Re: Re:I know there was a lot of talk about iodine

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How much iodine is 150mcg about? Is it like a teaspoon? I have Hashimoto's

and fibromyalgia and I've been thinking for a while that my FMS is actually my

thyroid or at least a possibility. I got my doctor to prescribe me Cytomel,

which my tests did in fact show that I needed, but I found no help from this

drug at all. She is not in favor of me trying Armour. I remember being told

that iodine would actually hurt me because I had Hashi's. So maybe I shouldn't

try to up my iodine. I don't really eat much salt. I eat a lot of whole foods

where you have to add salt and I don't add salt to food very often. I think

I only add it to eggs.

Thanks for everyone's responses. I'm just trying to figure out what might

help. On a side note, I bought a sauna and am not noticing any help with that

really although I don't usually have acne ever and all the sudden I've been

breaking out. I've heard it's good for acne, so maybe this really helps for that

bring out toxins in the body.

In a message dated 11/25/2008 8:06:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

res075oh@... writes:

The iodine deficiency discussed in the page you listed refers to those

who receive less than the RDA of iodine, which is about 150 mcg/day [i

think]. That's 150 millionths of a gram if my memory and math are

correct. What some people are taking and recommending on the iodine

lists is up to 100 grams per day, which is 6600% higher than the RDA.

The RDA is generally sufficient to prevent the typical quoted symptoms

of iodine insufficiency. 100 grams is many times greater than that

which has been shown in credible research to cause problems with a small

percentage of the general population which might result in injury or

death. And much smaller quantities have been shown to cause Hashimoto's

attacks [or flare ups of Hashimoto's].

Look at all the evidence you can before you take something that has a

small chance of killing you. The same people who take several thousand

percent of the RDA of iodine for hypothyroidism seem to often also need

to take up to twice the manufacturer's recommendation of Armour [which

contains both T4 and T3] as well as other chemicals so I wonder what the

massive doses of iodine actually accomplish from the physiological

perspective. Most hypothyroid patients take T4 only and do fine;

although a small percentage do not.

Luck,

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>

> Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:03 pm (PST)

>

> I know there was a lot of talk about iodine and it helping with

> hypothyroiditis, and I found this article that seems interesting. I've

> also got

> fibromyalgia. I'm curious, those who have tried the iodine therapy,

> have any of you

> had fibromyalgia and it's gotten all better? What is the iodine

> therapy? I know

> it's been said that it can actually hurt you also on this list, but

> curious

> what is thought about it.

>

>

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tyblossom@... wrote:

>

>

> How much iodine is 150mcg about? Is it like a teaspoon?...

You're kidding, right? A gram is about the mass of a smaller sized paper

clip. A milligram is 1/1,000th of that. A microgram is 1/1,000th of a

milligram.

You would probably not be able to see 150 mcg sitting in front of you.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

That was a very interesting article, but concerned about trying to take any

iodine because I have Hashi's.

In a message dated 11/25/2008 2:57:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

res075oh@... writes:

Here's something you might want to be aware of if you're considering

taking a vast multiple of the RDA of iodine each day. You can find the

entire article here:

..

<http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=69>

..

Although this is not a peer reviewed site I believe the information

pretty much agrees with others I have seen; and it is in a much more

readable format.

..

..

> Toxicity Symptoms

>

> What are toxicity symptoms for iodine?

>

> Accidental overdose of iodine from medications or supplements in

> amounts exceeding one gram may cause burning in the mouth, throat and

> stomach and/or abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, dirarrhea, weak

> pulse, and coma.

>

> It is difficult to take in too much iodine from food sources alone. It

> is estimated that men and women consume at most 300 mcg and 210 mcg of

> iodine per day, respectively. In general, even high intakes of iodine

> from food are well-tolerated by most people.

>

> However, in certain circumstances, excessive consumption of iodine can

> actually inhibit the synthesis of thyroid hormones, thereby leading to

> the development of goiter (enlargement of the thyroid gland) and

> hypothyroidism. Excessive iodine intake may also cause

> hyperthyroidism, thyroid papillary cancer, and/or iodermia (a serious

> skin reaction).

>

> In an attempt to prevent these symptoms of iodine toxicity, the

> Institute of Medicine established the following Tolerable Upper Intake

> Levels (TUL) for iodine:

>

> * 1-3 years: 900 mcg

> * 4-8 years: 300 mcg

> * 9-13 years: 600 mcg

> * 14-18 years: 900 mcg

> * 19 years and older: 1,100 mcg

> * Pregnant women 14-18 years: 900 mcg

> * Pregnant women 19 years and older: 1,100 mcg

> * Lactating women 14-18 years: 900 mcg

> * Lactating women 19 years and older: 1,100 mcg

>

> It is important to note that if you have an autoimmune thyroid disease

> (for example, Grave's disease or Hashimoto's disease) or if you have

> experienced an iodine deficiency at some point in your life, you may

> be more susceptible to the dangers of excessive iodine consumption,

> and may, therefore, need to monitor your intake of iodine more carefully.

>

> Impact of Cooking, Storage and Processing

>

> How do cooking, storage, or processing affect iodine?

>

> Food processing practices often increase the amount of iodine in

> foods. For example, the addition of potassium iodide to table salt to

> produce " iodized " salt has dramatically increased the iodine intake of

> people in developed countries. In addition, iodine-based dough

> conditioners are commonly used in commercial bread-making, which

> increases the iodine content of the bread.

>

tyblossom@... wrote:

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tyblossom <tyblossom>

Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:03 pm (PST)

I know there was a lot of talk about iodine and it helping with

hypothyroiditis, and I found this article that seems interesting. I've

also got

fibromyalgia. I'm curious, those who have tried the iodine therapy, have

any of you

had fibromyalgia and it's gotten all better? What is the iodine therapy?

I know

it's been said that it can actually hurt you also on this list, but curious

what is thought about it.

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Nope, wasn't kidding. I can't imagine then how people in the Great Lakes

could have been deficient originally then. Hmmm

In a message dated 11/25/2008 4:58:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

tyblossom@... wrote:

>

>

> How much iodine is 150mcg about? Is it like a teaspoon?...

You're kidding, right? A gram is about the mass of a smaller sized paper

clip. A milligram is 1/1,000th of that. A microgram is 1/1,000th of a

milligram.

You would probably not be able to see 150 mcg sitting in front of you.

Chuck

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then you should read Brownstein's book on iodine

http://www.drbrownstein.com

he treats hashis with iodine and explains why in the book. is allopathic

medicine working for you???

Gracia

That was a very interesting article, but concerned about trying to take any

iodine because I have Hashi's.

In a message dated 11/25/2008 2:57:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

res075oh@... writes:

Here's something you might want to be aware of if you're considering

taking a vast multiple of the RDA of iodine each day. You can find the

entire article here:

.

<http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=69>

.

Although this is not a peer reviewed site I believe the information

pretty much agrees with others I have seen; and it is in a much more

readable format.

.

.

> Toxicity Symptoms

>

> What are toxicity symptoms for iodine?

>

> Accidental overdose of iodine from medications or supplements in

> amounts exceeding one gram may cause burning in the mouth, throat and

> stomach and/or abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, dirarrhea, weak

> pulse, and coma.

>

> It is difficult to take in too much iodine from food sources alone. It

> is estimated that men and women consume at most 300 mcg and 210 mcg of

> iodine per day, respectively. In general, even high intakes of iodine

> from food are well-tolerated by most people.

>

> However, in certain circumstances, excessive consumption of iodine can

> actually inhibit the synthesis of thyroid hormones, thereby leading to

> the development of goiter (enlargement of the thyroid gland) and

> hypothyroidism. Excessive iodine intake may also cause

> hyperthyroidism, thyroid papillary cancer, and/or iodermia (a serious

> skin reaction).

>

> In an attempt to prevent these symptoms of iodine toxicity, the

> Institute of Medicine established the following Tolerable Upper Intake

> Levels (TUL) for iodine:

>

> * 1-3 years: 900 mcg

> * 4-8 years: 300 mcg

> * 9-13 years: 600 mcg

> * 14-18 years: 900 mcg

> * 19 years and older: 1,100 mcg

> * Pregnant women 14-18 years: 900 mcg

> * Pregnant women 19 years and older: 1,100 mcg

> * Lactating women 14-18 years: 900 mcg

> * Lactating women 19 years and older: 1,100 mcg

>

> It is important to note that if you have an autoimmune thyroid disease

> (for example, Grave's disease or Hashimoto's disease) or if you have

> experienced an iodine deficiency at some point in your life, you may

> be more susceptible to the dangers of excessive iodine consumption,

> and may, therefore, need to monitor your intake of iodine more carefully.

>

> Impact of Cooking, Storage and Processing

>

> How do cooking, storage, or processing affect iodine?

>

> Food processing practices often increase the amount of iodine in

> foods. For example, the addition of potassium iodide to table salt to

> produce " iodized " salt has dramatically increased the iodine intake of

> people in developed countries. In addition, iodine-based dough

> conditioners are commonly used in commercial bread-making, which

> increases the iodine content of the bread.

>

tyblossom@... wrote:

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tyblossom <tyblossom>

Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:03 pm (PST)

I know there was a lot of talk about iodine and it helping with

hypothyroiditis, and I found this article that seems interesting. I've

also got

fibromyalgia. I'm curious, those who have tried the iodine therapy, have

any of you

had fibromyalgia and it's gotten all better? What is the iodine therapy?

I know

it's been said that it can actually hurt you also on this list, but curious

what is thought about it.

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tyblossom@... wrote:

>

>

> Nope, wasn't kidding. I can't imagine then how people in the Great Lakes

> could have been deficient originally then. Hmmm

Iodine is like a lot of trace nutrients. The amount in food is so small

you don't notice when it is absent, but if the level gets too low, there

are health consequences.

An RDA is usually set as the minimum needed to prevent these obvious

acute conditions. However, that does not mean you only need the RDA for

optimum health. In fact, they can't even agree on what that minimum

should be. For example, the UK recommends 40 mg per day of vitamin C,

but the U.S. National Academy of Sciences now recommends a minimum of 90

mg. WHO says 45 mg, while Canada pegs it at 60 mg. They all agree,

though, that around 2,000 to 3,000 mg per day will probably cause

digestive issues. That makes a rather wide range in between.

With iodine, the RDA (enough to prevent goiter) is 0.15 mg. The onset of

allergic/sensitivity reactions is 3 mg. Again, you have a wide range

that is recognized as safe. Gracia, says 100 mg is not only safe but

beneficial, but she has never presented a single credible study that

supports this, other than the opinions of the Optimox boys. IIRC, you

need at least 1 mg to aggravate Hashi's, so a modest dose between the

RDA and this would be the place to start.

The problem with the Great Lakes region (and parts of Wyoming, Montana,

the NW coast, and the N. Carolina piedmont) is that the iodine from

marine deposits has been washed out of the soil or covered over by fresh

water clay. Since iodide salts are even more soluble than chlorides,

they tend to get washed out by fresh water runoff. In the case of the

Great Lakes, this mainly came from glaciation and its melt waters since

the last ice age.

Curiously, the connection between thyroid problems and regional iodine

deficiencies was first noticed in the incidence of goiters among native

tribes in the U.S.

Chuck