venting my pill issues (sorry)

[Guest guest]

,

You bring up a very good point that has me thinking once again on my views of

quality verses quantity of life.

For more years than I care to say I have worked in the nursing homes so I see

the effects of this very thing daily and it leaves me puzzled on my own true

beliefs.

On the one hand like you say I would have surgery done and start taking

medications to prolong my life and yet.................

On the other hand were do you draw the line to say ok enough is enough and

this is no longer natural and my quality of life just is not worth all this I am

putting my body through Unnaturally.

I am by no means a naturalist but I do believe that there are great gains in

becoming more natural based if that makes sense.

Like on this medication thing I am wrestling with. I have never been one to

take medications routinely. I just have this thing that if a medication does not

make me feel better in a short period of time what is the point in taking it?

I have been told in the past I have this thyroid problem so I take the meds

for a few months feel no different even tho the blood work comes back better

which causes me to believe it is a waste of time and money to keep going to the

doc and taking meds so.......................

I stop taking the medication the only difference I am really noticing now is

the outside of my neck is sore all the time and I have developed a few very

small nodes on the left of my neck.

I am left to wonder if I had not taken the medication to begin with would this

have gotten worse on its own. Or did by my taking the meds for a short times

just encourage the symptoms to occur faster? Now I am wrestling with the idea

that how bad and how soon will it get and is it really worth being stuck on

pills just to feel quote good and normal.

The other reason I am fighting the pill thing so much is even yet more stupid

really but I see it as a sign I am getting old once you start taking pills for

one thing then you invariably need more to off set the side effects the first

one caused and you get stuck in a pill war.

I do not want to live my life according to a handful of pills. Yet if I do not

take meds then I have no room to complain on my health right?

Just wondering if anyone else feels like I do on this issue?

<res075oh@...> wrote:

Some people worship nature; but not truly nature but an idealized

image

of it. Nothing is more natural than to die when you become very ill.

And sooner or later we all will. And almost without fail we will all do

just about anything possible to stave off this " natural " process as long

as possible. It's really very " unnatural " to have a surgeon cut you

open and remove your ruptured appendix, but most of us with that

condition will agree to this totally unnatural procedure. As well as

many others in similar situations...

> Re: drug companies

>

<hypothyroidism/message/37313;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMzltcHE\

5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzczMTMEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzQ3OTcwNQ-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " amygreen53 " amygreen53@...

> <mailto:amygreen53@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20drug%20companies>

> amygreen53 <amygreen53>

>

>

> Sat Apr 5, 2008 7:58 am (PDT)

>

> Good question -- and one I used to ask before I was hit with the

> menopause from hell. I have always believed in natural medicine --

> supplements and healthy eating. I have steered clear of allopathic

> medicine whenever possible and I've been very healthy. So, I figured

> I would just age naturally and gracefully. LOL! Menopause hit with a

> vengence -- panic attacks, inability to sleep at all, soaking hot

> flashes, weak muscles, emotions on the raw, feeling dizzy faint -- you

> name it! Estrogen and progesterone (bioidentical of course) gave me

> back my life.

>

> I have friends who've sailed though menopause with no help -- they're

> lucky. I have friends who need only herbal support to get through --

> they're lucky too. For me, my choice is simple -- take hormones or I

> cannot function. Amy

>

> -- In hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " Crystal "

> <sweetnwright@

> ...> wrote:

> >

> > Why take hormones? Isn't it natural to decrease in hormones? Why

> replace

> > them?

> > cw

---------------------------------

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-

however you choose to treat your thyroid is your decision. the natural thyroid

medicines that we all advocate are natural based as opposed to the thyroid

medicine that is made from all chemicals aka synthroid. The natural ones like .

armour, and the others have all the thyroid hormones in them T1-4, whereas

synthroid and the other T4 only medications have only one hormone T4 in them.

many people do fine on T4 only medications, but there are many more people who

do not do better on them especially if you are one of the persons who do not

convert T4 to T 3.

if you don take some form of thyroid replacement and/or acupuncture you will

only get sicker and feel lousier.

they thyroid is called the master gland because it controls all the other organs

in the body and a poorly functioning organ will eventually affect all the other

organs and organ systems in the body which has the capacity to kill you. then

the quality of life issue will be mute.

you may also have a dual problem, where both your adrenals and your thyroid may

be out of sync. have you done a 24 hour urine or salvia test to see if your

adrenals are ill? have you ever gotten blood work that measures your vitamin and

mineral content in your body? because you might also be deficient somewhere.,

which can also add to not feeling good.

I know your husband would love to have you around for many more years and so

would we here.

peace,

nancie

From: _bearpaws

Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:54 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: venting my pill issues (sorry)

,

You bring up a very good point that has me thinking once again on my views of

quality verses quantity of life.

For more years than I care to say I have worked in the nursing homes so I see

the effects of this very thing daily and it leaves me puzzled on my own true

beliefs.

On the one hand like you say I would have surgery done and start taking

medications to prolong my life and yet.................

On the other hand were do you draw the line to say ok enough is enough and this

is no longer natural and my quality of life just is not worth all this I am

putting my body through Unnaturally.

I am by no means a naturalist but I do believe that there are great gains in

becoming more natural based if that makes sense.

Like on this medication thing I am wrestling with. I have never been one to take

medications routinely. I just have this thing that if a medication does not make

me feel better in a short period of time what is the point in taking it?

I have been told in the past I have this thyroid problem so I take the meds for

a few months feel no different even tho the blood work comes back better which

causes me to believe it is a waste of time and money to keep going to the doc

and taking meds so.......................

I stop taking the medication the only difference I am really noticing now is the

outside of my neck is sore all the time and I have developed a few very small

nodes on the left of my neck.

I am left to wonder if I had not taken the medication to begin with would this

have gotten worse on its own. Or did by my taking the meds for a short times

just encourage the symptoms to occur faster? Now I am wrestling with the idea

that how bad and how soon will it get and is it really worth being stuck on

pills just to feel quote good and normal.

The other reason I am fighting the pill thing so much is even yet more stupid

really but I see it as a sign I am getting old once you start taking pills for

one thing then you invariably need more to off set the side effects the first

one caused and you get stuck in a pill war.

I do not want to live my life according to a handful of pills. Yet if I do not

take meds then I have no room to complain on my health right?

Just wondering if anyone else feels like I do on this issue?

<res075oh@...> wrote:

Some people worship nature; but not truly nature but an idealized image

of it. Nothing is more natural than to die when you become very ill.

And sooner or later we all will. And almost without fail we will all do

just about anything possible to stave off this " natural " process as long

as possible. It's really very " unnatural " to have a surgeon cut you

open and remove your ruptured appendix, but most of us with that

condition will agree to this totally unnatural procedure. As well as

many others in similar situations...

> Re: drug companies

>

<hypothyroidism/message/37313;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMzltcHE\

5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzczMTMEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzQ3OTcwNQ-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " amygreen53 " amygreen53@...

> <mailto:amygreen53@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20drug%20companies>

> amygreen53 <amygreen53>

>

>

> Sat Apr 5, 2008 7:58 am (PDT)

>

> Good question -- and one I used to ask before I was hit with the

> menopause from hell. I have always believed in natural medicine --

> supplements and healthy eating. I have steered clear of allopathic

> medicine whenever possible and I've been very healthy. So, I figured

> I would just age naturally and gracefully. LOL! Menopause hit with a

> vengence -- panic attacks, inability to sleep at all, soaking hot

> flashes, weak muscles, emotions on the raw, feeling dizzy faint -- you

> name it! Estrogen and progesterone (bioidentical of course) gave me

> back my life.

>

> I have friends who've sailed though menopause with no help -- they're

> lucky. I have friends who need only herbal support to get through --

> they're lucky too. For me, my choice is simple -- take hormones or I

> cannot function. Amy

>

> -- In hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " Crystal "

> <sweetnwright@

> ...> wrote:

> >

> > Why take hormones? Isn't it natural to decrease in hormones? Why

> replace

> > them?

> > cw

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Hi Nancie,

I am so glad for the information I am still trying to figure this all out.

No i don't think I have ever been checked of anything more than the routine

blood work to be honest.

I have not had a adrenal test for sure. What is that anyway?

but now I can ask for these tests to be done now that I know it could help to

know at what level I am.

Thanks again,

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

-

however you choose to treat your thyroid is your decision. the natural thyroid

medicines that we all advocate are natural based as opposed to the thyroid

medicine that is made from all chemicals aka synthroid. The natural ones like .

armour, and the others have all the thyroid hormones in them T1-4, whereas

synthroid and the other T4 only medications have only one hormone T4 in them.

many people do fine on T4 only medications, but there are many more people who

do not do better on them especially if you are one of the persons who do not

convert T4 to T 3.

if you don take some form of thyroid replacement and/or acupuncture you will

only get sicker and feel lousier.

they thyroid is called the master gland because it controls all the other organs

in the body and a poorly functioning organ will eventually affect all the other

organs and organ systems in the body which has the capacity to kill you. then

the quality of life issue will be mute.

you may also have a dual problem, where both your adrenals and your thyroid may

be out of sync. have you done a 24 hour urine or salvia test to see if your

adrenals are ill? have you ever gotten blood work that measures your vitamin and

mineral content in your body? because you might also be deficient somewhere.,

which can also add to not feeling good.

I know your husband would love to have you around for many more years and so

would we here.

peace,

nancie

From: _bearpaws

Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:54 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: venting my pill issues (sorry)

,

You bring up a very good point that has me thinking once again on my views of

quality verses quantity of life.

For more years than I care to say I have worked in the nursing homes so I see

the effects of this very thing daily and it leaves me puzzled on my own true

beliefs.

On the one hand like you say I would have surgery done and start taking

medications to prolong my life and yet.................

On the other hand were do you draw the line to say ok enough is enough and this

is no longer natural and my quality of life just is not worth all this I am

putting my body through Unnaturally.

I am by no means a naturalist but I do believe that there are great gains in

becoming more natural based if that makes sense.

Like on this medication thing I am wrestling with. I have never been one to take

medications routinely. I just have this thing that if a medication does not make

me feel better in a short period of time what is the point in taking it?

I have been told in the past I have this thyroid problem so I take the meds for

a few months feel no different even tho the blood work comes back better which

causes me to believe it is a waste of time and money to keep going to the doc

and taking meds so.......................

I stop taking the medication the only difference I am really noticing now is the

outside of my neck is sore all the time and I have developed a few very small

nodes on the left of my neck.

I am left to wonder if I had not taken the medication to begin with would this

have gotten worse on its own. Or did by my taking the meds for a short times

just encourage the symptoms to occur faster? Now I am wrestling with the idea

that how bad and how soon will it get and is it really worth being stuck on

pills just to feel quote good and normal.

The other reason I am fighting the pill thing so much is even yet more stupid

really but I see it as a sign I am getting old once you start taking pills for

one thing then you invariably need more to off set the side effects the first

one caused and you get stuck in a pill war.

I do not want to live my life according to a handful of pills. Yet if I do not

take meds then I have no room to complain on my health right?

Just wondering if anyone else feels like I do on this issue?

<res075oh@...> wrote:

Some people worship nature; but not truly nature but an idealized image

of it. Nothing is more natural than to die when you become very ill.

And sooner or later we all will. And almost without fail we will all do

just about anything possible to stave off this " natural " process as long

as possible. It's really very " unnatural " to have a surgeon cut you

open and remove your ruptured appendix, but most of us with that

condition will agree to this totally unnatural procedure. As well as

many others in similar situations...

> Re: drug companies

>

<hypothyroidism/message/37313;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMzltcHE\

5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzczMTMEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzQ3OTcwNQ-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " amygreen53 " amygreen53@...

> <mailto:amygreen53@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20drug%20companies>

> amygreen53 <amygreen53>

>

>

> Sat Apr 5, 2008 7:58 am (PDT)

>

> Good question -- and one I used to ask before I was hit with the

> menopause from hell. I have always believed in natural medicine --

> supplements and healthy eating. I have steered clear of allopathic

> medicine whenever possible and I've been very healthy. So, I figured

> I would just age naturally and gracefully. LOL! Menopause hit with a

> vengence -- panic attacks, inability to sleep at all, soaking hot

> flashes, weak muscles, emotions on the raw, feeling dizzy faint -- you

> name it! Estrogen and progesterone (bioidentical of course) gave me

> back my life.

>

> I have friends who've sailed though menopause with no help -- they're

> lucky. I have friends who need only herbal support to get through --

> they're lucky too. For me, my choice is simple -- take hormones or I

> cannot function. Amy

>

> -- In hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " Crystal "

> <sweetnwright@

> ...> wrote:

> >

> > Why take hormones? Isn't it natural to decrease in hormones? Why

> replace

> > them?

> > cw

---------------------------------

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Access, No Cost.

[Guest guest]

I can understand not wanting to take pills. Taking pills is admitting to

being sick. However, admitting is the first step to recovery. I'm just

kidding, couldn't help myself. You would have gotten the nodes anyway.

There probably wasn't a coincidence. Maybe. ANywho, you may be having

brain fog about the whole thing. Taking thyroid pills is not the gateway

drug. There are no side effects if taking them correctly at the right dose.

Taking them doesn't mean you'll just end up on another drug.

cw

-- venting my pill issues (sorry)

,

You bring up a very good point that has me thinking once again on my views

of quality verses quantity of life.

For more years than I care to say I have worked in the nursing homes so I

see the effects of this very thing daily and it leaves me puzzled on my own

true beliefs.

On the one hand like you say I would have surgery done and start taking

medications to prolong my life and yet.................

On the other hand were do you draw the line to say ok enough is enough and

this is no longer natural and my quality of life just is not worth all this

I am putting my body through Unnaturally.

I am by no means a naturalist but I do believe that there are great gains in

becoming more natural based if that makes sense.

Like on this medication thing I am wrestling with. I have never been one to

take medications routinely. I just have this thing that if a medication does

not make me feel better in a short period of time what is the point in

taking it?

I have been told in the past I have this thyroid problem so I take the meds

for a few months feel no different even tho the blood work comes back better

which causes me to believe it is a waste of time and money to keep going to

the doc and taking meds so.......................

I stop taking the medication the only difference I am really noticing now is

the outside of my neck is sore all the time and I have developed a few very

small nodes on the left of my neck.

I am left to wonder if I had not taken the medication to begin with would

this have gotten worse on its own. Or did by my taking the meds for a short

times just encourage the symptoms to occur faster? Now I am wrestling with

the idea that how bad and how soon will it get and is it really worth being

stuck on pills just to feel quote good and normal.

The other reason I am fighting the pill thing so much is even yet more

stupid really but I see it as a sign I am getting old once you start taking

pills for one thing then you invariably need more to off set the side

effects the first one caused and you get stuck in a pill war.

I do not want to live my life according to a handful of pills. Yet if I do

not take meds then I have no room to complain on my health right?

Just wondering if anyone else feels like I do on this issue?

<res075oh@...> wrote:

Some people worship nature; but not truly nature but an idealized image

of it. Nothing is more natural than to die when you become very ill.

And sooner or later we all will. And almost without fail we will all do

just about anything possible to stave off this " natural " process as long

as possible. It's really very " unnatural " to have a surgeon cut you

open and remove your ruptured appendix, but most of us with that

condition will agree to this totally unnatural procedure. As well as

many others in similar situations...

> Re: drug companies

> <hypothyroidism/message/37313

_ylc=X3oDMTJxMzltcHE5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

DIEbXNnSWQDMzczMTMEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzQ3OTcwNQ-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " amygreen53 " amygreen53@...

> <mailto:amygreen53@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20drug%20companies>

> amygreen53 <amygreen53>

>

>

> Sat Apr 5, 2008 7:58 am (PDT)

>

> Good question -- and one I used to ask before I was hit with the

> menopause from hell. I have always believed in natural medicine --

> supplements and healthy eating. I have steered clear of allopathic

> medicine whenever possible and I've been very healthy. So, I figured

> I would just age naturally and gracefully. LOL! Menopause hit with a

> vengence -- panic attacks, inability to sleep at all, soaking hot

> flashes, weak muscles, emotions on the raw, feeling dizzy faint -- you

> name it! Estrogen and progesterone (bioidentical of course) gave me

> back my life.

>

> I have friends who've sailed though menopause with no help -- they're

> lucky. I have friends who need only herbal support to get through --

> they're lucky too. For me, my choice is simple -- take hormones or I

> cannot function. Amy

>

> -- In hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " Crystal "

> <sweetnwright@

> ...> wrote:

> >

> > Why take hormones? Isn't it natural to decrease in hormones? Why

> replace

> > them?

> > cw

---------------------------------

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Total Access, No Cost.

[Guest guest]

One thing to consider is the utterly miserable quality of life many on

this list have seen; and the efforts they have had to go to in order to

have a life even worth living. I'm not sure what choice I would make if

I felt so miserable as some do. There is considerable anecdotal

evidence that if hypothyroidism is treated EARLY [before a lot of damage

is done] that you have a much better chance of needing only a simple

pill with no detectable side effects. I don't know of any peer reviewed

literature to support this idea, although it may exist.

So to have a better chance of a healthy life as " natural " as possible

it's probably a very good idea to properly treat hypothyroidism BEFORE

the really negative symptoms appear; because if you don't then the

treatment may be much more complex, difficult, and lacking in positive

results to your quality of life. For example, one member of this list

takes [iIRC] 100 mg of iodine daily to try and obtain good results

[apparently successfully], but that is many dozens of time higher than

the toxic limit quoted by competent authorities [i think the

recommendation is 1.5 mg max per day; but I may have screwed up the units].

Best of luck,

>

> venting my pill issues (sorry)

>

<hypothyroidism/message/37365;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaDlvNzQ\

wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzczNjUEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzUzNDIwNA-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " _bearpaws " katiebear_paws@...

>

<mailto:katiebear_paws@...?Subject=%20Re%3Aventing%20my%20pill%20issues%20\

%28sorry%29>

> katiebear_paws <katiebear_paws>

>

>

> Sun Apr 6, 2008 4:54 pm (PDT)

>

> ,

> You bring up a very good point that has me thinking once again on my

> views of quality verses quantity of life.

> For more years than I care to say I have worked in the nursing homes

> so I see the effects of this very thing daily and it leaves me puzzled

> on my own true beliefs.

> On the one hand like you say I would have surgery done and start

> taking medications to prolong my life and yet.........

> ........

> On the other hand were do you draw the line to say ok enough is enough

> and this is no longer natural and my quality of life just is not worth

> all this I am putting my body through Unnaturally.

> I am by no means a naturalist but I do believe that there are great

> gains in becoming more natural based if that makes sense.

> Like on this medication thing I am wrestling with. I have never been

> one to take medications routinely. I just have this thing that if a

> medication does not make me feel better in a short period of time what

> is the point in taking it?

> I have been told in the past I have this thyroid problem so I take the

> meds for a few months feel no different even tho the blood work comes

> back better which causes me to believe it is a waste of time and money

> to keep going to the doc and taking meds so.......................

> I stop taking the medication the only difference I am really noticing

> now is the outside of my neck is sore all the time and I have

> developed a few very small nodes on the left of my neck.

> I am left to wonder if I had not taken the medication to begin with

> would this have gotten worse on its own. Or did by my taking the meds

> for a short times just encourage the symptoms to occur faster? Now I

> am wrestling with the idea that how bad and how soon will it get and

> is it really worth being stuck on pills just to feel quote good and

> normal.

> The other reason I am fighting the pill thing so much is even yet more

> stupid really but I see it as a sign I am getting old once you start

> taking pills for one thing then you invariably need more to off set

> the side effects the first one caused and you get stuck in a pill war.

> I do not want to live my life according to a handful of pills. Yet if

> I do not take meds then I have no room to complain on my health right?

> Just wondering if anyone else feels like I do on this issue?

>

>

>

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> Some people worship nature; but not truly nature but an idealized image

> of it. Nothing is more natural than to die when you become very ill.

> And sooner or later we all will. And almost without fail we will all do

> just about anything possible to stave off this " natural " process as long

> as possible. It's really very " unnatural " to have a surgeon cut you

> open and remove your ruptured appendix, but most of us with that

> condition will agree to this totally unnatural procedure. As well as

> many others in similar situations...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Katye,

I feel as you do about medications. I don't take anything that I don't find

absolutely essential to my life. Thyroid is one of those things, and because of

my fibromyalgia (I don't sleep) I also take Ambien, and because of my high blood

pressure, I take a water pill, which I am

now questioning because of things that have recently come up.

They have given me other medications for a heart problem, which I have so far

been able to only take in an emergency, and instead take natural supplements

that have seemed to help, as well as cutting out cafeine.

If you are hypothyroid, your condition will not stay static, and you will

continue to run down, sort of like a watch spring (are there any more of those

around?) unwinding. I would suggest that you read all you can about

hypothyroidism from several sources, so that you can have as much information

about this malfunction of the thyroid gland. It absolutely needs to be given

thyroid hormone, because if it gets bad enough you could die.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

One thing to consider is the utterly miserable quality of life many on

this list have seen; and the efforts they have had to go to in order to

have a life even worth living. I'm not sure what choice I would make if

I felt so miserable as some do. There is considerable anecdotal

evidence that if hypothyroidism is treated EARLY [before a lot of damage

is done] that you have a much better chance of needing only a simple

pill with no detectable side effects. I don't know of any peer reviewed

literature to support this idea, although it may exist.

So to have a better chance of a healthy life as " natural " as possible

it's probably a very good idea to properly treat hypothyroidism BEFORE

the really negative symptoms appear; because if you don't then the

treatment may be much more complex, difficult, and lacking in positive

results to your quality of life. For example, one member of this list

takes [iIRC] 100 mg of iodine daily to try and obtain good results

[apparently successfully], but that is many dozens of time higher than

the toxic limit quoted by competent authorities [i think the

recommendation is 1.5 mg max per day; but I may have screwed up the units].

Best of luck,

>

> venting my pill issues (sorry)

>

>

>

>

> Posted by: " _bearpaws " katiebear_paws@...

>

> katiebear_paws

>

>

> Sun Apr 6, 2008 4:54 pm (PDT)

>

> ,

> You bring up a very good point that has me thinking once again on my

> views of quality verses quantity of life.

> For more years than I care to say I have worked in the nursing homes

> so I see the effects of this very thing daily and it leaves me puzzled

> on my own true beliefs.

> On the one hand like you say I would have surgery done and start

> taking medications to prolong my life and yet.........

> ........

> On the other hand were do you draw the line to say ok enough is enough

> and this is no longer natural and my quality of life just is not worth

> all this I am putting my body through Unnaturally.

> I am by no means a naturalist but I do believe that there are great

> gains in becoming more natural based if that makes sense.

> Like on this medication thing I am wrestling with. I have never been

> one to take medications routinely. I just have this thing that if a

> medication does not make me feel better in a short period of time what

> is the point in taking it?

> I have been told in the past I have this thyroid problem so I take the

> meds for a few months feel no different even tho the blood work comes

> back better which causes me to believe it is a waste of time and money

> to keep going to the doc and taking meds so.......................

> I stop taking the medication the only difference I am really noticing

> now is the outside of my neck is sore all the time and I have

> developed a few very small nodes on the left of my neck.

> I am left to wonder if I had not taken the medication to begin with

> would this have gotten worse on its own. Or did by my taking the meds

> for a short times just encourage the symptoms to occur faster? Now I

> am wrestling with the idea that how bad and how soon will it get and

> is it really worth being stuck on pills just to feel quote good and

> normal.

> The other reason I am fighting the pill thing so much is even yet more

> stupid really but I see it as a sign I am getting old once you start

> taking pills for one thing then you invariably need more to off set

> the side effects the first one caused and you get stuck in a pill war.

> I do not want to live my life according to a handful of pills. Yet if

> I do not take meds then I have no room to complain on my health right?

> Just wondering if anyone else feels like I do on this issue?

>

>

>

>

> > wrote:

> Some people worship nature; but not truly nature but an idealized image

> of it. Nothing is more natural than to die when you become very ill.

> And sooner or later we all will. And almost without fail we will all do

> just about anything possible to stave off this " natural " process as long

> as possible. It's really very " unnatural " to have a surgeon cut you

> open and remove your ruptured appendix, but most of us with that

> condition will agree to this totally unnatural procedure. As well as

> many others in similar situations...

>

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