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Bonnie,

You wrote:

> ... I do hate Synthroid as I

> took it for years with no results of a positive nature.

How much were you taking, and where was your TSH?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

how did you feel on 120mg? your doc is making a huge mistake by lowering

meds based on TSH--can you educate him? you need to take enough Armour to feel

well and that is usually 180--300mg.

rapid heartbeat could be an adrenal symptom--it is not from " too much " Armour.

I think you should raise Armour and support adrenals.

Gracia

I am currently taking 90mg Armour Thyroid which was reduced from 120mg

from my endo due to the TSH result.

I have noticed in the past several months that I have been much more

nervous and irritable and in the last few days when I lay down I can

feel my heart beating rapidly which is new to me.

As I said in previous posts, I have much more energy and overall feel

better but these symptoms keep recurring. I do hate Synthroid as I

took it for years with no results of a positive nature.

I am leaving for vacation on Saturday for a week so when I return I

will make an appointment with him. In the mean time should I lower my

Armour or just wait. The rapid heart beat really scares me and

nothing has changed with my meds so I believe it has to do with Armour.

Please advise - Bonnie

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how does one support the adrenals?

Ali

On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:56 PM, Gracia wrote:

>

> how did you feel on 120mg? your doc is making a huge mistake by

> lowering meds based on TSH--can you educate him? you need to take

> enough Armour to feel well and that is usually 180--300mg.

> rapid heartbeat could be an adrenal symptom--it is not from " too

> much " Armour. I think you should raise Armour and support adrenals.

> Gracia

>

> I am currently taking 90mg Armour Thyroid which was reduced from 120mg

> from my endo due to the TSH result.

>

> I have noticed in the past several months that I have been much more

> nervous and irritable and in the last few days when I lay down I can

> feel my heart beating rapidly which is new to me.

>

> As I said in previous posts, I have much more energy and overall feel

> better but these symptoms keep recurring. I do hate Synthroid as I

> took it for years with no results of a positive nature.

>

> I am leaving for vacation on Saturday for a week so when I return I

> will make an appointment with him. In the mean time should I lower my

> Armour or just wait. The rapid heart beat really scares me and

> nothing has changed with my meds so I believe it has to do with

> Armour.

>

> Please advise - Bonnie

>

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With a rapid heartbeat it sounds like you are taking too much. You really

need to call your Doctor and tell him. I felt that way on 180 and I was

taking too much and it was lowered to 150 at that time and I felt better.

Do not listen to Gracia.

To feel better you do not need to take what she is reccomending. I felt

great at 120. We are not all the same. A rapid heartbeat is dangerous and

you need to tell your Doctor. I know that you like armour and hate

synthroid, but there are other thyroid drugs out there. You may have another

problem that is causing the rapid heartbeat, but as I said again, Call your

Doctor.

Betty

Re: I love Armour Thyroid - HOWEVER

>

> how did you feel on 120mg? your doc is making a huge mistake by

> lowering meds based on TSH--can you educate him? you need to take enough

> Armour to feel well and that is usually 180--300mg.

> rapid heartbeat could be an adrenal symptom--it is not from " too much "

> Armour. I think you should raise Armour and support adrenals.

> Gracia

>

> I am currently taking 90mg Armour Thyroid which was reduced from 120mg

> from my endo due to the TSH result.

>

> I have noticed in the past several months that I have been much more

> nervous and irritable and in the last few days when I lay down I can

> feel my heart beating rapidly which is new to me.

>

> As I said in previous posts, I have much more energy and overall feel

> better but these symptoms keep recurring. I do hate Synthroid as I

> took it for years with no results of a positive nature.

>

> I am leaving for vacation on Saturday for a week so when I return I

> will make an appointment with him. In the mean time should I lower my

> Armour or just wait. The rapid heart beat really scares me and

> nothing has changed with my meds so I believe it has to do with Armour.

>

> Please advise - Bonnie

>

>

>

>

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You can also take some magnesium- it help with the rapid heart beat while

your body is adjusting to the T1-3 in the Armour. I had the same problem and

once I started taking the magnesium- the rapid heart rate stopped and it

only happens to ME as I adjust to dosing increases. I still think you should

call your doc, but I just wanted to tell you my experience.

Nancie

-- Re: I love Armour Thyroid - HOWEVER

With a rapid heartbeat it sounds like you are taking too much. You really

need to call your Doctor and tell him. I felt that way on 180 and I was

taking too much and it was lowered to 150 at that time and I felt better.

Do not listen to Gracia.

To feel better you do not need to take what she is reccomending. I felt

great at 120. We are not all the same. A rapid heartbeat is dangerous and

you need to tell your Doctor. I know that you like armour and hate

synthroid, but there are other thyroid drugs out there. You may have another

problem that is causing the rapid heartbeat, but as I said again, Call your

Doctor.

Betty

Re: I love Armour Thyroid - HOWEVER

>

> how did you feel on 120mg? your doc is making a huge mistake by

> lowering meds based on TSH--can you educate him? you need to take enough

> Armour to feel well and that is usually 180--300mg.

> rapid heartbeat could be an adrenal symptom--it is not from " too much "

> Armour. I think you should raise Armour and support adrenals.

> Gracia

>

> I am currently taking 90mg Armour Thyroid which was reduced from 120mg

> from my endo due to the TSH result.

>

> I have noticed in the past several months that I have been much more

> nervous and irritable and in the last few days when I lay down I can

> feel my heart beating rapidly which is new to me.

>

> As I said in previous posts, I have much more energy and overall feel

> better but these symptoms keep recurring. I do hate Synthroid as I

> took it for years with no results of a positive nature.

>

> I am leaving for vacation on Saturday for a week so when I return I

> will make an appointment with him. In the mean time should I lower my

> Armour or just wait. The rapid heart beat really scares me and

> nothing has changed with my meds so I believe it has to do with Armour.

>

> Please advise - Bonnie

>

>

>

>

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Rapid heart beat could also mean adrenal fatigue. Look at www

stopthethyroidmadness.com

CW

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With a rapid heartbeat it sounds like you are taking too much. You really

need to call your Doctor and tell him. I felt that way on 180 and I was

taking too much and it was lowered to 150 at that time and I felt better.

Do not listen to Gracia.

To feel better you do not need to take what she is reccomending. I felt

great at 120. We are not all the same. A rapid heartbeat is dangerous and

you need to tell your Doctor. I know that you like armour and hate

synthroid, but there are other thyroid drugs out there. You may have another

problem that is causing the rapid heartbeat, but as I said again, Call your

Doctor.

Betty

Re: I love Armour Thyroid - HOWEVER

>

> how did you feel on 120mg? your doc is making a huge mistake by

> lowering meds based on TSH--can you educate him? you need to take enough

> Armour to feel well and that is usually 180--300mg.

> rapid heartbeat could be an adrenal symptom--it is not from " too much "

> Armour. I think you should raise Armour and support adrenals.

> Gracia

>

> I am currently taking 90mg Armour Thyroid which was reduced from 120mg

> from my endo due to the TSH result.

>

> I have noticed in the past several months that I have been much more

> nervous and irritable and in the last few days when I lay down I can

> feel my heart beating rapidly which is new to me.

>

> As I said in previous posts, I have much more energy and overall feel

> better but these symptoms keep recurring. I do hate Synthroid as I

> took it for years with no results of a positive nature.

>

> I am leaving for vacation on Saturday for a week so when I return I

> will make an appointment with him. In the mean time should I lower my

> Armour or just wait. The rapid heart beat really scares me and

> nothing has changed with my meds so I believe it has to do with Armour.

>

> Please advise - Bonnie

>

>

>

>

>

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if you do not want to listen to Gracia then check out

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

)

Gracia

With a rapid heartbeat it sounds like you are taking too much. You really

need to call your Doctor and tell him. I felt that way on 180 and I was

taking too much and it was lowered to 150 at that time and I felt better.

Do not listen to Gracia.

To feel better you do not need to take what she is reccomending. I felt

great at 120. We are not all the same. A rapid heartbeat is dangerous and

you need to tell your Doctor. I know that you like armour and hate

synthroid, but there are other thyroid drugs out there. You may have another

problem that is causing the rapid heartbeat, but as I said again, Call your

Doctor.

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Which is a " blog " also done by a non medical individual .... and not by a

professtional in the medical/holitisic/alterantive fields of medicine.

Dusty

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if you do not want to listen to Gracia then check out

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)

Gracia

With a rapid heartbeat it sounds like you are taking too much. You really

need to call your Doctor and tell him. I felt that way on 180 and I was

taking too much and it was lowered to 150 at that time and I felt better.

Do not listen to Gracia.

To feel better you do not need to take what she is reccomending. I felt

great at 120. We are not all the same. A rapid heartbeat is dangerous and

you need to tell your Doctor. I know that you like armour and hate

synthroid, but there are other thyroid drugs out there. You may have

another

problem that is causing the rapid heartbeat, but as I said again, Call

your

Doctor.

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On the other hand as we have learned here that there are a lot of idiot

doctors who know less than the owner of STTM. Just because you don't have a

college degree doesn't mean you cannot have knowledge and more knowledge

than a MD.

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)

Gracia

With a rapid heartbeat it sounds like you are taking too much. You really

need to call your Doctor and tell him. I felt that way on 180 and I was

taking too much and it was lowered to 150 at that time and I felt better.

Do not listen to Gracia.

To feel better you do not need to take what she is reccomending. I felt

great at 120. We are not all the same. A rapid heartbeat is dangerous and

you need to tell your Doctor. I know that you like armour and hate

synthroid, but there are other thyroid drugs out there. You may have

another

problem that is causing the rapid heartbeat, but as I said again, Call

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it's really true that patients together on the internet can and will demand

proper treatment, once it becomes obvioous what proper treatment is and how much

better it works. There is a petition now circulating in England--maybe i can

post it here.

Gracia

On the other hand as we have learned here that there are a lot of idiot

doctors who know less than the owner of STTM. Just because you don't have a

college degree doesn't mean you cannot have knowledge and more knowledge

than a MD.

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I have given up on mainstream doctors. I am now seeing a naturopath.

She put me on JUST T3 instead of what the iodiot doctor did by putting

me on T4 and T3 for Rt3. I am taking HC, Zypan for digestion, which

can be a problem for hypoT people. Five days on just T3 and I can tell

a big difference. I have more energy, my face is getting is getting

more definition and the depression, I suppose because I am seeing

results, is melting away.

She is a naturopathic MD and she agrees with much of what I have

brought forth to her regarding what we talk about in our groups. SO,

I think this is the first week of a better quality of life for me. I

am keeping my fingers crossed as I know there can be setbacks and

reactions. I am encouraged though at this point.

Venizia

>

>

> it's really true that patients together on the internet can and

will demand proper treatment, once it becomes obvioous what proper

treatment is and how much better it works. There is a petition now

circulating in England--maybe i can post it here.

> Gracia

>

> On the other hand as we have learned here that there are a lot of

idiot

> doctors who know less than the owner of STTM. Just because you

don't have a

> college degree doesn't mean you cannot have knowledge and more

knowledge

> than a MD.

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Actually I don't believe that I have learned that there are a " Lot of idiot

doctors " out there from this list. And..... actually, I don't believe I

mentioned college degrees, knowledge or " more knowledge than a doc " . I was

(and am) advising the previous poster that the individual who writes the

site isn't trained in the medical field..... period. His/her experience in

medicine is based on his/her own genetics, body chemistry and chemical,

nutritional tolerances. While it may ( or may not) be an interesting read,

it isn't a site which is backed up by scientific research etc... it is

instead nothing more than a " blog " .

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)

Gracia

With a rapid heartbeat it sounds like you are taking too much. You really

need to call your Doctor and tell him. I felt that way on 180 and I was

taking too much and it was lowered to 150 at that time and I felt better.

Do not listen to Gracia.

To feel better you do not need to take what she is reccomending. I felt

great at 120. We are not all the same. A rapid heartbeat is dangerous and

you need to tell your Doctor. I know that you like armour and hate

synthroid, but there are other thyroid drugs out there. You may have another

problem that is causing the rapid heartbeat, but as I said again, Call your

Doctor.

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I'm on just T3, now up to 50mcg per day, and don't think I can feel

much worse.

Day goes by in a fog of ache and drowsiness and feeling ill.

Stomach constantly aches, intestines ache, back and legs are stiff and

ache when I move from sitting to standing and bending. Back aches when

I wake up. Feet are killing me when I go out so I can't wait to get

back home and sit down.

I feel like an 80-year-old.

Notice a change in my eyes for the first time, on some recent photos.

Thought medication was supposed to prevent/stop/reverse this.

Seems as though nothing I do will ever make a bean of difference to

feeling unutterably CRAP.

What is the point of even bothering with medication? Can't be that

much worse to experience the whole body shutting down.

And at least that has an end-to-it date.

WHO gives a shit, no one paid for professional services that for

certain. WHY is that? Where is professional honour? I look after my

customers, when I can scrape an hour to perform my work. I have the

brain to check and really check that everything is as it should be and

highly satisfactory to those paying me. What is different with

certificated services?

Even the doctor I am now personally paying is asking ME what I think I

should be medicated with. Did I want to be treated on T3 alone or did

I think I wanted Armour. HOW THE FUCK DO I KNOW. IF I KNEW I WOULD PAY

MYSELF TO TREAT ME.

Apparently I am an enigma. I guess that's shorthand for 'You ain't

ever going to get well on my watch'.

> >

> >

> > it's really true that patients together on the internet can and

> will demand proper treatment, once it becomes obvioous what proper

> treatment is and how much better it works. There is a petition now

> circulating in England--maybe i can post it here.

> > Gracia

> >

> > On the other hand as we have learned here that there are a lot of

> idiot

> > doctors who know less than the owner of STTM. Just because you

> don't have a

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> knowledge

> > than a MD.

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You can find any number of people to tell you they're either smarter or

more educated than someone who graduated from college. But a doctor

didn't just graduate from college with a BA, she/he has a PhD. And that

PhD is in the " hard " sciences; not the simplistic humanities or

similar. In most cases it's impossible to not flunk out of medical

school unless you're fairly bright.

And it's quite possible for someone with no formal education to be

" smarter " than someone with a PhD. But it's still very likely that the

person with the hard science PhD will have TONS more knowledge than the

average person with no degree. Not to negate that there are exceptions.

Incidentally, my highest degree was high school...

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20I%20love%20Armour%20Thyroid%20-%\

20HOWEVER>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:35 pm (PDT)

>

> On the other hand as we have learned here that there are a lot of idiot

> doctors who know less than the owner of STTM. Just because you don't

> have a

> college degree doesn't mean you cannot have knowledge and more knowledge

> than a MD.

> CW

>

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>

> Which is a " blog " also done by a non medical individual .... and not by a

> professtional in the medical/holitisic/alterantive fields of medicine.

>

> Dusty

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Janie has a masters in education. She is the one who runs that web site. All

her " medical " knowledge comes from anecdotal experiences and from reading up

on the thyroid.

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)

Gracia

With a rapid heartbeat it sounds like you are taking too much. You really

need to call your Doctor and tell him. I felt that way on 180 and I was

taking too much and it was lowered to 150 at that time and I felt better.

Do not listen to Gracia.

To feel better you do not need to take what she is reccomending. I felt

great at 120. We are not all the same. A rapid heartbeat is dangerous and

you need to tell your Doctor. I know that you like armour and hate

synthroid, but there are other thyroid drugs out there. You may have another

problem that is causing the rapid heartbeat, but as I said again, Call your

Doctor.

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But how would one get around that?

If, say, I was to up to 60mcg and took 40 morning and 20 afternoon,

how would that pan out for a dosage?

Unless I took 60 morning and 60 afternoon how would I receive a

therapeutic amount to serve my health issues.

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue,

> >

> > You asked,

> >

> >> > Why is it an advantage that too much t3 goes away in a hurry?

> >

> > If you overdose on T4, it could take a week or more before you get

back

> > to the euthyroid range. During that week, you are exposed to the

hazards

> > of hyperT. With T3, the same change takes about a day. If you over do

> > it, it does not take long to correct.

> >

> > Chuck

>

>

>

>

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Perhaps it is worth me asking to trial Armour next visit.

> >

> > But how would one get around that?

> >

> > If, say, I was to up to 60mcg and took 40 morning and 20 afternoon,

> > how would that pan out for a dosage?

>

> Although the blood levels of T3 have a half life of about a day, the

> effects do not follow an exponential decay, and they linger after

the T3

> level drops. I remember many on this list who do not split T3 type

> medications, taking it all at once, one time per day, with no

noticeable

> variation in benefit. If you do notice a late in the day drop off, the

> split does not have to be even. The T4 in Armour will also help even

> things out, since T4-T3 conversion contributes a relatively steady

> supply of T3 on top of what is taken in directly.

>

> Chuck

>

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I so glad to hear you're doing better. I must admit the trials that

you've gone through are depressing to me too.

Best,

>

> Posted by: " venizia1948 " nelsonck@...

>

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>

>

> Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:07 am (PDT)

>

> I have given up on mainstream doctors. I am now seeing a naturopath.

> She put me on JUST T3 instead of what the iodiot doctor did by putting

> me on T4 and T3 for Rt3. I am taking HC, Zypan for digestion, which

> can be a problem for hypoT people. Five days on just T3 and I can tell

> a big difference. I have more energy, my face is getting is getting

> more definition and the depression, I suppose because I am seeing

> results, is melting away.

>

> She is a naturopathic MD and she agrees with much of what I have

> brought forth to her regarding what we talk about in our groups. SO,

> I think this is the first week of a better quality of life for me. I

> am keeping my fingers crossed as I know there can be setbacks and

> reactions. I am encouraged though at this point.

>

> Venizia

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No idea about the adrenals. Never get mentioned over here. Just that

thyroxine made me feel worse than rotten.

Finally found a private consultant and he put me in t3 then 2nd visit

said to raise 10mcg every three weeks to 50mcg and come back in Sept.

Immediately had consistent depression (as opposed to varying depth of

frequent but not perpetual depression on thyroxine) which I worked out

became relieved to some extent by HRT (half a smallest dose tablet

each night) plus I added a couple of kelp tablets which seemed to make

me a little more clear headed the next day after the HRT artificially

calmed my brain, but could be coincidence).

Now as I go up the doses (am 50mcg)I feel more and more depleted,

tired, and generally depressed and aching. I understand that some

measure of detoxing could be going on and I used to have back ache and

feet ache before I plummeted into thyroid disease, so perhaps layers

of this thing are being peeled back and I am regressing to older

problems as my thyroid stuff is repairing....who knows.

The pharmacist, this evening, suggested I get anti-depressants and cb

therapy, but frankly how would I know my thyroid stuff was getting

better if the depressive element is purposefully being suppressed?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Perhaps it is worth me asking to trial Armour next visit.

>

> To me, that would depend on your condition. If you were on Cytomel

for a

> conversion problem, adding T4 might cause more problems than it

fixes. I

> don't recall the reason for your current prescription. Was it

> conversion? Is there adrenal involvement?

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

At the very least I can tell you that people here care. That may not be

a whole lot of value, but please don't feel that no one cares. Your

post is heart rending, especially for those of us with no good medical

advice to give. I just don't know what to tell you.

The only thing I can suggest is that you probably DO need to continue to

take thyroid hormones [even though they don't seem to be helping you to

feel well] in order to prevent organ damage. But I don't even know if

that's valid, given your symptoms.

You may need to change doctors; however, your present one at least seems

to be willing to consider none standard practices and to listen to you.

Sometimes you don't find even that.

Posts like yours are one of the reasons I try to discourage new hypo

patients from foregoing standard treatment in favor of treating with

vitamins and supplements alone. There is at least some anecdotal

evidence that lack of treatment for extended periods can create or

contribute to the situation in which standard treatment fails to provide

relief. However, I know of no credible studies to support such an idea.

If you should consider methods such as those suggested by Gracia MOL in

desperation please be aware that there is credible evidence that large

doses that she takes of iodine can be harmful; maybe even fatal. So if

you decide in desperation to try something like that I strongly

recommend starting low and increasing slowly. The same would apply to

many substances.

Best,

> Re: I love Armour Thyroid - HOWEVER

>

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>

> Posted by: " lmneedham " lmneedham@...

>

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> lmneedham <lmneedham>

>

>

> Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:27 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> I'm on just T3, now up to 50mcg per day, and don't think I can feel

> much worse.

>

> Day goes by in a fog of ache and drowsiness and feeling ill.

>

> Stomach constantly aches, intestines ache, back and legs are stiff and

> ache when I move from sitting to standing and bending. Back aches when

> I wake up. Feet are killing me when I go out so I can't wait to get

> back home and sit down.

>

> I feel like an 80-year-old.

>

> Notice a change in my eyes for the first time, on some recent photos.

> Thought medication was supposed to prevent/stop/

> reverse this.

>

> Seems as though nothing I do will ever make a bean of difference to

> feeling unutterably CRAP.

>

> What is the point of even bothering with medication? Can't be that

> much worse to experience the whole body shutting down.

>

> And at least that has an end-to-it date.

>

> WHO gives a shit, no one paid for professional services that for

> certain. WHY is that? Where is professional honour? I look after my

> customers, when I can scrape an hour to perform my work. I have the

> brain to check and really check that everything is as it should be and

> highly satisfactory to those paying me. What is different with

> certificated services?

>

> Even the doctor I am now personally paying is asking ME what I think I

> should be medicated with. Did I want to be treated on T3 alone or did

> I think I wanted Armour. HOW THE FUCK DO I KNOW. IF I KNEW I WOULD PAY

> MYSELF TO TREAT ME.

>

> Apparently I am an enigma. I guess that's shorthand for 'You ain't

> ever going to get well on my watch'.

[Guest guest]

My mistake. I guess the teaching doctors at universities are more

likely to have PhD's? In any event, from what I've read the coursework

is grueling indeed.

>

> Re: I love Armour Thyroid - HOWEVER

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>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:44 pm (PDT)

>

> -

> Actually physicians don't get PhD's on a regular basis. Most physicians

> graduate with a degree in medicine. That is after 4 years of college and

> then 4 more years of medical school. In order to get a PhD, one has to

> complete extra course work and perform a oral and written dissertation

> along

> with the regular medical school requirements.

[Guest guest]

I agree that even specialists don't know it all. Moreover, given the

variables practicing medicine will IMHO for a very long time remain part

art and part science.

The big advantage that a doctor has over me and you when it comes to

treating hypothyroidism [or anything else] is a much greater depth of

knowledge in physiology, biology, anatomy, chemistry and so on. And

that assumes that I would have learned much about it on the lay level,

which actually I have not but you may have. Plus for the most part

their IQ's will rank in the top 50 percentile IMHO. Therefore to refer

to them as " idiots " or " ignorant " or " dumb " on a wholesale basis by

those of us who cannot hope to match their knowledge level and possibly

their IQ level appears a little foolish.

At the same time I suspect we've all encountered " educated idiots " from

time to time! [ggg]

>

> Re: I love Armour Thyroid - HOWEVER

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>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

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> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:56 pm (PDT)

>

> Maybe we agreeing here, but JIC we 'aint,' I'm saying that a person

> who goes

> to medical school may not know as much about thyroid issues as some do on

> this and other groups. Medical school does provide a wide array of hard

> sciences therefore, it may be that they need to learn specifically

> about the

> heart or the liver before they can know it all around. A lot of people on

> this board can learn about the thyroid or the heart or the liver and know

> just as much or more than any medical doctor does about that body

> part. I'm

> just saying that medical school doesn't mean know it all.

> Crystal

> BA Criminal Justice

> More importantly, mother of 5

[Guest guest]

Janie first came on the thyroid support group and I was one of the few who

first advised her.

and I know I know what I'm talking about

Gracia

Janie has a masters in education. She is the one who runs that web site. All

her " medical " knowledge comes from anecdotal experiences and from reading up

on the thyroid.

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Up to 100mcg.

No set idea of how many times I was to go back for blood tests, which

anyway were typically within range so I was told I didn't need to see

the doctor. I probably got a blood test every couple of years when I

remembered to. I don't like to go too often in case I am thought a

nuisance and sent for psychiatry as the tests are fine.

To be frank, like a lot of people with this, my quality of life is

virtually nil.

I recently tried up to 100mcg thyroxine with my new dosage of 20mcg T3

and had three separate episode where I felt I was about to have a

heart attack if I continued.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > No idea about the adrenals. Never get mentioned over here. Just that

> > thyroxine made me feel worse than rotten....

>

> How much levothyroxine?

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know what he is saying, all I get is to have blood taken then

the receptionist a week later says I don't need to see the doctor as

everything is fine. That's it.

> >

> > Up to 100mcg.

>

> First this is a fairly low dose for a woman. In my family, all three

> hypoT women needed 200 mcg, and they are not large people. This amount

> might be adequate for a smaller male. However, you said you had

taken 50

> mcg of T3, which is equivalent to 200 mcg of T4. Do you think that is a

> fair comparison?

>

> Then, you take 100 mcg of T4 in combination with 20 mcg of T3, which is

> a total equivalence to 180 mcg. Not surprisingly, this made you hyperT.

> You seem to have suffered a " shotgun " approach to dosing. Guess too

low;

> then guess too high.

>

> The euthyroid state is in a rather narrow dosage window, so one

> effective way to use these medications is to carefully titrate the

dose.

> If you are taking T4 only, the TSH should be below about 2 or, better

> yet, you should be measuring FT3. If T3 medication is in the mix, TSH

> should be even lower. If your doctor is telling you your blood work is

> fine with a TSH higher than this, you need a new doctor, rather than a

> psychiatrist.

>

> Chuck

>