Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Interesting Read http://www.healthresearch.com/zappers.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Anyone here have a considered or expert opinion on the efficacy, or likely efficacy, of the Zapper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I have a zapper and would like to know if people think it could help thyroid/adrenals. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Nope, not from Hudla . But thanks for the diatribe. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 AthleticItaliano@... wrote: > > I have a zapper and would like to know if people think it could help > thyroid/adrenals. It will have a powerful placebo effect. I assume you mean Hulda 's version of electrical treatments, which have been fraudulently sold to people in one form or another since electrostatic devices were first invented. Even Wesley traveled around zapping people in the hopes of curing every disease known to man. At least he was sincere in his " faith " in electricity, and he managed to stay out of jail. claims to hold a bachelor and master's degrees from the University of Saskatchewan and a Ph.D. degree in physiology from the University of Minnesota in 1958. However, the Register of Ph.D. Degrees conferred by the University of Minnesota of Minnesota July 1956-June 1966, states that (a) received her degree with a major in zoology and a minor in botany, ( her thesis was titled, " A study of the ion balance of crayfish muscle; evidence for two compartments of cellular potassium, " and her University of Saskatchewan degrees were bachelor of arts in 1949 and master of arts in 1950. She also lists a naturopathic (N.D.) degree from the Clayton College of Natural Health. Clayton is a nonaccredited correspondence school founded in 1980 and located in Birmingham Alabama. So, no, you have wasted your money purchasing this device, and you are wasting your time playing with it, when you should be getting real treatment. There is already a long discussion of this particular fraud in our archives. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I doubt it but try it and report back. gracia I have a zapper and would like to know if people think it could help thyroid/adrenals. Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Give Back for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I think it is a scam. Nothing will help your thyroid except thyroid replacement hormone; acupuncture and herbs specifically target to the thyroid. Those are your options. Why would you take a huge risk with your health with something that is unproven and will only harm you by delaying proper treatment. Nancie -- Re: Zapper. AthleticItaliano@... wrote: > > I have a zapper and would like to know if people think it could help > thyroid/adrenals. It will have a powerful placebo effect. I assume you mean Hulda 's version of electrical treatments, which have been fraudulently sold to people in one form or another since electrostatic devices were first invented. Even Wesley traveled around zapping people in the hopes of curing every disease known to man. At least he was sincere in his " faith " in electricity, and he managed to stay out of jail. claims to hold a bachelor and master's degrees from the University of Saskatchewan and a Ph.D. degree in physiology from the University of Minnesota in 1958. However, the Register of Ph.D. Degrees conferred by the University of Minnesota of Minnesota July 1956-June 1966, states that (a) received her degree with a major in zoology and a minor in botany, ( her thesis was titled, " A study of the ion balance of crayfish muscle; evidence for two compartments of cellular potassium, " and her University of Saskatchewan degrees were bachelor of arts in 1949 and master of arts in 1950. She also lists a naturopathic (N.D.) degree from the Clayton College of Natural Health. Clayton is a nonaccredited correspondence school founded in 1980 and located in Birmingham Alabama. So, no, you have wasted your money purchasing this device, and you are wasting your time playing with it, when you should be getting real treatment. There is already a long discussion of this particular fraud in our archives. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 As well I did not send my reply. For you would have eye ache. > > Nope, not from Hudla . But thanks for the diatribe. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 AthleticItaliano@..., You wrote: > > Nope, not from Hudla .... Well, she is the one that started calling the 32 kHz low-voltage, square-wave devices a " Zapper " back the early 1990s, maybe earlier in her clinic in Tijuana, which the Mexican government shut down in 2001. She claims she discovered the effects in the mid-1980s. She is also the one that went to jail over its use, so she does have some claim to the name, whatever that is worth. The model that she pushes is now called the Super Zapper Deluxe BioWave Generator, but I am sure she is not the OEM. Some of the spin-off manufacturers do include alternative wave forms and frequencies, as does her latest model. > ...But thanks for the diatribe. > Sure. Just remember, you asked. I have previously refrained from commenting on her theories, because I figured anyone foolish enough to spend hundreds of dollars on an electrical circuit an undergraduate student could breadboard, is not going to be interested in anything a scientist would have to say about it. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 As previously stated, nope, not from her. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 And I didn't pay anything for it. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I'm not an expert in anything but I worked 37 years in the electrical industry. Prior to that I had a hobby in electronics and built radios and other circuits. And I can tell you for a fact that the zapper is pure crap. There's no physical way that a modified 30 kHz square wave generator [ or whatever the circuit is] is going to have the described results. To promote something as useless as the zapper you have to be massively ignorant of both human physiology and biology, as well as simple physics. Or you have to be a con artist out to rip off sick and frequently poor and foolish people. . .. .. > Anyone here have a considered or expert opinion on the efficacy, or > likely efficacy, of the Zapper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 No, it will not. It's a COMPLETE, intentional con. > I have a zapper and would like to know if people think it could help > thyroid/adrenals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 The basic idea for all versions of the zapper is the same: A really cheaply made gadget designed to rip off sick and often poor and foolish people. That's a simple fact; not a diatribe. It has no medical value beyond the placebo effect. > Nope, not from Hudla . But thanks for the diatribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Or that is why you had no hypo symptoms CW -- Re:Zapper. I'm not an expert in anything but I worked 37 years in the electrical industry. Prior to that I had a hobby in electronics and built radios and other circuits. And I can tell you for a fact that the zapper is pure crap. There's no physical way that a modified 30 kHz square wave generator [ or whatever the circuit is] is going to have the described results. To promote something as useless as the zapper you have to be massively ignorant of both human physiology and biology, as well as simple physics. Or you have to be a con artist out to rip off sick and frequently poor and foolish people. . .. .. > Anyone here have a considered or expert opinion on the efficacy, or > likely efficacy, of the Zapper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Any likelihood you can indicate who and/or what you are actually replying to? This software provision is infinite for all practical purposes. > > And I didn't pay anything for it. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Hi ~ Many very well respected alternative doctors, including Dr. ph Mercola, consider the Zapper and other types of the same to be quite effective: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/05/10/the-kanzius-ma chine-a-cancer-cure.aspx take care, ~ -----Original Message----- To promote something as useless as the zapper you have to be massively ignorant of both human physiology and biology, as well as simple physics. Or you have to be a con artist out to rip off sick and frequently poor and foolish people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I am a medical provider, a nurse practitioner with a masters, and I go to a Natural medicine doc who is Very well respected, Prudence Hall, MD and we both think the zapper is a scam. The fact is that either you treat the thyroid disease with hormones or acupuncture and specific herbs. Nothing else is going to work. Additionally, you might need to add the adrenals if that is a problem. Nancie -- RE: Re:Zapper. Hi ~ Many very well respected alternative doctors, including Dr. ph Mercola, consider the Zapper and other types of the same to be quite effective: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/05/10/the-kanzius-ma chine-a-cancer-cure.aspx take care, ~ -----Original Message----- To promote something as useless as the zapper you have to be massively ignorant of both human physiology and biology, as well as simple physics. Or you have to be a con artist out to rip off sick and frequently poor and foolish people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Hi Nancie ~ The Zapper may have no use in direct thyroid/adrenal care, but it may be useful in the elimation of parasites, etc. I don't use one or have an opinion about its efficacy, just wanted to share that others do. take care, ~ -----Original Message----- I am a medical provider, a nurse practitioner with a masters, and I go to a Natural medicine doc who is Very well respected, Prudence Hall, MD and we both think the zapper is a scam. The fact is that either you treat the thyroid disease with hormones or acupuncture and specific herbs. Nothing else is going to work. Additionally, you might need to add the adrenals if that is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Your post seems to be the same. To whom were you intending the message? I've started to cut the header out of my replies because I received a complaint on another list because apparently my software inserts a long URL that references the original message into the header of my reply when I leave it in. But I try to leave enough of the original message that it will be apparent to which message I am sending a reply. I don't see anything in your post that allows me to do that. > " lmneedham " > > Any likelihood you can indicate who and/or what you are actually > replying to? > > This software provision is infinite for all practical purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I stand by my post. Those who promote the zapper and such are for the most part con artists and quacks, pure and simple. Referenced alternative doctors are not respected by those who understand a bit of biology, electronics and science. > Hi ~ > > Many very well respected alternative doctors, including Dr. ph > Mercola, > consider the Zapper and other types of the same to be quite effective: > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/05/10/the-kanzius-ma > <http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/05/10/the-kanzius-ma> > chine-a-cancer- > cure.aspx > > take care, > ~ > > -----Original Message----- > > To promote something as useless as the zapper you have to be massively > ignorant of both human physiology and biology, as well as simple physics. > Or you have to be a con artist out to rip off sick and frequently poor and > foolish people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I don't see how electricity can eliminate parasites... There are some really sound and trustworthy alternative medicine techniques that can work- why try something that has no real value- especially in the treatment of a disease that can kill you if not properly treated. -- RE: Re:Zapper. Hi Nancie ~ The Zapper may have no use in direct thyroid/adrenal care, but it may be useful in the elimation of parasites, etc. I don't use one or have an opinion about its efficacy, just wanted to share that others do. take care, ~ -----Original Message----- I am a medical provider, a nurse practitioner with a masters, and I go to a Natural medicine doc who is Very well respected, Prudence Hall, MD and we both think the zapper is a scam. The fact is that either you treat the thyroid disease with hormones or acupuncture and specific herbs. Nothing else is going to work. Additionally, you might need to add the adrenals if that is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 The only use for the zapper that is effective is whatever its value is as a placebo. It WILL NOT remove any parasites from your system. It's a pure 100% scam. As one time one of its promoters [H. ???] was diagnosing and removing a specific intestinal parasite with the zapper. Probably still is; although it has been established that the parasite she was removing does not exist in North America. > Hi Nancie ~ > > The Zapper may have no use in direct thyroid/adrenal care, but it may be > useful in the elimation of parasites, etc. I don't use one or have an > opinion about its efficacy, just wanted to share that others do. > > take care, > ~ > > -----Original Message----- > > I am a medical provider, a nurse practitioner with a masters, and I go > to a > Natural medicine doc who is Very well respected, Prudence Hall, MD and we > both think the zapper is a scam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Electricity would kill parasites if sufficient current is passed through them. But you sure as h*ll aren't going to kill intestinal parasites with the amperage that the zapper could apply. You would probably need about a million times as much as you could possibly get to the infected site with the zapper. And you would probably kill the patient before you killed the parasites. At the current levels available from the zapper applied to the abdomen a parasite won't even be able to feel it; much less be killed by it. Anyone suggesting otherwise didn't flunk electricity 101; they never took it. If anyone happened to have no parasites after being treated with the zapper they had no parasites to start with. > I don't see how electricity can eliminate parasites... There are some > really > sound and trustworthy alternative medicine techniques that can work- > why try > something that has no real value- especially in the treatment of a disease > that can kill you if not properly treated. > > -- RE: Re:Zapper. > > Hi Nancie ~ > > The Zapper may have no use in direct thyroid/adrenal care, but it may be > useful in the elimation of parasites, etc. I don't use one or have an > opinion about its efficacy, just wanted to share that others do. > > take care, > ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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