Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

[Guest guest]

You have to do what is right for you.. I was just telling you my

experience. Absolutely, you could have an allergic reaction to the

Armour. I can't take synthroid because of sulfites. So I totally

understand what you are saying BUT you are also saying you are not

feeling good with what you are doing now...so we are just giving you

other possibilities. Which, on these groups, is not necessarily always

correct for everyone.

Venizia

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue, I am having to agree with Gracia. I was taking 6 grains of

> > Armour awhile back and ever since I have been taking the lower dose is

> > when I started having all this trouble. NOW, I do not think I should

> > be on 6 grains but I do feel that my problems are Rt3 and also Not

> > being on enough thyroid. Today, a beautiful day in Wisconsin and what

> > was I doing for the last 3 hrs? Sleeping.....not like me AT ALL!

> >

> > Venizia

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

You have stumbled on an old discussion. The manufacturer (Forest) says

that the MAXIMUM dose of Armour is 3 grains. Gracia says 3 grains is the

MINIMUM dose anyone should take.

Chuck

> Gracia,

> Where do you get your information?

> The MININUM dose of Armour can be 60 mg or 1 grain or even less.

>

> There is no way that eveyone should be on 4 grains of armour‹no way at all.

>

> My Tsh is suppressed, which is good for me, my t4 mid range and with t3 my

> free t3 goes up to high end.

> I never felt like crap til I took armour ‹ I tried it ALONE, adding it to

> Levo, and alone again and as soon as I took a pill I got SICK.

>

> Really, that¹s just my body rejecting the pig thryoid.

>

> sue

>

[Guest guest]

60mg or 1 grain is a starter dose (which gave me a headache and dizzziness).

Dr. Derry in Canada used to START ppl on 180mg but I think that dose is hard on

adrenals. I could only tolerate 90mg until I got adrenals treated. Usual dose

of Armour is 180--300mg but some ppl go much higher. Have you looked on

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ?

Gracia

Gracia,

Where do you get your information?

The MININUM dose of Armour can be 60 mg or 1 grain or even less.

There is no way that eveyone should be on 4 grains of armour<no way at all.

My Tsh is suppressed, which is good for me, my t4 mid range and with t3 my

free t3 goes up to high end.

I never felt like crap til I took armour < I tried it ALONE, adding it to

Levo, and alone again and as soon as I took a pill I got SICK.

Really, that¹s just my body rejecting the pig thryoid.

sue

On 8/10/08 5:05 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> Gracia

>

[Guest guest]

What is not true?

You can take as much as YOU want or NEED all I said is NOT EVERYONE has to

take at LEAST 4 grains.

sue

On 8/10/08 5:25 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Well that is not true, my natural medicine Physician who is a MD Takes 5

> grains of Armour! I am up to 4 grains and I am feeling much better than I

> did at 3 grains. My doc, prudence hall says everyone is different but one

> should always dose to your symptoms and if one feels better on a higher dose

> then that is the dose you should take and the same goes for lower doses...

> Nancie

>

> -- Re: Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released

> T3?

>

> Gracia,

> Where do you get your information?

> The MININUM dose of Armour can be 60 mg or 1 grain or even less.

>

> There is no way that eveyone should be on 4 grains of armour‹no way at all.

>

> My Tsh is suppressed, which is good for me, my t4 mid range and with t3 my

> free t3 goes up to high end.

> I never felt like crap til I took armour ‹ I tried it ALONE, adding it to

> Levo, and alone again and as soon as I took a pill I got SICK.

>

> Really, that¹s just my body rejecting the pig thryoid.

>

> sue

[Guest guest]

I don't know anybody on the internet on 3 grains--maybe there are a few on

here. most take more.

Gracia

Sue,

You have stumbled on an old discussion. The manufacturer (Forest) says

that the MAXIMUM dose of Armour is 3 grains. Gracia says 3 grains is the

MINIMUM dose anyone should take.

Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

No, no no no I did not say I was not feeling good with what I was doing now.

You must of missed a lot of my posts where I outlined my symptoms, levels,

meds, treatments, etc.

My adrenals burned out about six months ago and up until then I felt GREAT.

In fact I stated I never had ANY hypo symptoms other than weight gain.

I eat organic, work out 5 days a week at a gym, go yoga, meditation, run my

own business, etc.

I am now on Schwarzbein¹s program and feeling better since my adrenals are

starting to mend.

Sue

On 8/10/08 5:26 PM, " venizia1948 " <nelsonck@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> You have to do what is right for you.. I was just telling you my

> experience. Absolutely, you could have an allergic reaction to the

> Armour. I can't take synthroid because of sulfites. So I totally

> understand what you are saying BUT you are also saying you are not

> feeling good with what you are doing now...so we are just giving you

> other possibilities. Which, on these groups, is not necessarily always

> correct for everyone.

>

> Venizia

>

-

[Guest guest]

Hey, it will happen as new-to-the-board folks stumble on and it's no problem

or bother at all....

My heart could not take six grains of armour that is an incredibly high

amount of T3 and the ratio of armour's t3 to t4 is already almost double a

human's natural output.

sue

On 8/10/08 5:29 PM, " Chuck B " <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Sue,

>

> You have stumbled on an old discussion. The manufacturer (Forest) says

> that the MAXIMUM dose of Armour is 3 grains. Gracia says 3 grains is the

> MINIMUM dose anyone should take.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

really? I know what works and I know how to cut to the chase and not waste

time. I wasted a lot of time getting well.

Gracia

People have been saying the same thing to Gracia forever. She stands by her

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[Guest guest]

Gracia,

There are many people who take 1 to 2 grains.

Members on this board that I know from other boards.

And many on other boards.

I can't see why you would want to take that much thyroid hormone.

The amount of T3 alone that you are getting is kinda scary to me.

sue

On 8/10/08 5:33 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

> I don't know anybody on the internet on 3 grains--maybe there are a few on

> here. most take more.

> Gracia

>

> Sue,

>

> You have stumbled on an old discussion. The manufacturer (Forest) says

> that the MAXIMUM dose of Armour is 3 grains. Gracia says 3 grains is the

> MINIMUM dose anyone should take.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

1--2 grains is NOT OK in my book, sorry. don't believe me--go to

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com b/c they know about Armour and how to use

it. most docs do not.

Gracia

Gracia,

There are many people who take 1 to 2 grains.

Members on this board that I know from other boards.

And many on other boards.

I can't see why you would want to take that much thyroid hormone.

The amount of T3 alone that you are getting is kinda scary to me.

sue

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[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

I work with my doctor and a nutritionist for my dosing, diet and exercise

plan, as well as my own common sense, of course.

I am a HUGE advocate of the Schwarzbein Priniciple and that is what works

for me.

I am so happy you can tolerate such a high dose of armour AND that it helps

you.

That is the beauty of it all‹you have gotten well doing what works for you‹

but each

of us must absolutely hands down take our health into our own hands and not

do what worked

for someone else without someone in the medical, homeopathic, or nutrition

field, etc. monitoring what they are doingl

Sue

On 8/10/08 5:31 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> 60mg or 1 grain is a starter dose (which gave me a headache and dizzziness).

> Dr. Derry in Canada used to START ppl on 180mg but I think that dose is hard

> on adrenals. I could only tolerate 90mg until I got adrenals treated. Usual

> dose of Armour is 180--300mg but some ppl go much higher. Have you looked

> on http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com ?

> Gracia

>

> Gracia,

[Guest guest]

Sue,

You wrote:

> ... and the ratio of armour's t3 to t4 is already almost double a

> human's natural output.

Another excellent point and old discussion, since many here insist on

calling Armour " natural, " when nature is rather different.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

What do you take for adrenals?

CW

-- Re: Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released

T3?

No, no no no I did not say I was not feeling good with what I was doing now.

You must of missed a lot of my posts where I outlined my symptoms, levels,

meds, treatments, etc.

My adrenals burned out about six months ago and up until then I felt GREAT.

In fact I stated I never had ANY hypo symptoms other than weight gain.

I eat organic, work out 5 days a week at a gym, go yoga, meditation, run my

own business, etc.

I am now on Schwarzbein¹s program and feeling better since my adrenals are

starting to mend.

Sue

On 8/10/08 5:26 PM, " venizia1948 " <nelsonck@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> You have to do what is right for you.. I was just telling you my

> experience. Absolutely, you could have an allergic reaction to the

> Armour. I can't take synthroid because of sulfites. So I totally

> understand what you are saying BUT you are also saying you are not

> feeling good with what you are doing now...so we are just giving you

> other possibilities. Which, on these groups, is not necessarily always

> correct for everyone.

>

> Venizia

>

-

[Guest guest]

My mistake- I thought you were saying no one should take any thing higher

than 4 grains...

Nancie

-- Re: Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released

> T3?

>

> Gracia,

> Where do you get your information?

> The MININUM dose of Armour can be 60 mg or 1 grain or even less.

>

> There is no way that eveyone should be on 4 grains of armour‹no way at all

>

> My Tsh is suppressed, which is good for me, my t4 mid range and with t3 my

> free t3 goes up to high end.

> I never felt like crap til I took armour ‹ I tried it ALONE, adding it to

> Levo, and alone again and as soon as I took a pill I got SICK.

>

> Really, that¹s just my body rejecting the pig thryoid.

>

> sue

[Guest guest]

I hope you realize you may be crucified; having just committed sacrilege

against the belief systems of some here... Don't confuse them with facts.

> No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> thryoid

> hormone.

> I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another

> board

> said it was superior.

> I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

> levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

> And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach bloated up

> and I felt like crap.

>

> It¹s simply not for me.

>

> Sue

[Guest guest]

In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

must be a reason...

> p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> Gracia

>

> No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> thryoid

> hormone.

[Guest guest]

I do appreciate the humor‹ thanks

sue

On 8/10/08 8:55 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I hope you realize you may be crucified; having just committed sacrilege

> against the belief systems of some here... Don't confuse them with facts.

>

>

>

>> > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

>> > thryoid

>> > hormone.

>> > I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another

>> > board

>> > said it was superior.

>> > I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

>> > levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

>> > And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach bloated up

>> > and I felt like crap.

>> >

>> > It¹s simply not for me.

>> >

>> > Sue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Heck no, take as much as is safe and therapeutic for you.

I¹m not a doctor and have no clue what is a safe dose for anyone on this

board.

sue

On 8/10/08 8:05 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> My mistake- I thought you were saying no one should take any thing higher

> than 4 grains...

> Nancie

>

> -- Re: Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released

> T3?

>

[Guest guest]

Am I gonna have to start putting people in time out here?

CW

-- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

I hope you realize you may be crucified; having just committed sacrilege

against the belief systems of some here... Don't confuse them with facts.

> No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> thryoid

> hormone.

> I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another

> board

> said it was superior.

> I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

> levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

> And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach bloated up

> and I felt like crap.

>

> It¹s simply not for me.

>

> Sue

[Guest guest]

hmmm....here we go again. What a passionate group!

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , " Crystal "

<sweetnwright@...> wrote:

>

> Am I gonna have to start putting people in time out here?

> CW

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time

Released T3?

>

> I hope you realize you may be crucified; having just committed

sacrilege

> against the belief systems of some here... Don't confuse them with

facts.

>

>

>

> > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > thryoid

> > hormone.

> > I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another

> > board

> > said it was superior.

> > I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

> > levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

> > And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach

bloated up

> > and I felt like crap.

> >

> > It¹s simply not for me.

> >

> > Sue

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I suspect the manufacturer is trying to avoid a lawsuit of any degree, so

they make their max dose a bit lower than what is actually required by many.

CW

-- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

must be a reason...

> p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> Gracia

>

> No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> thryoid

> hormone.

[Guest guest]

And don't forget, Forest Pharmaceuticals [the manufacturer] also doesn't

know how to use it. Strange, isn't it? You'd think they would have

bothered to find out what you know, since if everyone followed your

advice they'd sell twice as much.

> 1--2 grains is NOT OK in my book, sorry. don't believe me--go to

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> b/c they know about Armour and

> how to use it. most docs do not.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

-

You know that is not really true and a bit mean.

-- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

I hope you realize you may be crucified; having just committed sacrilege

against the belief systems of some here... Don't confuse them with facts.

> No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> thryoid

> hormone.

> I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another

> board

> said it was superior.

> I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

> levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

> And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach bloated up

> and I felt like crap.

>

> It¹s simply not for me.

>

> Sue

[Guest guest]

-

There are numerous natural medicine physicians and providers all over the

world that don't follow Forrest pharm's recommendations. The higher doses

in the allopathic world are considered off label uses which happens ALL the

time with other medications and no one says boo. Why all the criticism with

the off label use of Armour?

-- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

must be a reason...

> p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> Gracia

>

> No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> thryoid

> hormone.

[Guest guest]

I did check the PDF that Forest has for dosing info, this is what they

say exactly " Most patients require 60 to 120mg/day. Failure to respond

to doses of 180mg suggests lack of compliance or malabsorption. " No

where did I find they mention a " maximum dose " that and I believe

Chuck used to repeat.

It goes on later in the same document to describe the various strengths

of the pills they make......including 4 and 5 grain tabs!

I will say that I take 2.5 grains (that would be 150mg) a day and my

previous low body temps that I had my whole life are now normal. I am

around 98 in the morning, and by late afternoon close to 99. My feet and

legs, up to about me knee, used to be very cold when I awoke. No more.

My wife eventually took about the same dose, but felt a little hot and

developed a slight hand tremor. She is now taking exactly 2 grains daily

with excellent results for many months. She never says she is cold

anymore, before she had the coldest hands I have ever felt! :-) She came

about this dose entirely by how she felt, I didn't put any ideas into

her head. I started her out at a quarter grain and it took a few months

to reach where she is now.

I do respect those that require more though. Might want to keep a fire

extinguisher handy in case they spontaneously combust though! (j/k ing)

Neil

Nancie Barnett wrote:

>

> -

> There are numerous natural medicine physicians and providers all over the

> world that don't follow Forrest pharm's recommendations. The higher doses

> in the allopathic world are considered off label uses which happens

> ALL the

> time with other medications and no one says boo. Why all the criticism

> with

> the off label use of Armour?

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

> lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

> Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

> your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

>

> Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

> of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> must be a reason...

>

>

>

> > p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> > Gracia

> >

> > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > thryoid

> > hormone.

>

>

>

>

>

>