Re: Is it necessary to have antibodies tested after starting treatme

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Chuck is a scientist and you can depend upon what he tells you. It is

of course possible [although highly unlikely] that he will make an

inaccurate statement in his field of expertise. It is very unlikely

that you will find anyone on this list or on many lists who will be

better informed on the mainstream scientific view of these matters. If

you want an alternative view you may well have to go elsewhere.

The iodine skin loading test is a total crock; and the urine loading

test is of dubious value. In a recent quote by one of the [in]famous

" iodine docs " who have promoted these loading tests I guess for decades

he stated that the skin loading test " is not sufficiently accurate " . He

also referred to the urine loading test as being unnecessary. Neither

of them have ever been shown to have sufficient correlation with _real_

tests results by real doctors to be of any health benefit whatsoever.

So now even quacks who have promoted them so long are starting to change

their minds; probably in part due to the fact that every credible source

points out their unreliability.

Luck,

>

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> fragrance_seen <fragrance_seen>

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>

> Tue Sep 9, 2008 8:05 pm (PDT)

>

>

> Hi, Chuck.

>

> Maybe you are wrong, there are many Hashimoto's with HypoT take iodine

> supplement after the loading test showed their iodine is of defficiency.

>

> I read about the iodine effects in medcial books, and it said that high

> iodine diet is harmful for Hashimoto's. but many on Messageboards/

> iodine

> Groups said that it is not true.

>

> Would you like to figure it out further?

>

> Fragrance

>

>

> > >

> > > If you have hashimoto's, you have antibodies against TPO (thyroid

> > > peroxidase)....

> >

> > Not necessarily. A person with Hashimoto's will likely also have

> > antibodies to thyroglobuline (anti-Tg). Numerous studies in humans and

> > animals have shown a dose dependent acceleration of Hashimoto's by

> > excess iodine intake. The mechanism for this is hypothesized that the

> > iodine is taken up by the globulin, making it an antigen.

> >

> > Chuck

[Guest guest]

this is what is said on the iodine list--iodine patch test isn't accurate and

it is not necessary to do an iodine test. I never did one! I figured out I

needed 100mg Iodoral and ATP cofactors for iodine absorption on my own.

more info on http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

remember that I am fully expecting Chuck to buy me dinner when I win the bet

about iodine.

Gracia

Chuck is a scientist and you can depend upon what he tells you. It is

of course possible [although highly unlikely] that he will make an

inaccurate statement in his field of expertise. It is very unlikely

that you will find anyone on this list or on many lists who will be

better informed on the mainstream scientific view of these matters. If

you want an alternative view you may well have to go elsewhere.

The iodine skin loading test is a total crock; and the urine loading

test is of dubious value. In a recent quote by one of the [in]famous

" iodine docs " who have promoted these loading tests I guess for decades

he stated that the skin loading test " is not sufficiently accurate " . He

also referred to the urine loading test as being unnecessary. Neither

of them have ever been shown to have sufficient correlation with _real_

tests results by real doctors to be of any health benefit whatsoever.

So now even quacks who have promoted them so long are starting to change

their minds; probably in part due to the fact that every credible source

points out their unreliability.

Luck,

>

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Hmm. why doesn't ( the all disease curing) Armour suffice for your disease

maintenance?

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Re: Re: Is it necessary to have antibodies tested

after starting treatme

this is what is said on the iodine list--iodine patch test isn't accurate

and it is not necessary to do an iodine test. I never did one! I figured

out I needed 100mg Iodoral and ATP cofactors for iodine absorption on my

own.

more info on http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

remember that I am fully expecting Chuck to buy me dinner when I win the

bet about iodine.

Gracia

Chuck is a scientist and you can depend upon what he tells you. It is

of course possible [although highly unlikely] that he will make an

inaccurate statement in his field of expertise. It is very unlikely

that you will find anyone on this list or on many lists who will be

better informed on the mainstream scientific view of these matters. If

you want an alternative view you may well have to go elsewhere.

The iodine skin loading test is a total crock; and the urine loading

test is of dubious value. In a recent quote by one of the [in]famous

" iodine docs " who have promoted these loading tests I guess for decades

he stated that the skin loading test " is not sufficiently accurate " . He

also referred to the urine loading test as being unnecessary. Neither

of them have ever been shown to have sufficient correlation with _real_

tests results by real doctors to be of any health benefit whatsoever.

So now even quacks who have promoted them so long are starting to change

their minds; probably in part due to the fact that every credible source

points out their unreliability.

Luck,

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[Guest guest]

But you _still_ find plenty of quacks on the internet promoting the

iodine skin loading tests as well as the urine test. And that's not

altogether bad; because where you find this it shows you're dealing

either with hopeless ignorance or a con artist. Neither of which is

likely to be a good bet to trust with your health.

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:53 am (PDT)

>

>

> this is what is said on the iodine list--iodine patch test isn't

> accurate and it is not necessary to do an iodine test. I never did

> one! I figured out I needed 100mg Iodoral and ATP cofactors for iodine

> absorption on my own.

[Guest guest]

" Skin " loading? It's the skin patch test.

I hope you never find yourself in a position to

need iodine to save your life because I'm not sure

you'd use it.

Sam

>

> But you _still_ find plenty of quacks on the internet promoting the

> iodine skin loading tests as well as the urine test. And that's

not

> altogether bad; because where you find this it shows you're dealing

> either with hopeless ignorance or a con artist. Neither of which

is

> likely to be a good bet to trust with your health.

>

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Is%20it%20necessary%

20to%20have%20antibodies%20tested%20after%20starting%20treatme>

> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:53 am (PDT)

> >

> >

> > this is what is said on the iodine list--iodine patch test isn't

> > accurate and it is not necessary to do an iodine test. I never

did

> > one! I figured out I needed 100mg Iodoral and ATP cofactors for

iodine

> > absorption on my own.

>

[Guest guest]

Sam, Gracia recently posted a long article by one [i think] of the three

famous " iodine docs " . In that article he admitted that the skin loading

test is " not accurate enough " to use [actually a vast understatement];

and also recommended that the urine test not be used. However " good "

iodine may be [or may not be] for any number of illnesses the fact that

the iodine loading tests are a crock is very well supported.

Regards,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:05 am (PDT)

>

> Chuck, loading tests are not fraudulent.

>

> Sam

>

>

> > >

> > > Maybe you are wrong, there are many Hashimoto's with HypoT take

> iodine

> > > supplement after the loading test showed their iodine is of

> defficiency.

> >

> > The evidence that iodine can trigger or aggravate Hashimoto's

> thyroiditis is overwhelming, and has been for decades. The loading

> test is completely fraudulent. Dr. Gaby's explanation for why that is

> so, has been posted on this list many times.

> >

> > > I read about the iodine effects in medcial books, and it said

> that high

> > > iodine diet is harmful for Hashimoto's. but many on

> Messageboards/iodine

> > > Groups said that it is not true.

> > >

> > > Would you like to figure it out further?

> >

> > No, but I trust the conclusions of a peer reviewed, double blind

> study, published by professional researchers, more than I trust

> opinions on message boards, especially this one, no matter how

> emphatically or authoritatively they make their claims.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

[Guest guest]

Actually I have some in the bathroom right now, and I have used some of

it. Not like you do, of course.

Whether iodine is beneficial for some or even all of the things you

suggest is not the thrust of my post, which only addresses the validity

of the loading tests.

In any event, Gracia posted that the iodine loading [patch, whatever]

tests are not considered valid or necessary on one of the iodine lists.

She could probably tell you which one, as I did not really pay attention.

Regards,

..

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>

> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:07 pm (PDT)

>

> " Skin " loading? It's the skin patch test.

>

> I hope you never find yourself in a position to

> need iodine to save your life because I'm not sure

> you'd use it.

>

> Sam

>

>

> >

> > But you _still_ find plenty of quacks on the internet promoting the

> > iodine skin loading tests as well as the urine test. And that's

> not

> > altogether bad; because where you find this it shows you're dealing

> > either with hopeless ignorance or a con artist. Neither of which

> is

> > likely to be a good bet to trust with your health.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OH, I am really confused by all of you.

Fragrance

> > > >

> > > > If you have hashimoto's, you have antibodies against TPO

(thyroid

> > > > peroxidase)....

> > >

> > > Not necessarily. A person with Hashimoto's will likely also have

> > > antibodies to thyroglobuline (anti-Tg). Numerous studies in humans

and

> > > animals have shown a dose dependent acceleration of Hashimoto's by

> > > excess iodine intake. The mechanism for this is hypothesized that

the

> > > iodine is taken up by the globulin, making it an antigen.

> > >

> > > Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

And yet others say that for good health we should RAISE the acid level;

not lower it. See: VERMONT FOLK MEDICINE by Dr. D. C. Jarvis.

Personally, I don't know...

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> Posted by: " flatwoodfarms " marlum@...

>

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> flatwoodfarms <flatwoodfarms>

>

>

> Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:03 am (PDT)

>

> Is this true about our bodies' PH? And what part of the body are you

> measuring?

> I have read many who say this is not true - that our bodies are very

> capable of regulating acid/alkaline levels.

> I'd love to see evidence.

> Marla

>

>

>

> > LOW pH is probably the MOST SIGNIFICANT factor in ill health,

> because as

> > your acidity " goes high, " MEANING LOW pH, your immune system begins

> to

> > " lose " its functionality, and you become susceptible

> TO " opportunistic "

> > disease.

[Guest guest]

I think the les acidic we are, the better

sue

On 9/12/08 12:44 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> And yet others say that for good health we should RAISE the acid level;

> not lower it. See: VERMONT FOLK MEDICINE by Dr. D. C. Jarvis.

>

> Personally, I don't know...

>

>

> .