Re: Goiters and the Great Lakes

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Well I think I'll add a little more salt to my diet since I really hardly

ever add any except like I said...to eggs. Thanks everyone who has given me your

advice. I really appreciate it. I'm going to look some more into iodine just

in the way that I'm afraid of it hurting me some how. I'm not really sure

how it hurts someone with Hashi's. I mean I can't imagine that it could add

anymore antibodies to me.

In a message dated 11/27/2008 6:39:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

brianevans_99@... writes:

Adding just a bit to what Chuck said, the name " Goiter Belt " was given to

the area around the Great Lakes because the soils there generally lacked the

amount of iodine needed to prevent goiters. So the root vegetables and other

crops grown for local consumption too often promoted goiters.

Today, when so much of your food (and their food) comes from outside the

regions where we live, that problem is probably minimal. But goiters can still

emerge, apparently, when our diets contain too little iodine.

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tyblossom@... wrote:

>

> ...I'm not really sure

> how it hurts someone with Hashi's. I mean I can't imagine that it could add

> anymore antibodies to me.

Apparently that is exactly what it does, stimulate antibody production.

However, if your thyroid is already pretty much gone, this may not be

all that bad. Active antibodies can distort your blood tests, but the

main physiological effect will be on your thyroid. If you have

adequately replaced the gland's hormones, then additional antibodies may

not do much of anything.

OTOH, I am still a skeptic on whether iodine above 3 mg will do you any

good.

Chuck

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Thanks Chuck,

I just wish I understood why I still have all over body pain(fibro) which I

believe is caused by my Hashi's, and my skin is so dry and all the other

thyroid symptoms I have. My TSH has been raised to the upper part of the scale

and

I'm staying ok with it. I was put on Cytomel and that didn't have any effect

on me.

Do these antibodies do anything else in the body? Just curious. I wonder if

having the thyroid taken out actually would be a good thing if it's already

been killed off...which mine has been...Good article I read that talks about

how they used to take them all out and other stuff I hadn't read before about

the thyroid closing around the windpipes etc. That must be why our voice can

be deep and scratchy-ish.

_http://www.thyroidcancer.com/hashimotos_thyroiditis.htm_

(http://www.thyroidcancer.com/hashimotos_thyroiditis.htm)

_Why doesn't god heal amputees_ (

)

In a message dated 11/27/2008 11:21:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

tyblossom@... wrote:

>

> ...I'm not really sure

> how it hurts someone with Hashi's. I mean I can't imagine that it could add

> anymore antibodies to me.

Apparently that is exactly what it does, stimulate antibody production.

However, if your thyroid is already pretty much gone, this may not be

all that bad. Active antibodies can distort your blood tests, but the

main physiological effect will be on your thyroid. If you have

adequately replaced the gland's hormones, then additional antibodies may

not do much of anything.

OTOH, I am still a skeptic on whether iodine above 3 mg will do you any

good.

Chuck

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this is myth. this does not happen to ppl who take 50--100mg iodine/iodide,

which is recommended for hashis. iodine is the cure, not the cause.

Gracia

tyblossom@... wrote:

>

> ...I'm not really sure

> how it hurts someone with Hashi's. I mean I can't imagine that it could add

> anymore antibodies to me.

Apparently that is exactly what it does, stimulate antibody production.

However, if your thyroid is already pretty much gone, this may not be

all that bad. Active antibodies can distort your blood tests, but the

main physiological effect will be on your thyroid. If you have

adequately replaced the gland's hormones, then additional antibodies may

not do much of anything.

OTOH, I am still a skeptic on whether iodine above 3 mg will do you any

good.

Chuck

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I'm just curious, but do they make an iodine tablets that don't have salt in

it, or is it the salt that is the iodine? Like cheap ones at walgreens or

something.

In a message dated 11/27/2008 8:38:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

circe@... writes:

this is myth. this does not happen to ppl who take 50--100mg iodine/iodide,

which is recommended for hashis. iodine is the cure, not the cause.

Gracia

tyblossom@... wrote:

>

> ...I'm not really sure

> how it hurts someone with Hashi's. I mean I can't imagine that it could

add

> anymore antibodies to me.

Apparently that is exactly what it does, stimulate antibody production.

However, if your thyroid is already pretty much gone, this may not be

all that bad. Active antibodies can distort your blood tests, but the

main physiological effect will be on your thyroid. If you have

adequately replaced the gland's hormones, then additional antibodies may

not do much of anything.

OTOH, I am still a skeptic on whether iodine above 3 mg will do you any

good.

Chuck

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I might try some, but I am worried about over doing it if it can harm me. I

did read that in Japan they take in a bunch, naturally. Do you think Kelp is a

good source of iodine to try? I was just going to try salt, but I really

don't care for a lot of salt and don't want to retain water if other sources

won't make me do that. I'm pretty sure my thyroid isn't doing anything anymore.

It was over 20 years ago a doctor told me that one of my glands was dead and

the other was giving off very little. So by now, I'm guessing I'm empty of

natural. If it can only create more antibodies, then I think I'm willing to try

and see what happens. I remember when people said how bad the Atkin's diet

was and how we should eat carbs because they are so low in calories and I did

that for years to try and lose weight and then I tried Atkin's and lost

120lbs without even really trying which was totally against what the doctors

said.

Now the weight is going back on, because I have some stomach/colon mobility

problems along with the fibro where it just hurts too much to walk.

In a message dated 11/27/2008 11:21:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

tyblossom@... wrote:

>

> ...I'm not really sure

> how it hurts someone with Hashi's. I mean I can't imagine that it could add

> anymore antibodies to me.

Apparently that is exactly what it does, stimulate antibody production.

However, if your thyroid is already pretty much gone, this may not be

all that bad. Active antibodies can distort your blood tests, but the

main physiological effect will be on your thyroid. If you have

adequately replaced the gland's hormones, then additional antibodies may

not do much of anything.

OTOH, I am still a skeptic on whether iodine above 3 mg will do you any

good.

Chuck

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I have already asked in the group, but would really like your opinion on

hyperparathyroidism. I was seeing a lot about how it can cause muscle and bone

pain, dry skin. I read how it can cause weight loss, but then just read an

article on pubmed how it can cause weight gain.

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14592784_

(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14592784)

Since I don't understand a lot about the terminology and you seem so well

versed in the thyroid. I was curious if you knew much about this or if it seems

like a logical thing to ask my doctor to check. I'm pretty sure my calcium

has been checked in the past and it's been normal. I did read on a web site

though that, that is still not a way to conclude anything and that I think it's

the PTH test as well as some other tests will tell.

In a message dated 11/28/2008 9:12:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

,

You wrote:

> ... and all the other

> thyroid symptoms I have. My TSH has been raised to the upper part of the

> scale...

That may be your problem, then. TSH should be at the low end of the

reference range, or even below it with Cytomel.

Some people report flu like symptoms with active antibodies, but they

mainly go after the thyroid and exaggerate the hypoT.

Chuck

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Quite a number of those who do not do well with standard treatment

report that they do not feel well until the TSH in near or below the

bottom of the scale. The usual problem reported is getting their doctor

to provide sufficient medication to achieve this.

Luck,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@...

>

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>

> tyblossom <tyblossom>

>

>

> Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:30 pm (PST)

>

> Thanks Chuck,

>

> I just wish I understood why I still have all over body pain(fibro)

> which I

> believe is caused by my Hashi's, and my skin is so dry and all the other

> thyroid symptoms I have. My TSH has been raised to the upper part of

> the scale and

> I'm staying ok with it.

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ... and all the other

> thyroid symptoms I have. My TSH has been raised to the upper part of the

> scale...

That may be your problem, then. TSH should be at the low end of the

reference range, or even below it with Cytomel.

Some people report flu like symptoms with active antibodies, but they

mainly go after the thyroid and exaggerate the hypoT.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Well then, perhaps it's time to find a better doc:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/how-to-find-a-good-doc/

Remember it's " your " body and " your " health, not the doctors.

Sam

>

> I did have my doctor boost my medication and it had no effect on me.

I would

> have thought if that was the problem, that I would have a little

benefit. My

> doctor won't put me on armour, so I " m kind of out of luck in trying

that.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The now [in]famous reports of the Japanese taking large doses of iodine

were found to be an error. The error was caused by a misunderstanding

regarding exactly what they were taking. The researchers thought the

measure was for dry kelp, while the weights used were for wet kelp,

which is 90% water. So the Japanese were only getting one tenth the

quantity of iodine that was reported in the study.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@...

>

<mailto:tyblossom@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Goiters%20and%20the%20Great%20Lakes\

>

> tyblossom <tyblossom>

>

>

> Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:43 am (PST)

>

> I might try some, but I am worried about over doing it if it can harm

> me. I

> did read that in Japan they take in a bunch, naturally.

[Guest guest]

and :

You might have also noticed that several of those papers I posted about

iodine causing Hashimoto's were from Japan, where the " high " doses of

2-3 mg came from kelp.

Chuck

>

> The now [in]famous reports of the Japanese taking large doses of iodine

> were found to be an error. The error was caused by a misunderstanding

> regarding exactly what they were taking. The researchers thought the

> measure was for dry kelp, while the weights used were for wet kelp,

> which is 90% water. So the Japanese were only getting one tenth the

> quantity of iodine that was reported in the study.

>

>

> .

[Guest guest]

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Gracia

I might try some, but I am worried about over doing it if it can harm me. I

did read that in Japan they take in a bunch, naturally. Do you think Kelp is a

good source of iodine to try? I was just going to try salt, but I really

don't care for a lot of salt and don't want to retain water if other sources

won't make me do that. I'm pretty sure my thyroid isn't doing anything

anymore.

It was over 20 years ago a doctor told me that one of my glands was dead and

the other was giving off very little. So by now, I'm guessing I'm empty of

natural. If it can only create more antibodies, then I think I'm willing to

try

and see what happens. I remember when people said how bad the Atkin's diet

was and how we should eat carbs because they are so low in calories and I did

that for years to try and lose weight and then I tried Atkin's and lost

120lbs without even really trying which was totally against what the doctors

said.

Now the weight is going back on, because I have some stomach/colon mobility

problems along with the fibro where it just hurts too much to walk.

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[Guest guest]

Right; but IIRC the reports of the Japanese taking high doses of iodine

[supposedly with no ill effects] were supposed to be somewhat over 10

mg/day [but I'm not sure]. Anyway, I still see references very often

even though it's been some time since the information was shown to be

incorrect by a factor of 10.

Regards,

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>

> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

>

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> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:02 pm (PST)

>

> and :

>

> You might have also noticed that several of those papers I posted about

> iodine causing Hashimoto's were from Japan, where the " high " doses of

> 2-3 mg came from kelp.

>

> Chuck

>

> >

> > The now [in]famous reports of the Japanese taking large doses of iodine

> > were found to be an error. The error was caused by a misunderstanding

> > regarding exactly what they were taking. The researchers thought the

> > measure was for dry kelp, while the weights used were for wet kelp,

> > which is 90% water. So the Japanese were only getting one tenth the

> > quantity of iodine that was reported in the study.

> >

> >