Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I just join another group a recipe for healthy meals. I am mostly vegetarian and wanted some new recipes. I posted in my email that I did not want any recipes or book recommendations with soy in it since I have a thyroid problem. I get an email from a member of the group telling me that it is false that soy interfers with thyroid. I emailed her back and said it did and we got in a little arguement. She said her niece and nephew are high up docs at UCLA medical and there is no proof of that. Three emails and she said believe what you want. Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Betty, It¹s one of the ³hottest² and most controversial topics on the thryoid boards. It¹s like iodie some think it helps and others think it poison to hypo/hashis. The mayo clinic says no reason to avoid soy just don¹t take it in close proximity of the time you take your meds. My endo told me the same. She said wait 4 hours. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyperthyroidism/AN00454 And then on the other side, this menopause site says² Soy foods containing isoflavones in excess of 40mg can worsen an existing diagnosed or undiagnosed thyroid problem in many people, but the symptoms such as fatigue, weight gain, and depression or moodiness are often overlooked and hard to diagnose. http://menopausediet.com/Reports/soy4.htm From what I can tell it¹s the isoflavones, not soy itself. Anyone else? Sue On 10/6/08 9:28 AM, " Betty " <bjshamrock@...> wrote: > > > > I just join another group a recipe for healthy meals. I am mostly vegetarian > and wanted some new recipes. I posted in my email that I did not want any > recipes or book recommendations with soy in it since I have a thyroid problem. > > I get an email from a member of the group telling me that it is false that soy > interfers with thyroid. I emailed her back and said it did and we got in a > little arguement. She said her niece and nephew are high up docs at UCLA > medical and there is no proof of that. Three emails and she said believe what > you want. > > Betty > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Really, interesting! Soy is no longer an obstacle? That is good! don't know what the scientists have done exactly... Fragrance > > I just join another group a recipe for healthy meals. I am mostly vegetarian and wanted some new recipes. I posted in my email that I did not want any recipes or book recommendations with soy in it since I have a thyroid problem. > > I get an email from a member of the group telling me that it is false that soy interfers with thyroid. I emailed her back and said it did and we got in a little arguement. She said her niece and nephew are high up docs at UCLA medical and there is no proof of that. Three emails and she said believe what you want. > > Betty > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 As stated, there are two distinct arguments for this one for soy and one against it. You get decide which side of the fence you are on. As far as I know this has not changed I have read this at least the past 5 years ‹ see my previous post for links from mayo clinic saying OK and one from a menopause site saying nay. sue On 10/6/08 10:34 AM, " fragrance_seen " <fragrance_seen@...> wrote: > > > > > Really, interesting! > > Soy is no longer an obstacle? That is good! don't know what the > scientists have done exactly... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Betty- Well I went to graduate school at UCLA in the school of nursing and I know many docs and NP's that say otherwise. Soy does interfere with thyroid function. In some people it can make their hashi's worse. My own thyroid doc prudence hall says soy interferes with thyroid hormone function as it competes with receptor sites on the cells. So that it blocks the function of the thyroid hormone. Does this person have any literature to back up her statements? I will have to look for mine. Nancie -- What is it with people I just join another group a recipe for healthy meals. I am mostly vegetarian and wanted some new recipes. I posted in my email that I did not want any recipes or book recommendations with soy in it since I have a thyroid problem. I get an email from a member of the group telling me that it is false that soy interfers with thyroid. I emailed her back and said it did and we got in a little arguement. She said her niece and nephew are high up docs at UCLA medical and there is no proof of that. Three emails and she said believe what you want. Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 The problem with soy is the phytic acid. All grains have phytic acid, which is in essence an anti-nutrient, as it inhibits the absorption of nutrients in the grain or in this case soy. In the case of grains, you can soak them in water overnight, which neutralizes the phytic acid. In the case of soy, because it is so much higher in phytic acid, only fermenting will neutralize the phytic acid. Therefore, unfermented soy is not a good idea for those with thyroid dysfunction. I drank soy milk for two years, several times a day, and it was confirmed by my doctor and my test results that I had actually made myself sicker. It was the only difference in my diet, the addition of soy milk. So, after much research and definitive personal experience, I have concluded that for myself, at least, no more unfermented soy. There IS documentation of this. I am at work, so don't have it at my fingertips. My own experience was enough for ME. F. http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/ cccquilter@... http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Here's a copy of a post I made a while back. I've found 3 distinct issues with soy: 1) Goitrogenic - binds with iodine in stable compounds 2) Contains phytates - these reduce absorption of dietary minerals 3) Estrogenic - Considered to be an endocrine disruptor. Our earlier discussion was about point one. I believe it has been covered. Fermentation significantly reduces the goitrogenic properties. The phytate issue is important as well. Here are some data on that. http://www.veghealthguide.com/soy-tofu.html Cooking does reduce phytate contents; however, soy seems highly resistant to these cooking techniques. Fermentation to produce products like tempeh and miso does reduce phytate contents significantly. Tofu and bean curd remain high in phytate, as do TVP (textured vegetable protein) products. It looks like miso and tempeh are the safest ones with regards to phytates. On the third issue, the real concern isn't the phytoestrogens daidzein and genestain. Rather, it is equol, a novel antiandrogen. It is produced by the action of our intestinal bacteria on the phytoestrogens. This is not good for infants because it blocks the effects of DHT, which is very important for prepubertal sexual development in both genders. Great for guys with prostate cancer though! Here's the link on that. http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=15627582 So, in adults, moderate use of soy products containing phytoestrogens is OK. I'd have to dig a little further to find out if any cooking or other processing removes the phytoestrogens, but they are good for managing your lipid profile. Good health! -Mike > > I just join another group a recipe for healthy meals. I am mostly vegetarian and wanted some new recipes. I posted in my email that I did not want any recipes or book recommendations with soy in it since I have a thyroid problem. > > I get an email from a member of the group telling me that it is false that soy interfers with thyroid. I emailed her back and said it did and we got in a little arguement. She said her niece and nephew are high up docs at UCLA medical and there is no proof of that. Three emails and she said believe what you want. > > Betty > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 If you had as many millions of dollars to spend on the effort as big soy agribusiness has then you could convince some people that down is up. .. .. > > Posted by: " eastodurango@... " > eastodurango@... > <mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20is%20it%20with%20pe\ ople> > jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111> > > > Mon Oct 6, 2008 11:14 am (PDT) > > As stated, there are two distinct arguments for this one for soy and one > against it. > You get decide which side of the fence you are on. > As far as I know this has not changed I have read this at least the > past 5 > years ‹ see my previous post for links from mayo clinic saying OK and one > from a menopause site saying nay. > > sue > > On 10/6/08 10:34 AM, " fragrance_seen " <fragrance_seen@... > <mailto:fragrance_seen%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Really, interesting! > > > > Soy is no longer an obstacle? That is good! don't know what the > > scientists have done exactly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I think it makes a better bio fuel for my truck than my body. There are better vegan protein sources out there, and other sources of phytoestrogens. I do still like miso, wheat free tamari and some tempeh products, but not these other weird things that they make out of soy. These are very traditional fermented products with very reduced phytates, nothing unnatural like TVP, soy milk and tofurkey. -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really, interesting! > > > > > > Soy is no longer an obstacle? That is good! don't know what the > > > scientists have done exactly... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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