Re: Cretinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Fascinating!

Senator Palin's baby had down syndrome!

Ali

On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Gracia wrote:

> explanation of cretinism now known as Downs syndrome

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretinism

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has Down¹s Syndrome.

On 9/8/08 11:43 PM, " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Fascinating!

> Senator Palin's baby had down syndrome!

> Ali

>

[Guest guest]

But not cretinism. So iodine will not be able to correct the genetic

defects that afflict her child.

>

> Posted by: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " rubyrain11@...

>

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> gypsy1jig <gypsy1jig>

>

>

> Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:44 pm (PDT)

>

> Fascinating!

> Senator Palin's baby had down syndrome!

> Ali

> On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Gracia wrote:

>

> > explanation of cretinism now known as Downs syndrome

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretinism

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretinism>

[Guest guest]

Alison Trotta-Marshall,

You wrote:

>

>

> Fascinating!

> Senator Palin's baby had down syndrome!

Palin is Governor of Alaska, not a senator.

Her child indeed has Down's syndrome, a cytogenetic anomaly (trisomy 21,

three chromosomes instead of two). It was outrageous of Gracia to

suggest that Down's syndrome is the same as cretinism. They are not at

all related. Children with congenital hypothyroidism rarely have trisomy

21. Please note that the Wikipedia article she cited nowhere mentions

Down's syndrome.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Alison Trotta-Marshall,

You wrote:

>

>

> Fascinating!

> Senator Palin's baby had down syndrome!

Palin is Governor of Alaska, not a senator.

Her child indeed has Down's syndrome, a cytogenetic anomaly (trisomy 21,

three chromosomes instead of two). It was outrageous of Gracia to

suggest that Down's syndrome is the same as cretinism. They are not at

all related. Children with congenital hypothyroidism rarely have trisomy

21. Please note that the Wikipedia article she cited nowhere mentions

Down's syndrome.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

yes of course they are all related, and all related to iodine deficiency.

Cretinism is the politically incorrect word for Down syndrome. I understand

that some have the extra chromasome and some don't.

the man who just died at my group home had congenital hypothyroidism (no

meds!) but his Dx was Down syndrome. very odd b/c he looked " normal " . just

very tiny and MR.

Gracia

Alison Trotta-Marshall,

You wrote:

>

>

> Fascinating!

> Senator Palin's baby had down syndrome!

Palin is Governor of Alaska, not a senator.

Her child indeed has Down's syndrome, a cytogenetic anomaly (trisomy 21,

three chromosomes instead of two). It was outrageous of Gracia to

suggest that Down's syndrome is the same as cretinism. They are not at

all related. Children with congenital hypothyroidism rarely have trisomy

21. Please note that the Wikipedia article she cited nowhere mentions

Down's syndrome.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

iodine prevents cretinism if mothers get enough b4 they get PG. iodine

cannot correct the genetic defect but it can significantly improve a child's

life/health.

Gracia

But not cretinism. So iodine will not be able to correct the genetic

defects that afflict her child.

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[Guest guest]

Apparently the correct spelling is Down Syndrome, although I always

thought it was Down's Syndrome. Nearly every Google reference seems to

not add the " 's " to the end. Although some references do spell it " Down's " .

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Tue Sep 9, 2008 7:12 am (PDT)

Has Down¹s Syndrome.

On 9/8/08 11:43 PM, " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@...

<mailto:rubyrain11%40sbcglobal.net>>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Fascinating!

> Senator Palin's baby had down syndrome!

> Ali

[Guest guest]

Gracia, I usually ask you for a CREDIBLE reference. In this case I'll

ask you for even a quack reference. I don't think you will even find a

quack so misinformed as to say that cretinism and Down Syndrome are the

same, or even related. Or that Down Syndrome can be treated with or is

related to iodine deficiency.

Cretinism and Down Syndrome were confused until about 1866. So it's

been well over a century since any educated and intelligent person [such

as a doctor] had any excuse for confusing the two. They are totally

different, and they have totally different causes.

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cretinism%20-%20Wikipedia%2C%20th\

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Sep 9, 2008 8:21 pm (PDT)

>

>

> yes of course they are all related, and all related to iodine

> deficiency. Cretinism is the politically incorrect word for Down

> syndrome. I understand that some have the extra chromasome and some don't.

> the man who just died at my group home had congenital hypothyroidism

> (no meds!) but his Dx was Down syndrome. very odd b/c he looked

> " normal " . just very tiny and MR.

> Gracia

>

> Alison Trotta-Marshall,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> >

> > Fascinating!

> > Senator Palin's baby had down syndrome!

>

> Palin is Governor of Alaska, not a senator.

>

> Her child indeed has Down's syndrome, a cytogenetic anomaly (trisomy 21,

> three chromosomes instead of two). It was outrageous of Gracia to

> suggest that Down's syndrome is the same as cretinism. They are not at

> all related. Children with congenital hypothyroidism rarely have trisomy

> 21. Please note that the Wikipedia article she cited nowhere mentions

> Down's syndrome.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

But only in the Down Syndrome child in the case that the child happened

to also be iodine deficient.

Gracia, I'm sure you mean well. But it's a simple fact that not every

condition in the world is an iodine problem; and it really is NOT

helpful to people when you suggest that it is.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cretinism%20-%20Wikipedia%2C%20th\

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Sep 9, 2008 9:40 pm (PDT)

>

>

> iodine prevents cretinism if mothers get enough b4 they get PG. iodine

> cannot correct the genetic defect but it can significantly improve a

> child's life/health.

> Gracia

>

> But not cretinism. So iodine will not be able to correct the genetic

> defects that afflict her child.

>

>

[Guest guest]

somewhere in my brain (read on the internet or at work) I was told/read that

cretin was the old politically incorrect term for Down syndrome. We have a DS

resident undertreated on T4 med ((( why would you think these 2 conditions

are so different? they sure seem the same to me, only DS has the chromasome

abnormality. then there is the term mongoloid......

in haste

Gracia

But only in the Down Syndrome child in the case that the child happened

to also be iodine deficient.

Gracia, I'm sure you mean well. But it's a simple fact that not every

condition in the world is an iodine problem; and it really is NOT

helpful to people when you suggest that it is.

.

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[Guest guest]

If you read literature over a century and a half old you might I guess

find the terms cretinism and the condition of Down Syndrome used to

describe the same condition. I believe " Mongoloid " was one of the terms

used to refer to what we now call Down Syndrome.

I read somewhere [Wikipedia?] that in some cases Down Syndrome continued

to be sometimes treated with iodine for many decades after it was

discovered to have no connection to cretinism or iodine deficiency.

I probably might not be able to tell the difference between cretinism

and Down Syndrome; and that's just one of the many darned good reasons

I'm not treating patients. Perhaps the same applies to most of us...

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cretinism%20-%20Wikipedia%2C%20th\

e%20free%20encyclopedia>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:59 am (PDT)

>

>

> somewhere in my brain (read on the internet or at work) I was

> told/read that cretin was the old politically incorrect term for Down

> syndrome. We have a DS resident undertreated on T4 med ((( why would

> you think these 2 conditions are so different? they sure seem the same

> to me, only DS has the chromasome abnormality. then there is the term

> mongoloid...

> ...

> in haste

> Gracia

>

> But only in the Down Syndrome child in the case that the child happened

> to also be iodine deficient.

>

> Gracia, I'm sure you mean well. But it's a simple fact that not every

> condition in the world is an iodine problem; and it really is NOT

> helpful to people when you suggest that it is.

>

>

> .

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> Apparently the correct spelling is Down Syndrome, although I always

> thought it was Down's Syndrome....

Technically, both are correct. The man's name was Down. It is his syndrome. Or,

the syndrome is named after him.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

In gracia's world- blindness, deafness, paralysis; brain cancer; dwarfism;

homosexuality; conjoined twins among other things all can be cured by

taking massive doses of iodine, [ ggg]

-- Re: Cretinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But only in the Down Syndrome child in the case that the child happened

to also be iodine deficient.

Gracia, I'm sure you mean well. But it's a simple fact that not every

condition in the world is an iodine problem; and it really is NOT

helpful to people when you suggest that it is.

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@fairpoint

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cretinism%20-%20Wikipedia%2C%20the%20free%20encycloped

a>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Tue Sep 9, 2008 9:40 pm (PDT)

>

>

> iodine prevents cretinism if mothers get enough b4 they get PG. iodine

> cannot correct the genetic defect but it can significantly improve a

> child's life/health.

> Gracia

>

> But not cretinism. So iodine will not be able to correct the genetic

> defects that afflict her child.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I thought it was massive doses of armour.

On 9/10/08 5:16 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> In gracia's world- blindness, deafness, paralysis; brain cancer; dwarfism;

> homosexuality; conjoined twins among other things all can be cured by

> taking massive doses of iodine, [ ggg]

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I'm glad someone is saying it.... it is an important puzzle piece for me.

Gail

hypothyroidism@...: res075oh@...: Wed, 10 Sep

2008 11:24:14 -0400Subject: Re: Cretinism - Wikipedia, the free

encyclopedia

But only in the Down Syndrome child in the case that the child happened to also

be iodine deficient.Gracia, I'm sure you mean well. But it's a simple fact that

not every condition in the world is an iodine problem; and it really is NOT

helpful to people when you suggest that it is...>> Posted by: " Gracia "

circe@...>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cretinism%20-%20Wikipedia%2C%20th\

e%20free%20encyclopedia>> graciabee <graciabee>>>> Tue

Sep 9, 2008 9:40 pm (PDT)>>> iodine prevents cretinism if mothers get enough b4

they get PG. iodine > cannot correct the genetic defect but it can significantly

improve a > child's life/health.> Gracia>> But not cretinism. So iodine will not

be able to correct the genetic> defects that afflict her child.>>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks forgot that. That too.

-- Re: Re: Cretinism - Wikipedia, the free

encyclopedia

I thought it was massive doses of armour.

On 9/10/08 5:16 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> In gracia's world- blindness, deafness, paralysis; brain cancer; dwarfism;

> homosexuality; conjoined twins among other things all can be cured by

> taking massive doses of iodine, [ ggg]

>

[Guest guest]

I found both; although just " Down Syndrome " most often. I posted what I

found because I interpreted [maybe inaccurately] another post as

correcting someone who wrote " Down Syndrome " by suggesting " Down's

Syndrome " was correct and " Down Syndrome " was not.

Thanks,

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> ,

>

> You wrote:

> > Apparently the correct spelling is Down Syndrome, although I always

> > thought it was Down's Syndrome....

>

> Technically, both are correct. The man's name was Down. It is his

> syndrome. Or, the syndrome is named after him.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

AFAIK Gracia only takes about 200% of what Forrest says should be all

she needs. But she takes about 66000% of the RDA of iodine each day.

If she ever sells her property the buyer should be able to turn the

septic tank into an iodine mine! [ggg]

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:29 pm (PDT)

>

> Thanks forgot that. That too.

>

> -- Re: Re: Cretinism - Wikipedia, the free

> encyclopedia

>

> I thought it was massive doses of armour.

>

> On 9/10/08 5:16 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com>> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > In gracia's world- blindness, deafness, paralysis; brain cancer;

> dwarfism;

> > homosexuality; conjoined twins among other things all can be cured by

> > taking massive doses of iodine, [ ggg]