Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

[Guest guest]

I gained more and more water weight the higher I got on Armour. Go figure! Amy

Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

REALLY!? Edema is not a response to hypoT? That shocks me because all

these years I thought it was. So, now I need to find out what else

might be causing it. My Rt3 and Ft3 ratio is 10.5 which I am told is

very bad. So with the Ft3 not getting into my cells because of the Rt3

would that be causing the swelling?

Venizia

-

[Guest guest]

It IS funny -- for almost any question on all these forums, people have had

bizarrely different experiences!! Makes me think that getting well is more a

crapshoot than anything else. BTW, what kind of diuretic do you use (or which

ones are safe). I know nothing about them and my daughter is getting married in

2 weeks. It would be fun to be less bloated, cuz wedding pictures are forever!

: ) Amy

Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

>

>

> REALLY!? Edema is not a response to hypoT? That shocks me because all

> these years I thought it was. So, now I need to find out what else

> might be causing it. My Rt3 and Ft3 ratio is 10.5 which I am told is

> very bad. So with the Ft3 not getting into my cells because of the Rt3

> would that be causing the swelling?

>

> Venizia

>

> -

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Venizia,

You wrote:

>

> REALLY!? Edema is not a response to hypoT?...

Not what I meant. HypoT symptoms rarely occur in isolation. If edema is

the only symptom, look for another cause. If you have several hypoT

symptoms, then the usual explanation, that exercise gobbles up your T3,

works.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

When I first started taking armour the Doctor at the time also prescribed

water pills for me. I was stupid at the time and did not ask her why.

Betty

Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

>I gained more and more water weight the higher I got on Armour. Go figure!

>Amy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, that leaves me speechless!! I wish my doc had been that bright! Does

anybody out there know of any alternative or non-prescription stuff that works

as a diuretic???? Amy

Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

>I gained more and more water weight the higher I got on Armour. Go figure!

>Amy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Venizia,

You wrote:

>

> ok got it. Thanks. The edema I have is the non-pitting kind which I

> think they call myxedma, right....

That is one cause of non-pitting edema, although the root mechanism is

not understood. It could also be lymphatic.

Curiously, pretibial myxedema sometimes responds to topical

glucocorticoids or immunoglobulin. That could be an adrenal connection,

although I am usually much more skeptical of that. Have you tried a

cortisol cream?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Armour/cortef/Iodoral

allopathic medicne is a disease maintenance system.

Gracia

No, I have not tried a cortisol cream. I have no idea how much to use

so as not to overdose. I will check out what sttm has to say about

that. It makes my skin crawl when you say it could be lymphatic

because I have been told my lymphatic system is unusual small and I

have no idea what can be done about that. So then I think, I may just

have to live with this? Not acceptable but maybe.

Venizia

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[Guest guest]

what ???? the doc is not bright believe me!! Edema is a symptom of

hypothyroidism. Proper thyroid treatment solves the prob, not water pills.

how much Armour are you allowed to have? Docs treating to TSH undertreat ppl.

Gracia

Well, that leaves me speechless!! I wish my doc had been that bright! Does

anybody out there know of any alternative or non-prescription stuff that works

as a diuretic???? Amy

Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

>I gained more and more water weight the higher I got on Armour. Go figure!

>Amy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At this point he has me on 60-60-75mg of Armour in a cycling pattern. My TSH is

0.03 (and yes that seems to bother him a little). My FT4 is exactly midrange

and they forgot to do a FT3 like they usually do. The T3 uptake was at the top

of the range. Is that a useful lab at all or is FT3 the only decent measure of

T3? Can anything be surmised at least by the Uptake number? I just don't want

to pay $90 for a FT3 if the other tells us anything.

The Dr just started me on 20mg of DHEA as the next step. He isn't averse to

raising Armour more -- just wanted to try this first. As docs go -- this one is

pretty good. He told me to take selenium and zinc along with the Armour and

also Iodoral : ) I take the first 2 but all the iodine controversies on these

forums has scared the crap out of me for trying that. I am 80% better and some

days are great -- I just can't seem to get over the final hump and it's

frustrating.

Thanks for helping! Amy

Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

what ???? the doc is not bright believe me!! Edema is a symptom of

hypothyroidism. Proper thyroid treatment solves the prob, not water pills.

how much Armour are you allowed to have? Docs treating to TSH undertreat ppl.

Gracia

[Guest guest]

well there is potential with this doc I guess but it is horribly frustrating

that they treat to the TSH and are sooo scared, just don't know how to use this

med. I think the minimum Armour dose is 180mg, and hey I used to be only able

to tolerate 90mg, and I have had a partial (whatever that means) thyroidectomy.

I wish I had been given iodine/iodide in childhood--I would have been spared a

lifetime of misery. I have the history of iodine saved that I can send to you

or search for it in the archives.

Gracia

At this point he has me on 60-60-75mg of Armour in a cycling pattern. My TSH

is 0.03 (and yes that seems to bother him a little). My FT4 is exactly midrange

and they forgot to do a FT3 like they usually do. The T3 uptake was at the top

of the range. Is that a useful lab at all or is FT3 the only decent measure of

T3? Can anything be surmised at least by the Uptake number? I just don't want to

pay $90 for a FT3 if the other tells us anything.

The Dr just started me on 20mg of DHEA as the next step. He isn't averse to

raising Armour more -- just wanted to try this first. As docs go -- this one is

pretty good. He told me to take selenium and zinc along with the Armour and also

Iodoral : ) I take the first 2 but all the iodine controversies on these forums

has scared the crap out of me for trying that. I am 80% better and some days are

great -- I just can't seem to get over the final hump and it's frustrating.

Thanks for helping! Amy

Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

what ???? the doc is not bright believe me!! Edema is a symptom of

hypothyroidism. Proper thyroid treatment solves the prob, not water pills. how

much Armour are you allowed to have? Docs treating to TSH undertreat ppl.

Gracia

[Guest guest]

if you do use cortisol cream- use a VERY thin layer of it on the skin. more is

not better with this drug.

personally, I would stay away from the steroid cream because it can thin your

skin.

From: venizia1948

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:27 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

No, I have not tried a cortisol cream. I have no idea how much to use

so as not to overdose. I will check out what sttm has to say about

that. It makes my skin crawl when you say it could be lymphatic

because I have been told my lymphatic system is unusual small and I

have no idea what can be done about that. So then I think, I may just

have to live with this? Not acceptable but maybe.

Venizia

> >

> > ok got it. Thanks. The edema I have is the non-pitting kind which I

> > think they call myxedma, right....

>

> That is one cause of non-pitting edema, although the root mechanism is

> not understood. It could also be lymphatic.

>

> Curiously, pretibial myxedema sometimes responds to topical

> glucocorticoids or immunoglobulin. That could be an adrenal connection,

> although I am usually much more skeptical of that. Have you tried a

> cortisol cream?

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

HYPO T is just ONE reason why you get edema or 3rd spacing- NOT the only reason

you get it.

From: Gracia

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:51 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

what ???? the doc is not bright believe me!! Edema is a symptom of

hypothyroidism. Proper thyroid treatment solves the prob, not water pills. how

much Armour are you allowed to have? Docs treating to TSH undertreat ppl.

Gracia

Well, that leaves me speechless!! I wish my doc had been that bright! Does

anybody out there know of any alternative or non-prescription stuff that works

as a diuretic???? Amy

Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

>I gained more and more water weight the higher I got on Armour. Go figure!

>Amy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, I hate how insurance won't cover natural medicine... have you tried

Taurine capsules ? it is a dietary supplement that works for edema. it comes in

1000 mg capsules. You take 3 capsules a day to start. I take 6 capsules a day. I

have very stubborn 3rd spacing....LOL

From: venizia1948

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:08 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

I would prefer using herbs like you do but I am not sure where to go

around here for that and I am sure insurance wouldn't cover it.

Venizia

>

> if you do use cortisol cream- use a VERY thin layer of it on the

skin. more is not better with this drug.

> personally, I would stay away from the steroid cream because it can

thin your skin.

>

>

> From: venizia1948

> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:27 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

>

>

> No, I have not tried a cortisol cream. I have no idea how much to use

> so as not to overdose. I will check out what sttm has to say about

> that. It makes my skin crawl when you say it could be lymphatic

> because I have been told my lymphatic system is unusual small and I

> have no idea what can be done about that. So then I think, I may just

> have to live with this? Not acceptable but maybe.

>

> Venizia

>

>

[Guest guest]

this is misinformation. I do not have thin skin on cortef, well maybe on

this list I do.

it is important to understand the physiologic doses of cortisol.

see Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD

Gracia

if you do use cortisol cream- use a VERY thin layer of it on the skin. more is

not better with this drug.

personally, I would stay away from the steroid cream because it can thin your

skin.

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so sorry gracia but you are the one who incorrect. cortef, cortisol are steroids

and too much of them WILL cause your skin to thin. that is a FACT. MORE is NOT

better with this drug.

From: Gracia

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:49 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

this is misinformation. I do not have thin skin on cortef, well maybe on this

list I do.

it is important to understand the physiologic doses of cortisol.

see Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD

Gracia

if you do use cortisol cream- use a VERY thin layer of it on the skin. more is

not better with this drug.

personally, I would stay away from the steroid cream because it can thin your

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Amy,

You wrote:

> ... My FT4 is exactly midrange and they forgot to do a FT3 like they usually

do. The T3 uptake was at the top of the range. Is that a useful lab at all or

is FT3 the only decent measure of T3?...

Uptake is an obsolete (although cheap) method of deducing globulin binding. If

you measure FT4 and T4, that gives you the same thing and more precisely. Once

you have eliminated binding as an issue, you shouldn't need to keep retesting

it.

An alternative way to avoid the FT3 test, if you don't have insurance, is to

measure FT4, T4, and T3, and assume they obey the ratio:

FT4/T4 = FT3/T3. However, the most precise method is to measure FT3 directly.

None of this addresses conversion issues. If your T3 is low compared to T4, you

may be converting too much of the T4 to RT3. This is a well studied part of the

metabolism of T4, which can have pronounced adverse effects when there is too

much RT3. That is why there is a standard test for it with lots of publications

behind it.

The one aspect of RT3 that is doubtful is the theory of RT3 dominance.

There is a lot of evidence that this is indeed in the category of equine

scatology. Regular RT3 problems are definitely NOT.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

no.

From: venizia1948

Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:41 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

do you notice any side effects?

venizia

> >

> > if you do use cortisol cream- use a VERY thin layer of it on the

> skin. more is not better with this drug.

> > personally, I would stay away from the steroid cream because it can

> thin your skin.

> >

> >

> > From: venizia1948

> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:27 PM

> > hypothyroidism

> > Subject: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

> >

> >

> > No, I have not tried a cortisol cream. I have no idea how much to use

> > so as not to overdose. I will check out what sttm has to say about

> > that. It makes my skin crawl when you say it could be lymphatic

> > because I have been told my lymphatic system is unusual small and I

> > have no idea what can be done about that. So then I think, I may just

> > have to live with this? Not acceptable but maybe.

> >

> > Venizia

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

well there! remember though that allopathic docs don't use iodine/iodide or

cortef, which could solve the RT3 prob. But hey, testing is fun and we all have

plenty of $$$ for that.

I just spent about $200 on pet grooming, flea treatments, and gas.

Gracia

Amy,

You wrote:

> ... My FT4 is exactly midrange and they forgot to do a FT3 like they usually

do. The T3 uptake was at the top of the range. Is that a useful lab at all or is

FT3 the only decent measure of T3?...

Uptake is an obsolete (although cheap) method of deducing globulin binding. If

you measure FT4 and T4, that gives you the same thing and more precisely. Once

you have eliminated binding as an issue, you shouldn't need to keep retesting

it.

An alternative way to avoid the FT3 test, if you don't have insurance, is to

measure FT4, T4, and T3, and assume they obey the ratio:

FT4/T4 = FT3/T3. However, the most precise method is to measure FT3 directly.

None of this addresses conversion issues. If your T3 is low compared to T4,

you may be converting too much of the T4 to RT3. This is a well studied part of

the metabolism of T4, which can have pronounced adverse effects when there is

too much RT3. That is why there is a standard test for it with lots of

publications behind it.

The one aspect of RT3 that is doubtful is the theory of RT3 dominance.

There is a lot of evidence that this is indeed in the category of equine

scatology. Regular RT3 problems are definitely NOT.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

that is not what I was saying. what I said is that a person who is

hypothyroid and not treated adequately ( for example treated to TSH while on

Armour), should not be given " water pills " for edema. they should be treated

properly for hypothyroidism.

Gracia

My previous post was not intended to say that your edema is not caused

by hypothyroidism; I simply don't know. But I do know that to say that

all edema is caused by hypothyroidism is a crock.

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that is not what I was saying. what I said is that a person who is

hypothyroid and not treated adequately ( for example treated to TSH while on

Armour), should not be given " water pills " for edema. they should be treated

properly for hypothyroidism.

Gracia

My previous post was not intended to say that your edema is not caused

by hypothyroidism; I simply don't know. But I do know that to say that

all edema is caused by hypothyroidism is a crock.

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, You're right, allopathic medicine had a " little " to do with extending

lifetime(s), VERY little.

But, still -- the physicians of the world " think " they had something to do

with it, just because they push the pills on you that are foisted on them by

their drug reps.

In TRUTH, the big rise in American longevity was mostly occasioned by my

friends, the water engineers, who -- for VERY LITTLE money, send you and

MOST AMERICANS relatively " clean " water -- for drinking, bathing, and other

healthful purposes, like cooking and cleaning. In addition, most of the

" rest " of the longevity story belongs to the wasterwater, or sanitation

engineers, who -- also for a mere, monthly pittance, in most American

communities -- take away your waste stream(s), including fecal material

which used to be " tossed out the upper window, " from the Chamber pot,

especially in ean England.

AS a result, few Americans, anymore, manage -- quite as often -- to pollute

their own on-site, " water-wells " with fecal pollution from the outhouse,

which for convenience, they usually located too close to the well, anyhow,

so that they didn't have to run too far on a cold morning, in order to dump

their own " stuff " into the ground.

PHARMACUTICAL-BASED MEDICINE's main contribution to health is from

pretty-good " trauma care, " which they learned how to perform from MASH,

either watching it on TV, or from actual experience in the field in Korea,

just like on TV, or in Vietnam, when in-the-field trauma care really

became a scientifically-developed medical resource.

Today, IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, go to the best Trauma Care Center you can

find. Most likely, you will receive the very best of care, because THOSE

dedicated Doctors and Nurses have BECOME VERY GOOD AT BANDAGING UP VERY

SICK, INJURED, AND DYING PEOPLE

HOWEVER, once you are " out of trauma danger, " get thee OUT OF THE HOSPITAL

because it's actually really easy to die IN a modern, American hospital. In

fact, Iatrogenic Disease IS the MAJOR CAUSE OF DEATH, each year, in AMERICA,

TODAY, easily surpassing Heart Disease, AND Cancer !

That's right, you are MORE LIKELY, today, TO DIE AT THE HANDS OF YOUR DOCTOR

than from any other cause. Try to get ANY hospital to give your their

staph-infection, death statistics, and you'll most likely find that YOUR

local community hospital will refuse to tell YOU how many people they have

killed, in the past 365 days.

GO HOME, you're safer there.

Anyhow, Morrris Fishbein and the boys at the FDA and other

government-resting places, managed to make the AMA into such a strong

PHYSICIAN'S TRADE UNION, with the primary intent of defending medical

" turf, " that not a heck of a lot of " medical progress " was made during his

reign. A graduate physician, yes, Fishbein, to my knowledge, never

practiced medicine for a day in his life.

So, to the present, about 6 out of 7 physicians, today, ADMIT that they

don't really have much of an idea of what they're doing, except for giving

out the 'pill-du-jour,' i.e., the " new " medicine left by their drug-detail

wo/man last Thursday, before you came in on Monday. As a result of this and

on top of unrestricted pill and potion advertising on TV, we have 10 year

old boys " asking their doctor,' for the PURPLE pill. AND, we have 8 year old

girls on their periods. WOW !

What great contributions the allopaths have made.

Yet, we have great men and women, like Ignatius Semmelweiss, Antoine

Beauchamps, Royal Rife, Max Gerson, , Ann Wigmore, _ _ _ _

_ _ _ _ _ _ Burzinski (sp?), Hulda , Langer, Judah Folkman (who

just died), Jerry Knox, and a host of others -- who have held " REAL " cures

in their hands, but who, for reasons advanced BY the allopathic disease-care

system, have been prevented from bringing those " cures " to the public they

wished to serve.

And, let's not ignore Jethro Kloss, Bernard Jenson, Norman W. ,

Lorraine Day, Paavo Airola, Pavel Yutsis, ,

C. Atkins, n Whitaker, I. Lane, Francis, T.

Everson, Trudeau, Ben Lerner, WIlliams, Ralph Moss, and the host

of people over at Life Extension Foundation, plus Roy Monahan and Alan

Cassels -- and probably hundreds more, all of whom have had great insights

into health, and health-care.

But, even my sister has been known to say, " Your Doctor doesn't care if you

get well, s/he only cares if you pay the bill. " Jaded? Perhaps! Experienced?

PROBABLY.

The ONE instance where today's medicine MIGHT stand proud is possibly in

Surgery. Micro surgery, and organ transplants come to mind as heroic. BUT,

IF your surgeon is late on his BMW payment, you're surely gonna get

something cut off.

See? The entire American medical system is like a FUNNEL, where millions of

patients get channeled into the open-mouthed top of a gigantic funnel, and a

few hundred thousand come out the bottom into the waiting hands of a surgeon

who, when you greet her/him with a simple " Good morning, Doctor, " you get

back a polite, but over-assuming, " Thank You. "

Virtually ALL Modern-day, Major Medical Research, today, is focused on some

form of Caloric Restriction. See? Scientists learned about 40 years ago,

that if you feed laboratory rats half as much food, they live twice as long

-- but they're NOT HAPPY about it. In humans, that translates to about 1200

calories a day (just above starvation), and in this 'land of plenty,' our

FELLOW AMERICANS just are not " gonna " starve, merely for a slight, extra 50

years of healthy life.

IF you have had been able to " read between the lines, " , you'da seen

that ALL that research above, really means that " REDUCING the acidic

assault " on the body potentially DOUBLES the life-span of hte human inside

that body. It really is NO HARDER than that.

I, personally, asked Dr. Folkman, " Is it really THIS easy? " and he said,

" Yes, it is. " Your wife will be okay. I'll have my colleague, Dr. _ _ _ _ _

look into it, and give her a call. And, this was when Dr. Folkman was the

" Chair, " I think, of the Harvard University Cancer Research Department (or

some such), and affiliated with Boston Children's Memorial Hospital. Dr.

Folkman said, " Oh, and along the way, we can make Macular Degeneration 'go

away,' but we hardly ever talk about that, anymore, and [we] leave it to the

Eye Surgeons to 'take care of it.' "

ALLOPATHS? Are they any better than the Homeopaths?

Remember, when you go to your physician, about 46% of all American

physician-practitioners have admitted, in writing, that they have " abused "

their own prescribing powers, presumably to get their own " drugs, etc.). "

This means that on your very NEXT doctor visit, you have almost a 50/50

chance of getting a doctor " under the influence. "

Trauma, OK! Chronic care, NO WAY!

OK, NO WAY !

Hail me, , if you would care to explore these issues in greater detail.

Please !

Thanks, and God Bless,

Dr. Dan

(877) 585-8552, NOT a MEDICAL DOCTOR, neither diagnosing, prescribing,

treating, healing, or curing goin' on 'round heahhh!

Hear?

Thyroid? I take Levothyroid.

High Blood Pressure ? Almost everything you been taught about BP is wrong.

High Cholesterol ? Brain fuel -- you can't develop real, reliable rebuttals

to allegations made in *Selling Sickness*, about the real reasons about CVD

and " what to do anout it?

TIGHT CONTROL of blood sugar? It sure does sell a lot of pills, but it

doesn't have much of a way to treat OR cure or even " control, " PLANNED

sugar-visit doctors.

Automatic Emergency (or Electronic) " ? Defibrillator(s) in airports, and

anywhere, it's a cannon n there.

YOU'RE RIGHT. WE don't have a Doctor in the house? ? ? ? OR, we DON'T have a

Dcotor in the house, so, we'll just terminate this patient, who doesn't have

any family or friends left.

Take me to a good Alternative Health guy/gal. GIve me some Alpha Lipoic

Acid, and a few more supplements, including 1,000 to 5,000 IUD and then CALL

ME, in a month. Take about !,000 a day, IF you feel like it? "

Health-care, expensive and unavailable. Follow the Money, Today, and Always

! The guy who finally GETS the coin gets what the coin CAN buy!

Write me if you want to learn more.

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> Neanderthals had an estimated life span at birth of 20 years and those

> of the Upper Paleolithic had 33 years. Neolithic dropped down to 20

> years and the Bronze age had only 18.

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> Classical Greece and Rome had between 20 and 30 years, and pre-Columbian

> North America had between 25 to 35 years. Medieval Britain had between

> 20 and 30, and in the early 20th century it was between 30 and 40. The

> current world average is about 66 years.

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> In the US in 1900 it was 47; by 1950 it was over 68. It went to 73.7 in

> 1980 and to 77.5 in 2003.

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[Guest guest]

Woa, that was deep. I don't usually read long posts, but I just took my

Armour about 20 minutes ago and I'm trying to think of anything beside

eating. That was good though. So, Dr. Dan can you go into detail about

yourself? Let us know where exactly you are coming from? How long have you

been hypo? T4 is your drug of choice????

crystal

-- Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

, You're right, allopathic medicine had a " little " to do with extending

lifetime(s), VERY little.

But, still -- the physicians of the world " think " they had something to do

with it, just because they push the pills on you that are foisted on them by

their drug reps.

In TRUTH, the big rise in American longevity was mostly occasioned by my

friends, the water engineers, who -- for VERY LITTLE money, send you and

MOST AMERICANS relatively " clean " water -- for drinking, bathing, and other

healthful purposes, like cooking and cleaning. In addition, most of the

" rest " of the longevity story belongs to the wasterwater, or sanitation

engineers, who -- also for a mere, monthly pittance, in most American

communities -- take away your waste stream(s), including fecal material

which used to be " tossed out the upper window, " from the Chamber pot,

especially in ean England.

AS a result, few Americans, anymore, manage -- quite as often -- to pollute

their own on-site, " water-wells " with fecal pollution from the outhouse,

which for convenience, they usually located too close to the well, anyhow,

so that they didn't have to run too far on a cold morning, in order to dump

their own " stuff " into the ground.

PHARMACUTICAL-BASED MEDICINE's main contribution to health is from

pretty-good " trauma care, " which they learned how to perform from MASH,

either watching it on TV, or from actual experience in the field in Korea,

just like on TV, or in Vietnam, when in-the-field trauma care really

became a scientifically-developed medical resource.

Today, IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, go to the best Trauma Care Center you can

find. Most likely, you will receive the very best of care, because THOSE

dedicated Doctors and Nurses have BECOME VERY GOOD AT BANDAGING UP VERY

SICK, INJURED, AND DYING PEOPLE

HOWEVER, once you are " out of trauma danger, " get thee OUT OF THE HOSPITAL

because it's actually really easy to die IN a modern, American hospital. In

fact, Iatrogenic Disease IS the MAJOR CAUSE OF DEATH, each year, in AMERICA,

TODAY, easily surpassing Heart Disease, AND Cancer !

That's right, you are MORE LIKELY, today, TO DIE AT THE HANDS OF YOUR DOCTOR

than from any other cause. Try to get ANY hospital to give your their

staph-infection, death statistics, and you'll most likely find that YOUR

local community hospital will refuse to tell YOU how many people they have

killed, in the past 365 days.

GO HOME, you're safer there.

Anyhow, Morrris Fishbein and the boys at the FDA and other

government-resting places, managed to make the AMA into such a strong

PHYSICIAN'S TRADE UNION, with the primary intent of defending medical

" turf, " that not a heck of a lot of " medical progress " was made during his

reign. A graduate physician, yes, Fishbein, to my knowledge, never

practiced medicine for a day in his life.

So, to the present, about 6 out of 7 physicians, today, ADMIT that they

don't really have much of an idea of what they're doing, except for giving

out the 'pill-du-jour,' i.e., the " new " medicine left by their drug-detail

wo/man last Thursday, before you came in on Monday. As a result of this and

on top of unrestricted pill and potion advertising on TV, we have 10 year

old boys " asking their doctor,' for the PURPLE pill. AND, we have 8 year old

girls on their periods. WOW !

What great contributions the allopaths have made.

Yet, we have great men and women, like Ignatius Semmelweiss, Antoine

Beauchamps, Royal Rife, Max Gerson, , Ann Wigmore, _ _ _ _

_ _ _ _ _ _ Burzinski (sp?), Hulda , Langer, Judah Folkman (who

just died), Jerry Knox, and a host of others -- who have held " REAL " cures

in their hands, but who, for reasons advanced BY the allopathic disease-care

system, have been prevented from bringing those " cures " to the public they

wished to serve.

And, let's not ignore Jethro Kloss, Bernard Jenson, Norman W. ,

Lorraine Day, Paavo Airola, Pavel Yutsis, ,

C. Atkins, n Whitaker, I. Lane, Francis, T.

Everson, Trudeau, Ben Lerner, WIlliams, Ralph Moss, and the host

of people over at Life Extension Foundation, plus Roy Monahan and Alan

Cassels -- and probably hundreds more, all of whom have had great insights

into health, and health-care.

But, even my sister has been known to say, " Your Doctor doesn't care if you

get well, s/he only cares if you pay the bill. " Jaded? Perhaps! Experienced?

PROBABLY.

The ONE instance where today's medicine MIGHT stand proud is possibly in

Surgery. Micro surgery, and organ transplants come to mind as heroic. BUT,

IF your surgeon is late on his BMW payment, you're surely gonna get

something cut off.

See? The entire American medical system is like a FUNNEL, where millions of

patients get channeled into the open-mouthed top of a gigantic funnel, and a

few hundred thousand come out the bottom into the waiting hands of a surgeon

who, when you greet her/him with a simple " Good morning, Doctor, " you get

back a polite, but over-assuming, " Thank You. "

Virtually ALL Modern-day, Major Medical Research, today, is focused on some

form of Caloric Restriction. See? Scientists learned about 40 years ago,

that if you feed laboratory rats half as much food, they live twice as long

-- but they're NOT HAPPY about it. In humans, that translates to about 1200

calories a day (just above starvation), and in this 'land of plenty,' our

FELLOW AMERICANS just are not " gonna " starve, merely for a slight, extra 50

years of healthy life.

IF you have had been able to " read between the lines, " , you'da seen

that ALL that research above, really means that " REDUCING the acidic

assault " on the body potentially DOUBLES the life-span of hte human inside

that body. It really is NO HARDER than that.

I, personally, asked Dr. Folkman, " Is it really THIS easy? " and he said,

" Yes, it is. " Your wife will be okay. I'll have my colleague, Dr. _ _ _ _ _

look into it, and give her a call. And, this was when Dr. Folkman was the

" Chair, " I think, of the Harvard University Cancer Research Department (or

some such), and affiliated with Boston Children's Memorial Hospital. Dr.

Folkman said, " Oh, and along the way, we can make Macular Degeneration 'go

away,' but we hardly ever talk about that, anymore, and [we] leave it to the

Eye Surgeons to 'take care of it.' "

ALLOPATHS? Are they any better than the Homeopaths?

Remember, when you go to your physician, about 46% of all American

physician-practitioners have admitted, in writing, that they have " abused "

their own prescribing powers, presumably to get their own " drugs, etc.). "

This means that on your very NEXT doctor visit, you have almost a 50/50

chance of getting a doctor " under the influence. "

Trauma, OK! Chronic care, NO WAY!

OK, NO WAY !

Hail me, , if you would care to explore these issues in greater detail.

Please !

Thanks, and God Bless,

Dr. Dan

(877) 585-8552, NOT a MEDICAL DOCTOR, neither diagnosing, prescribing,

treating, healing, or curing goin' on 'round heahhh!

Hear?

Thyroid? I take Levothyroid.

High Blood Pressure ? Almost everything you been taught about BP is wrong.

High Cholesterol ? Brain fuel -- you can't develop real, reliable rebuttals

to allegations made in *Selling Sickness*, about the real reasons about CVD

and " what to do anout it?

TIGHT CONTROL of blood sugar? It sure does sell a lot of pills, but it

doesn't have much of a way to treat OR cure or even " control, " PLANNED

sugar-visit doctors.

Automatic Emergency (or Electronic) " ? Defibrillator(s) in airports, and

anywhere, it's a cannon n there.

YOU'RE RIGHT. WE don't have a Doctor in the house? ? ? ? OR, we DON'T have a

Dcotor in the house, so, we'll just terminate this patient, who doesn't have

any family or friends left.

Take me to a good Alternative Health guy/gal. GIve me some Alpha Lipoic

Acid, and a few more supplements, including 1,000 to 5,000 IUD and then CALL

ME, in a month. Take about !,000 a day, IF you feel like it? "

Health-care, expensive and unavailable. Follow the Money, Today, and Always

! The guy who finally GETS the coin gets what the coin CAN buy!

Write me if you want to learn more.

Dr. Phil

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:36 PM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

> Neanderthals had an estimated life span at birth of 20 years and those

> of the Upper Paleolithic had 33 years. Neolithic dropped down to 20

> years and the Bronze age had only 18.

>

> Classical Greece and Rome had between 20 and 30 years, and pre-Columbian

> North America had between 25 to 35 years. Medieval Britain had between

> 20 and 30, and in the early 20th century it was between 30 and 40. The

> current world average is about 66 years.

>

> In the US in 1900 it was 47; by 1950 it was over 68. It went to 73.7 in

> 1980 and to 77.5 in 2003.

>

> I rather suspect allopathic medicine had a little to do with it;

> especially in the reduction of infant mortality.

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> > Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

> > <

> hypothyroidism/message/40089

_ylc=X3oDMTJxNWxvYWgwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

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> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <circe%40gwi.net>

> > <mailto:circe@... <circe%40gwi.net>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20swelling%20upon%20excertion%2FChuck>

> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:30 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> > Armour/cortef/Iodoral

>

> > allopathic medicne is a disease maintenance system.

> > Gracia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

allopathic medicne is a disease maintenance system.

> > Gracia

Allopathic medicine is a " Money-Making " disease enhancing system, designed

to keep people dependent on pills and potions, as long as it's PROFITABLE to

do so.

I mis-quoted my sister, the other day. She actually said, " Your doctor

doesn't " care " whether you live or die, s/he only cares whether you pay the

bill. "

Anyhow, I was " devastatingly ill " in 1992, fat, bloated, unable to retain

consciousness - even in active conversation, fainting at the wheel of the

car, and COLD all the time, when I was sent into the hospital for diagnostic

testing. After several days of prodding, poking, enemaing, x-raying,

MRI'ing, and about every thing else, including a upper GI examination, and a

barium enema examination, I was finally diagnosed with Congenital Redundant

Colon, and hypothyroidism. I was prescribed TWO, 0.175 levothyroid tablets a

day, and within a year, I had shed about 80 - 90 pounds of excess weight,

had regained my energy and obtained a new job, wrote an article which was

published in Mother Earth News (2 million ciculation), started " active "

living again, gave up the wheelchair ride I had had to have -- just to take

my son TO DisneyWorld, lost my thoughts of young-death, and started to move

on with my life.

Today, I am an incredibly-healthy, almost 57 year old man with a new

" Alternative Health-Care practice, focusing on pH re-normalization -- which

is " saving MS, CA, IBS and IBD, CVD, BP, and Diabetic 'almost-client(s)' a

lot of time, trouble, and money, " and which is keeping them alive, and in

better health than they have had in years.

Next to no one quits therapeutic application of the ideas I suggest. THE HEP

C guy I talk with has low - to - NO viral counts to bother him, and the BS

people are able to " forget " where all the clean potties are in Myrtle Beach.

NO ANIMALS WERE HARMED IN OUR RESEARCH, AND NO ONE HAS GONE " BROKE " OVER THE

8 TO 90 cents a day cost they spend on " health " stuff. Oh, the nutritional

supplements they buy at Wallyworld aren't very expensive either!

One of these days, " 'I'm " probably gonna get around to charging them a fee

of some kind, but today, I even pay for a toll-free phone line so that sick

people don't even have to pay to contact me.

Thanks y'all, for lettin' me BE a part of your web site on healing.

Dr. Dan Kukulka, NOT a MEDICAL DOCTOR, by the Grace of God, but a PhD

researcher who has forgot how to " follow " the crowd, toward the

profit-motive selling pills, potions, and nostrums.

1100 Lovell Ct

Conway, SC 29526

(843) 455-9208

(877) 585-8552 -- play with the letters on your telephone key pad :-)

God Bless us, everyone !

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

wrote:

>

> Woa, that was deep. I don't usually read long posts, but I just took my

> Armour about 20 minutes ago and I'm trying to think of anything beside

> eating. That was good though. So, Dr. Dan can you go into detail about

> yourself? Let us know where exactly you are coming from? How long have you

> been hypo? T4 is your drug of choice????

> crystal

> -- Re: Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

>

> , You're right, allopathic medicine had a " little " to do with

> extending

> lifetime(s), VERY little.

> But, still -- the physicians of the world " think " they had something to do

> with it, just because they push the pills on you that are foisted on them

> by

> their drug reps.

>

> In TRUTH, the big rise in American longevity was mostly occasioned by my

> friends, the water engineers, who -- for VERY LITTLE money, send you and

> MOST AMERICANS relatively " clean " water -- for drinking, bathing, and other

>

> healthful purposes, like cooking and cleaning. In addition, most of the

> " rest " of the longevity story belongs to the wasterwater, or sanitation

> engineers, who -- also for a mere, monthly pittance, in most American

> communities -- take away your waste stream(s), including fecal material

> which used to be " tossed out the upper window, " from the Chamber pot,

> especially in ean England.

>

> AS a result, few Americans, anymore, manage -- quite as often -- to pollute

>

> their own on-site, " water-wells " with fecal pollution from the outhouse,

> which for convenience, they usually located too close to the well, anyhow,

> so that they didn't have to run too far on a cold morning, in order to dump

>

> their own " stuff " into the ground.

>

> PHARMACUTICAL-BASED MEDICINE's main contribution to health is from

> pretty-good " trauma care, " which they learned how to perform from MASH,

> either watching it on TV, or from actual experience in the field in Korea,

> just like on TV, or in Vietnam, when in-the-field trauma care really

> became a scientifically-developed medical resource.

>

> Today, IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, go to the best Trauma Care Center you can

> find. Most likely, you will receive the very best of care, because THOSE

> dedicated Doctors and Nurses have BECOME VERY GOOD AT BANDAGING UP VERY

> SICK, INJURED, AND DYING PEOPLE

>

> HOWEVER, once you are " out of trauma danger, " get thee OUT OF THE HOSPITAL

>

> because it's actually really easy to die IN a modern, American hospital. In

>

> fact, Iatrogenic Disease IS the MAJOR CAUSE OF DEATH, each year, in

> AMERICA,

> TODAY, easily surpassing Heart Disease, AND Cancer !

>

> That's right, you are MORE LIKELY, today, TO DIE AT THE HANDS OF YOUR

> DOCTOR

> than from any other cause. Try to get ANY hospital to give your their

> staph-infection, death statistics, and you'll most likely find that YOUR

> local community hospital will refuse to tell YOU how many people they have

> killed, in the past 365 days.

>

> GO HOME, you're safer there.

>

> Anyhow, Morrris Fishbein and the boys at the FDA and other

> government-resting places, managed to make the AMA into such a strong

> PHYSICIAN'S TRADE UNION, with the primary intent of defending medical

> " turf, " that not a heck of a lot of " medical progress " was made during his

> reign. A graduate physician, yes, Fishbein, to my knowledge, never

> practiced medicine for a day in his life.

>

> So, to the present, about 6 out of 7 physicians, today, ADMIT that they

> don't really have much of an idea of what they're doing, except for giving

> out the 'pill-du-jour,' i.e., the " new " medicine left by their drug-detail

> wo/man last Thursday, before you came in on Monday. As a result of this and

>

> on top of unrestricted pill and potion advertising on TV, we have 10 year

> old boys " asking their doctor,' for the PURPLE pill. AND, we have 8 year

> old

> girls on their periods. WOW !

>

> What great contributions the allopaths have made.

>

> Yet, we have great men and women, like Ignatius Semmelweiss, Antoine

> Beauchamps, Royal Rife, Max Gerson, , Ann Wigmore, _ _ _ _

>

> _ _ _ _ _ _ Burzinski (sp?), Hulda , Langer, Judah Folkman (who

>

> just died), Jerry Knox, and a host of others -- who have held " REAL " cures

> in their hands, but who, for reasons advanced BY the allopathic

> disease-care

> system, have been prevented from bringing those " cures " to the public they

> wished to serve.

>

> And, let's not ignore Jethro Kloss, Bernard Jenson, Norman W. ,

> Lorraine Day, Paavo Airola, Pavel Yutsis, ,

> C. Atkins, n Whitaker, I. Lane, Francis, T.

> Everson, Trudeau, Ben Lerner, WIlliams, Ralph Moss, and the

> host

> of people over at Life Extension Foundation, plus Roy Monahan and Alan

> Cassels -- and probably hundreds more, all of whom have had great insights

> into health, and health-care.

>

> But, even my sister has been known to say, " Your Doctor doesn't care if you

>

> get well, s/he only cares if you pay the bill. " Jaded? Perhaps!

> Experienced?

> PROBABLY.

>

> The ONE instance where today's medicine MIGHT stand proud is possibly in

> Surgery. Micro surgery, and organ transplants come to mind as heroic. BUT,

> IF your surgeon is late on his BMW payment, you're surely gonna get

> something cut off.

>

> See? The entire American medical system is like a FUNNEL, where millions of

>

> patients get channeled into the open-mouthed top of a gigantic funnel, and

> a

> few hundred thousand come out the bottom into the waiting hands of a

> surgeon

> who, when you greet her/him with a simple " Good morning, Doctor, " you get

> back a polite, but over-assuming, " Thank You. "

>

> Virtually ALL Modern-day, Major Medical Research, today, is focused on some

>

> form of Caloric Restriction. See? Scientists learned about 40 years ago,

> that if you feed laboratory rats half as much food, they live twice as long

>

> -- but they're NOT HAPPY about it. In humans, that translates to about 1200

>

> calories a day (just above starvation), and in this 'land of plenty,' our

> FELLOW AMERICANS just are not " gonna " starve, merely for a slight, extra 50

>

> years of healthy life.

>

> IF you have had been able to " read between the lines, " , you'da seen

> that ALL that research above, really means that " REDUCING the acidic

> assault " on the body potentially DOUBLES the life-span of hte human inside

> that body. It really is NO HARDER than that.

>

> I, personally, asked Dr. Folkman, " Is it really THIS easy? " and he said,

> " Yes, it is. " Your wife will be okay. I'll have my colleague, Dr. _ _ _ _ _

>

> look into it, and give her a call. And, this was when Dr. Folkman was the

> " Chair, " I think, of the Harvard University Cancer Research Department (or

> some such), and affiliated with Boston Children's Memorial Hospital. Dr.

> Folkman said, " Oh, and along the way, we can make Macular Degeneration 'go

> away,' but we hardly ever talk about that, anymore, and [we] leave it to

> the

> Eye Surgeons to 'take care of it.' "

>

> ALLOPATHS? Are they any better than the Homeopaths?

>

> Remember, when you go to your physician, about 46% of all American

> physician-practitioners have admitted, in writing, that they have " abused "

> their own prescribing powers, presumably to get their own " drugs, etc.). "

> This means that on your very NEXT doctor visit, you have almost a 50/50

> chance of getting a doctor " under the influence. "

>

> Trauma, OK! Chronic care, NO WAY!

>

> OK, NO WAY !

>

> Hail me, , if you would care to explore these issues in greater

> detail.

>

> Please !

>

> Thanks, and God Bless,

>

> Dr. Dan

>

> (877) 585-8552, NOT a MEDICAL DOCTOR, neither diagnosing, prescribing,

> treating, healing, or curing goin' on 'round heahhh!

>

> Hear?

>

> Thyroid? I take Levothyroid.

>

> High Blood Pressure ? Almost everything you been taught about BP is wrong.

>

> High Cholesterol ? Brain fuel -- you can't develop real, reliable rebuttals

>

> to allegations made in *Selling Sickness*, about the real reasons about CVD

>

> and " what to do anout it?

>

> TIGHT CONTROL of blood sugar? It sure does sell a lot of pills, but it

> doesn't have much of a way to treat OR cure or even " control, " PLANNED

> sugar-visit doctors.

>

> Automatic Emergency (or Electronic) " ? Defibrillator(s) in airports, and

> anywhere, it's a cannon n there.

>

> YOU'RE RIGHT. WE don't have a Doctor in the house? ? ? ? OR, we DON'T have

> a

> Dcotor in the house, so, we'll just terminate this patient, who doesn't

> have

> any family or friends left.

>

> Take me to a good Alternative Health guy/gal. GIve me some Alpha Lipoic

> Acid, and a few more supplements, including 1,000 to 5,000 IUD and then

> CALL

> ME, in a month. Take about !,000 a day, IF you feel like it? "

>

> Health-care, expensive and unavailable. Follow the Money, Today, and Always

>

> ! The guy who finally GETS the coin gets what the coin CAN buy!

>

> Write me if you want to learn more.

>

> Dr. Phil

>

> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:36 PM,

<res075oh@...<res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> wrote:

>

> > Neanderthals had an estimated life span at birth of 20 years and those

> > of the Upper Paleolithic had 33 years. Neolithic dropped down to 20

> > years and the Bronze age had only 18.

> >

> > Classical Greece and Rome had between 20 and 30 years, and pre-Columbian

> > North America had between 25 to 35 years. Medieval Britain had between

> > 20 and 30, and in the early 20th century it was between 30 and 40. The

> > current world average is about 66 years.

> >

> > In the US in 1900 it was 47; by 1950 it was over 68. It went to 73.7 in

> > 1980 and to 77.5 in 2003.

> >

> > I rather suspect allopathic medicine had a little to do with it;

> > especially in the reduction of infant mortality.

> >

> >

> >

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> > >

> > > Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

> > > <

> > hypothyroidism/message/40089

>

> _ylc=X3oDMTJxNWxvYWgwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

> DIEbXNnSWQDNDAwODkEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxNjU5OTc3OA--

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <circe%40gwi.net> <circe%40gwi.net>

> > > <mailto:circe@... <circe%40gwi.net> <circe%40gwi.net>

> > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20swelling%20upon%20excertion%2FChuck>

> > > graciabee <graciabee>

> > >

> > >

> > > Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:30 pm (PDT)

> > >

> > >

> > > Armour/cortef/Iodoral

> >

> > > allopathic medicne is a disease maintenance system.

> > > Gracia

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ah Venizia how sweet of you. Are you sure I don't need to take out a

protection order ; ) As always I thank God for this group and the people on

it. SO I am glad I can be used to brighten people's day. Now I'm off to go

and close my blinds : 0 )>

CW~who's day was made (and they say kids give you joy??? ha)

-- Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

Crystal,

Of all the people I talk to on these groups and I talk to many and am

on many groups, you are the most precious. Your sense of humor is

good for you and others. I always look forward to your posts because I

know at least one of them is going to lift my spirits. I know I have

said this in others ways to you before but I hope you don't mind.

Sometimes people need to know that they are doing good for others and

that you are!

Good health to you!

Venizia

>

>

> Woa, that was deep. I don't usually read long posts, but I just took my

> Armour about 20 minutes ago and I'm trying to think of anything beside

> eating. That was good though. So, Dr. Dan can you go into detail

about

> yourself? Let us know where exactly you are coming from? How long

have you

> been hypo? T4 is your drug of choice????

> crystal

> -------Original Message-------

>

>

[Guest guest]

No concern here. But for real, why do people wanna keep leaving us? We

aint that scarry are we?

cw

-- Re: swelling upon excertion/Chuck

>

> Crystal,

>

> Of all the people I talk to on these groups and I talk to many and am

> on many groups, you are the most precious. Your sense of humor is

> good for you and others. I always look forward to your posts because I

> know at least one of them is going to lift my spirits. I know I have

> said this in others ways to you before but I hope you don't mind.

> Sometimes people need to know that they are doing good for others and

> that you are!

>

> Good health to you!

>

> Venizia

>

>

> >

> >

> > Woa, that was deep. I don't usually read long posts, but I just

took my

> > Armour about 20 minutes ago and I'm trying to think of anything beside

> > eating. That was good though. So, Dr. Dan can you go into detail

> about

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> > been hypo? T4 is your drug of choice????

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