ReVia

January 28, 2004

I had a look at the LDN website, and it says there,

some pharmacies use naltrexone powder and some crush the 50 mg tabs to make 4.5 mg capsules.

When the website editor returns from his holiday I will e-mail him

to clarify this.

My understanding is the 50 mg tabs are just that... 50 mg tabs. No filler.

Any pharmacists out there????

My Dad is taking this for cancer, It is VERY important he gets the proper dose.

Thanks

in Australia.

January 28, 2004

Larry,

I get what you are saying.

I am guessing the pharmacist would be aware if this?

Also I am wondering if you have a 50 mg tab and you weigh it and it weighs 50 mg then it would be O.K. to just crush it up and make 4.5 mg caps.

I am hoping this is the case for my Dad.

Does anyone know if a 50mg tab weighs 50mg?

We cannot get the naltrexone powder here in Australia,

so this is why it is important I find this out once and for all.

THANKS!!!

----- Original Message -----

From: LarryGC

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:11 AM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Revia

WHAT are you talking about?

I was SIMPLY pointing out that a 50 MG pill of ReVia is not equivalent to 50 MG of naltrexone powder.

IN other words, I wouldn't want someone crushing up the pill and just taking 3MG of it. If they did, they would NOT be getting 3 MG of Naltrexone, they would be getting 3 MG of filler+naltrexone.

It's something to be aware of. Wasn't a challenge, wasn't a comparison, was simple Mathematics. Something to be AWARE of if you're using 50 MG ReVia tablets, vs. getting naltrexone powder in bulk. Naltrexone powder can be mixed with filler in caps, or not. ReVia HAS Filler IN it, that's the point.

You see to have totally missed my point. Your rant had NOTHING to do with what I was saying, at all.

----- Original Message -----

From: I AM CANADIAN

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 15:57

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Revia

Larry I don’t understand why you replied to my thread with this selecting my last excerpt which had nothing to do with mixing with liquid etc… Also there are several in countries that can’t get powder form taking it that way successfully so it must work for some when there is no other choice no need to be a killjoy. It may not be as good as getting it with pure powder but in places such as Brazil where a member of MS Friends is located her only hope is to crush a pill right now and that’s better than no Naltrexone right? Right. This reply of mine you have replied to was to a person whose pharmacy is using ReVia to fill her prescription. I’d really like it if a doctor joined this thread and a compounding pharmacist so we could get actual medical views instead of say so views… I’m not saying this to be mean but I am kind of tired of seeing so and so says this well so and so says this it’s like there are separate camps with their own views that they try to put above another’s views instead of just getting along and enjoying the fact that in whatever way we each take it it works for us. So for some they take it with distilled water and it works. For some their compounders can only get ReVia pills that they crush and it works fine for them. For some they do it as per Bihari’s prescription. For some Lawrence. For some their own beliefs made from what many many people do and what works for them. Another thing that gets me is when people meet someone interested in the drug and the person practically speaks as though they have a medical degree telling them what specific dosage they should take instead of saying here join this group and this group learn from others and decide what you feel more comfortable with… and here are some info sites and doctors to talk to. Go and do your own research and decide for yourself… I wish people would be less biased and allow for others to make their own way without trying to belittle them etc… it’s almost as though Bihari is Catholicism and Lawrence is Protestantism… the two have a uniting belief but different ways of practicing and then there are non worshippers to specific beliefs like Bihari and Lawrence who do their own thing taking the best of the advice out there and making it work for them in their own ways… but main stream no no’s them…

Okay my rant is over…. Sorry but I still don’t get this response to the thread at the point it is at.

From: LarryGC [mailto:larrygc@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:52 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Revia

Just can't crush up a pill and take 3 or 4.5 MG of the powder, you have to measure how much powder you have then take .06 or .09 of whatever you have. If it's 200 MG total, then you'd take 12 MG or 18 MG of the powder per day.

I guess making it liquid with 50 ML would match the 50 MG naltrexone, but you'd have 150 or so MG of filler in the mixture too.

So that's the difference between getting pure bulk naltrexone powder, and the 50 MG pills which is made with filler already.

January 29, 2004

Think of what you're saying Larry, If there is 50mg of naltrexone in

a 50mg tablet, then crushing it and taking out 4.5mg, you are going

to get 4.5mg of naltrexone...whether there is filler or not!!!!!

Right n?

2 cents, Sally

--- In low dose naltrexone , " LarryGC " <larrygc@s...>

wrote:

> WHAT are you talking about?

>

> I was SIMPLY pointing out that a 50 MG pill of ReVia is not

equivalent to 50 MG of naltrexone powder.

>

> IN other words, I wouldn't want someone crushing up the pill and

just taking 3MG of it. If they did, they would NOT be getting 3 MG

of Naltrexone, they would be getting 3 MG of filler+naltrexone.

>

> It's something to be aware of. Wasn't a challenge, wasn't a

comparison, was simple Mathematics. Something to be AWARE of if

you're using 50 MG ReVia tablets, vs. getting naltrexone powder in

bulk. Naltrexone powder can be mixed with filler in caps, or not.

ReVia HAS Filler IN it, that's the point.

>

> You see to have totally missed my point. Your rant had NOTHING to

do with what I was saying, at all.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: I AM CANADIAN

> low dose naltrexone

> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 15:57

> Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Revia

>

> Larry I don't understand why you replied to my thread with this

selecting my last excerpt which had nothing to do with mixing with

liquid etc. Also there are several in countries that can't get

powder form taking it that way successfully so it must work for some

when there is no other choice no need to be a killjoy. It may not be

as good as getting it with pure powder but in places such as Brazil

where a member of MS Friends is located her only hope is to crush a

pill right now and that's better than no Naltrexone right? Right.

This reply of mine you have replied to was to a person whose

pharmacy is using ReVia to fill her prescription. I'd really like it

if a doctor joined this thread and a compounding pharmacist so we

could get actual medical views instead of say so views. I'm not

saying this to be mean but I am kind of tired of seeing so and so

says this well so and so says this it's like there are separate

camps with their own views that they try to put above another's

views instead of just getting along and enjoying the fact that in

whatever way we each take it it works for us. So for some they take

it with distilled water and it works. For some their compounders can

only get ReVia pills that they crush and it works fine for them. For

some they do it as per Bihari's prescription. For some Lawrence. For

some their own beliefs made from what many many people do and what

works for them. Another thing that gets me is when people meet

someone interested in the drug and the person practically speaks as

though they have a medical degree telling them what specific dosage

they should take instead of saying here join this group and this

group learn from others and decide what you feel more comfortable

with. and here are some info sites and doctors to talk to. Go and do

your own research and decide for yourself. I wish people would be

less biased and allow for others to make their own way without

trying to belittle them etc. it's almost as though Bihari is

Catholicism and Lawrence is Protestantism. the two have a uniting

belief but different ways of practicing and then there are non

worshippers to specific beliefs like Bihari and Lawrence who do

their own thing taking the best of the advice out there and making

it work for them in their own ways. but main stream no no's them.

>

> Okay my rant is over.. Sorry but I still don't get this response

to the thread at the point it is at.

>

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

> From: LarryGC [mailto:larrygc@s...]

> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:52 PM

> low dose naltrexone

> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Revia

>

> Just can't crush up a pill and take 3 or 4.5 MG of the powder,

you have to measure how much powder you have then take .06 or .09 of

whatever you have. If it's 200 MG total, then you'd take 12 MG or

18 MG of the powder per day.

January 29, 2004

Sal, I don't get what you're saying, hon. If there's 50 mg of naltrexone in

a tablet along with who knows how many mgs of something else in that tablet,

then how do you know that the 4.5 mg you remove in any given sample is

naltrexone? How do you know it isn't the something else? Or some unknown

combination of quantities of naltrexone and the something else?

Galoux

> Think of what you're saying Larry, If there is 50mg of naltrexone in

> a 50mg tablet, then crushing it and taking out 4.5mg, you are going

> to get 4.5mg of naltrexone...whether there is filler or not!!!!!

>

> Right n?

>

> 2 cents, Sally

>

> > WHAT are you talking about?

> >

> > I was SIMPLY pointing out that a 50 MG pill of ReVia is not

> equivalent to 50 MG of naltrexone powder.

> >

> > IN other words, I wouldn't want someone crushing up the pill and

> just taking 3MG of it. If they did, they would NOT be getting 3 MG

> of Naltrexone, they would be getting 3 MG of filler+naltrexone.

> >

> > It's something to be aware of. Wasn't a challenge, wasn't a

> comparison, was simple Mathematics. Something to be AWARE of if

> you're using 50 MG ReVia tablets, vs. getting naltrexone powder in

> bulk. Naltrexone powder can be mixed with filler in caps, or not.

> ReVia HAS Filler IN it, that's the point.

> >

> > You see to have totally missed my point. Your rant had NOTHING to

> do with what I was saying, at all.

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: I AM CANADIAN

> > low dose naltrexone

> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 15:57

> > Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Revia

> >

> > Larry I don't understand why you replied to my thread with this

> selecting my last excerpt which had nothing to do with mixing with

> liquid etc. Also there are several in countries that can't get

> powder form taking it that way successfully so it must work for some

> when there is no other choice no need to be a killjoy. It may not be

> as good as getting it with pure powder but in places such as Brazil

> where a member of MS Friends is located her only hope is to crush a

> pill right now and that's better than no Naltrexone right? Right.

> This reply of mine you have replied to was to a person whose

> pharmacy is using ReVia to fill her prescription. I'd really like it

> if a doctor joined this thread and a compounding pharmacist so we

> could get actual medical views instead of say so views. I'm not

> saying this to be mean but I am kind of tired of seeing so and so

> says this well so and so says this it's like there are separate

> camps with their own views that they try to put above another's

> views instead of just getting along and enjoying the fact that in

> whatever way we each take it it works for us. So for some they take

> it with distilled water and it works. For some their compounders can

> only get ReVia pills that they crush and it works fine for them. For

> some they do it as per Bihari's prescription. For some Lawrence. For

> some their own beliefs made from what many many people do and what

> works for them. Another thing that gets me is when people meet

> someone interested in the drug and the person practically speaks as

> though they have a medical degree telling them what specific dosage

> they should take instead of saying here join this group and this

> group learn from others and decide what you feel more comfortable

> with. and here are some info sites and doctors to talk to. Go and do

> your own research and decide for yourself. I wish people would be

> less biased and allow for others to make their own way without

> trying to belittle them etc. it's almost as though Bihari is

> Catholicism and Lawrence is Protestantism. the two have a uniting

> belief but different ways of practicing and then there are non

> worshippers to specific beliefs like Bihari and Lawrence who do

> their own thing taking the best of the advice out there and making

> it work for them in their own ways. but main stream no no's them.

> >

> > Okay my rant is over.. Sorry but I still don't get this response

> to the thread at the point it is at.

> >

> > -------------------------------------------------------------------

> -----------

> >

> > From: LarryGC [mailto:larrygc@s...]

> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:52 PM

> > low dose naltrexone

> > Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Revia

> >

> > Just can't crush up a pill and take 3 or 4.5 MG of the powder,

> you have to measure how much powder you have then take .06 or .09 of

> whatever you have. If it's 200 MG total, then you'd take 12 MG or

> 18 MG of the powder per day.

>

January 29, 2004

Thank you.

I appreciate your realistic outlook re what you're getting from LDN.

My wife has a blood cancer called Multiple Myeloma.

A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones. Proverbs 17:22 Don Schultz (no medical training, and not terribly bright)Near Joliet IL. Husband and Caregiver to Barb Schultz, born '49Dx'd June/01; IgA Kappa @5,880, B2M 7.8, Radiation to L3, Aredia 6X now Zometa monthly, 100mg Thal daily & 40mgX4days pulsed Dex thru Dec '01 when failed; Mar-Jun/02 2 rounds VAD no effect & 2 rounds DTPACE modest effect; autoSCT July/02 full remission in Sep/02. Interferon maint' Aug/02 to Jan 03; Jan 03 IgA climbing; Feb 03 Hi dose Dex Failed, Velcade Phase3 trial Mar/03, IgA down 99% after 2 cycles, After 8 cycles of phase3 trial IgA below normal. Dec/03 now in 2nd Continuation phase, M-spike 0.1 and still going down!, 1 liter saline minimizing fluish side effects. Taking DFCI supplement regimen to minimize Velcade PN.Blessed be the Lord, who daily loads us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah (pause, consider this) Psalms 68:19http://www.healthtalk.com/multiplemyeloma/diseasebasics.cfmhttp://www.labtestsonline.org/http://www.myeloma.org/http://www.multiplemyeloma.org/

-----Original Message-----From: pete/lisa [mailto:petelisa@...]Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:34 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] ReVia

Hi Don,

My Dad has had his kidney removed due to Renal Cell Carcinoma. That was in April 03.

Kidney cancer is chemoresistant so there is no follow-up for RCC patients, just watch and wait

(and pray for clear scans).

He has been in remission now for 10 months, and appears very healthy.

He started the LDN in June 03.(4.5mg.......I hope !)

Of course we have no idea if it is the LDN that is keeping him in remission

or his own immune system.

I would love to think the LDN is helping and that in 30 years time we will all marvel

that we were the early believers in it!

Just let me know if you have any questions.

in Australia.

----- Original Message -----

From: Don Schultz

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:15 AM

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] ReVia

,

Can you fill us in re your dad's cancer? What kind? Has he started LDN yet?

Thanks

Don Schultz

-----Original Message-----From: pete/lisa [mailto:petelisa@...]Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:46 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] ReVia

I had a look at the LDN website, and it says there,

some pharmacies use naltrexone powder and some crush the 50 mg tabs to make 4.5 mg capsules.

When the website editor returns from his holiday I will e-mail him

to clarify this.

My understanding is the 50 mg tabs are just that... 50 mg tabs. No filler.

Any pharmacists out there????

My Dad is taking this for cancer, It is VERY important he gets the proper dose.

Thanks

in Australia.

January 29, 2004

No, because the tablet contains 50 mg of naltrexone but the tablet weighs

more than 50 mg.

Noland

----- Original Message -----

From: " Sally " <salpal@...>

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:28 PM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Revia