me having

> Hashimoto's to try " some " iodine? If so, how many shakes a day would be

> allowable to

> reach the RDA? I'm not wanting to go crazy with the iodine, but curious

> to give

> it a try to see if I get any relief from my fibromyalgia pain which I

> wonder

> might actually be a symptom of my Hashi's.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/25/2008 3:53:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> writes:

>

> Gracia,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > this is sooooo wrong. most ppl are avoiding salt or use seasalt....

>

> The RDA is sufficient to prevent goiter and Iodine Deficiency cretinism.

> That is very well documented. However, most people in the U.S. still

> get more than the RDA from local foods, without the iodized salt input.

>

> The goiter belt is mainly around the Great Lakes. This was the region

> that iodization was implemented to serve in 1924. This voluntary

> supplementation indeed eliminated goiter and cretinism, but it has also

> been linked to an increase in Hashimoto's and thyroid cancer, not a

> decrease.

>

> In recent years there has been a drop in average iodine excretion in the

> goiter belt, but this is mainly due to the wide use of non-iodized salt

> in packaged, processed, and fast foods, which currently provide about

> 77% of our salt intake. In spite of that, they still seem to get the

> RDA, just as I said.

>

> Market research shows that less than 1.5% of the salt market in the U.S.

> is sea salt.

>

> http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf

> <http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pdf/2008/10/16/press_release_70052.pdf>

>

> So, something that you and a few of your friends do, definitely does not

> translate to " most people, " as you rather consistently seem to think.

>

> Chuck

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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,

You wrote to Gracia:

> Thank you for the information. I'm going to see what I can learn about

> Hashi's and Iodine. I'm just curious, but do you sell iodine?

>

She OUGHT to! LOL

Just take everything at Optimox with a grain of salt.

They ARE trying to sell you iodine. You won't find any information

comparable to their claims in the peer reviewed literature.

Chuck

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no, LOL I do not sell iodine. I buy Iodoral from

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org

there are not many sources for accurate info on iodine.

http://www.drbrownstein.com has a good iodine book. there is an iodine group

on . I think I know a lot about it

Gracia

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???? where should we get iodine from then? (s)Merck? Optimox has

formulated Lugols in a pill--why is that bad? all the info/research there is

spot on.

gracia

And what does Optimox sell? Not iodine, is it? Come on, Gracia; how

dependable is any " research " [sales pitch] on a site selling a

product...Especially those selling a product with no benefits proven by

credible medical research for the quantity and use they're promoting.

To expect to find objective information on the Optimox site about iodine

[which they want to sell you] is like expecting to find information in

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Hi Gracia,

Can you tell me what problems you had prior to taking iodine and what have

been relieved if any?

I'm in a lot of pain, have weight gain that I wake up every morning trying

to lose, Also, have the dry skin once winter hits that's really bad. Other

thyroid things are also a problem, but those are the worst.

My thyroid is normal after the dose I'm taking. I already tried taking

Cytomel for about 6 months and didn't notice anything. I did stop taking this

because it was costing me 40 a month, but probably will go back on it once our

insurance is changed.

I'm really worried about trying too much iodine though, because I am mainly

reading that it's not what the problem is for hypothyroid when it's Hashi's.

In a message dated 11/27/2008 8:12:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

circe@... writes:

no, LOL I do not sell iodine. I buy Iodoral from

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org

there are not many sources for accurate info on iodine.

http://www.drbrownstein.com has a good iodine book. there is an iodine

group on . I think I know a lot about it

Gracia

Thank you for the information. I'm going to see what I can learn about

Hashi's and Iodine. I'm just curious, but do you sell iodine?

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iodine docs are not promoting Iodoral---they are promoting iodine/iodide.

there is no marketing involved. they are passionate about changing the health

care system. They take iodine and know what it does.

Gracia

Gracia

The purpose of advertising is to sell a product. Whether it is Optimox,

Merck or GM I think you're not going to find a full and objective

presentation of all facts in the advertisement. The contraindications

for many medicines are printed on an insert that probably few people

read. My latest medication has repeated warnings of side effects up to

and including death from it's use; but how many actually read them? If

they are included in the advertisement it is usually done in such a

manner that it will not be the easiest thing in the ad to find; quite

the opposite.

I don't say it's bad that Optimox has formulated Lugols in a pill. I'm

just saying you cannot expect objectivity from anyone trying to sell you

something. That alone makes the iodine docs suspect in their promotion

of a product from a company in which one or more of them has a huge

financially stake. To me at least.

Info/research that is " spot on " should be published so we can all

benefit from it. For it to be published in a credible venue it has to

meet professional standards. I'm not aware of any in which the iodine

docs have met these standards. And if it's accurate that's truly a shame.

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I am trying to sell good health which we are not getting now and charge

nothing for it! if you do not want to buy Iodoral then buy Lugols!

Gracia

,

You wrote to Gracia:

> Thank you for the information. I'm going to see what I can learn about

> Hashi's and Iodine. I'm just curious, but do you sell iodine?

>

She OUGHT to! LOL

Just take everything at Optimox with a grain of salt.

They ARE trying to sell you iodine. You won't find any information

comparable to their claims in the peer reviewed literature.

Chuck

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you are quite wrong in your last assertions. science and scientific

fact are very important to me. But I have come to realize that a lot of facts

are actually myths that would have killed me by now if I had believed them.

actually logic is my forte. my honors thesis in college was on logical

positvism--Wittgenstein's Tractatus.

I was very hypothyroid my whole life and then doc cut out half of my thyroid

gland b/c of goiter--left untreated for 30 years b/c of " science " I guess.

Gracia

Steve, I don't know how long you've been around but in case it's just a

short time [i haven't checked] you may have missed that Chuck is a

scientist. His credentials are impressive indeed. You may depend upon

whatever he posits as being in line with mainstream science and well

supported.

Gracia is IMHO good hearted and means well but she operates from a world

view drastically removed from that of Chuck. Yet they seem to get along

well and remain civil and engage in more than a bit of jest from time to

time. Science and scientific facts mean nothing to Gracia and she does

not operate within the guidelines of the scientific method. Nor is

logic her forte. But we're glad to have her here.

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Hi ,

While I appreciate Chuck's particular approach to the problem, and such

an approach in some ways is easier to reason with as opposed to random

irrational in inconsistent assertion coming from other sources, it tends

to be, for lack of a better description, left brained with little

regards for right brained thinking. In other words, it's an approach

from one direction only with the tendency to generously discount other

approaches.

Using TSH to dose any form of thyroid medication with wanton disregard

to the patients subjective experiences, physical symptoms, and

measurable information like body temperature, is the current

" scientific " approach. Science is not necessarily rational either with

competing interests framing issues to their economic, power, political,

and corporate advantage. The food pyramid, ostensibly science based, is

ripe with corporate influence each trying to keep their particular cash

cow as part of the outcome, an outcome which is a moving target that

cannot be trusted today.

Regarding the other approach, her approach is more of religion than

science meaning she not only ignores valid arguments, but is often

completely blind to them. She mentally " saves " herself because she can

always remain " faith " based not having to take personal responsibility.

For example, if she advised hi dose iodine to someone who dies from

it, she will truly believe that the reason they died was for some other

reason since to her, iodine is incontestably the elixir of life, the

fountain of youth, the holy grail, or at least, close to all of the above.

Steve

wrote:

> Steve, I don't know how long you've been around but in case it's just a

> short time [i haven't checked] you may have missed that Chuck is a

> scientist. His credentials are impressive indeed. You may depend upon

> whatever he posits as being in line with mainstream science and well

> supported.

>

> Gracia is IMHO good hearted and means well but she operates from a world

> view drastically removed from that of Chuck. Yet they seem to get along

> well and remain civil and engage in more than a bit of jest from time to

> time. Science and scientific facts mean nothing to Gracia and she does

> not operate within the guidelines of the scientific method. Nor is

> logic her forte. But we're glad to have her here.

>

>

> .

> .

>

>> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

>>

<mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20know%20there%20was%20a\

%20lot%20of%20talk%20about%20iodine>

>> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>>

>>

>> Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:31 pm (PST)

>>

>> I find Chuck's approach quite rational and he provides some

>> substantiation for his present positions rather than hyperbole. I may

>> or may not agree with him or agree that the RDA is anywhere near optimum

>> in most cases, but that's a different point. I appreciate his effort to

>> express himself with grammatical conscioniousessness

>> .

>>

>> Look up the definition of " ashamed " . I doubt Chuck or anyone who

>> approaches this issue rationally will feel socially stigmatized to the

>> point of shame. On the other hand, not addressing the pertinent points

>> and running from the discussion by attack the messenger is not to your

>> credit. Address Chuck's message paragraph by paragraph and looking at

>> what the REAL facts are, not what you WISH them to be.

>>

>> Steve

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[Guest guest]

Steve,

You wrote:

>

> ... Using TSH to dose any form of thyroid medication with wanton disregard

> to the patients subjective experiences, physical symptoms, and

> measurable information like body temperature, is the current

> " scientific " approach....

That has certainly not been my experience, nor would it be one I would

recommend.

Chuck

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no I don't.

I work at a group home, and they pay a dietician to make sure residents get

lowfat, lowcal, low sodium diet. they don't get any healthy fats to speak of.

I believe AHA wants ppl to eliminate as much salt as possible. then you have

others who use lots of real salt.

Gracia

Do you know what the per capita iodized salt consumption is in the USA

by chance?

In our household and all those of the people I know, no one is cutting

back on sodium. In our household, we buy about one iodized Morton 2.2

lb container a month and for 6 people that averages out to about 5.5

grams per day of sodium.

So for every European country, there are no table salt products that

include iodine?

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no I don't.

I work at a group home, and they pay a dietician to make sure residents get

lowfat, lowcal, low sodium diet. they don't get any healthy fats to speak of.

I believe AHA wants ppl to eliminate as much salt as possible. then you have

others who use lots of real salt.

Gracia

Do you know what the per capita iodized salt consumption is in the USA

by chance?

In our household and all those of the people I know, no one is cutting

back on sodium. In our household, we buy about one iodized Morton 2.2

lb container a month and for 6 people that averages out to about 5.5

grams per day of sodium.

So for every European country, there are no table salt products that

include iodine?

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