Re:Electronic/Electrical was: Addicted to love

[Guest guest]

Yep...I experienced similar situations more times than I can count,

usually only once with the same individual...I didn't waste time

arguing; I had too many responsibilities; I'd just tell the

individual, 'this is what's wrong'...if they didn't believe me, and

didn't want to test my recommended solution, but preferred to try

other things instead, I'd just say, 'well, when you're ready, give me

a call' and I'd leave.

Once though, I was called onto the production floor...the EE didn't

believe me after I'd looked the situation over, studied the print-out

of the production test results from the test the product had just

failed...I knew it was a bad CT, (a type of inductor), specifically

the center one. He pointed out that it had passed that test, to which

I replied, 'this one wasn't tested on 'that' test.' He didn't want to

tear the product down to the point it would require to change out the

bad component, unless there really was absolutely no other

alternative. I did explain to him why it passed the test he was

referring to, and that if he wanted, he could tear it down just far

enough to retest it, but I could make a temporary modification to the

test so the center CT could be tested without being removed. He

wanted to think about it, so I went back to my job. An couple hours

later he called me back and said, we've got it torn down and I'm ready

for you; I haven't been able to come up with anything else, so even

though I think you're wrong, I'm out of alternatives. In my x number

of years, I've 'never' seen one of these be bad!' I made the

modification and we ran the test, which of course confirmed my

diagnosis and he never questioned me again. In fact, from then on, he

always said, 'if says this is what's wrong, rest assured, this

is what's wrong...just do what she says so we can keep going.'

....once most EEs realized how much 'real life' knowledge I had,

especially of our already existing products, they took my word for it

that I was right...since another one of my responsibilities was EDRC

(Electronic Design Returns Coordinator) as well as backup

support/substitute EPLS (Electronic Production Line Support), I had to

know our products inside and out...I drove corrective action clear

down to the component level...i.e. Motorola, Siemens et.al. ...I drove

corrective action to board suppliers...I drove corrective action to

electronic development (my team). I had the rep...'When you see

coming, you know things are going to change...and *always* for the

better!' (I overheard some engineers saying this one day!) Even the

manager of the Quality Control department would pass me off as an

engineer to get action taken on the problems I identified when they

were out-of-house.

Regarding the differences between educations...? I spent 5 semesters,

taking 18 credits per semester, (1 semester, the summer--10 weeks

instead of 16--was only 15 credits, but if you do the math, it was

even more intense than the other 4 semesters) not only designing my

own circuits, but then building, testing, and redesigning if and as

necessary...the EEs OTOH, studied the theory, maybe applied the theory

in some cases by creating their own designs, but they never built them

to find out whether their designs proved true to their theories...

A couple of them readily admitted that although they'd had 4 years of

college, the first 2 were almost entirely dedicated to 'liberal arts'

stuff, and then they got into the classes related to their specialty,

and, even then, only about 12 credits per semester:

When we did the math...I had 87 credits, 10 were 'liberal arts' type,

leaving 77 science/electronic...

They averaged...96 credits, 1/2 liberal, leaving approx. 48

science/electronic...and signing on with our company and team, was

usually the first they'd actually even seen an electronics lab...even

after they'd been there quite some time, it still seemed rather ironic

when they couldn't get an oscilloscope to work properly for them and

I'd have to 'set it up right'...lol

> ...More than once it amazed me the level of knowledge

> they did not possess, even though they were in fact intelligent and

well

> educated.

>

> I once had an argument with two engineers on a job. I knew they were

> wrong, but after they both repeatedly insisted I was wrong I just shut

> up and let it ride. To his credit one of them came to me the next day

> and told me that after thinking it over he had decided that I obviously

> was correct. To me the funny thing was that it wasn't some esoteric

> principle; it was so basic I really couldn't understand how someone

with

> a degree in electrical engineering could fail to grasp it.

>

> Regards,

>

>

> > .I trained several

> > 'engineers' fresh out of college that didn't even know what most of

> > the components looked like.

>

[Guest guest]

It's obvious your education and experience in the field are a quantum

jump above mine. I don't think I'd want to debate either theory or

application with you...

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> Regarding the differences between educations..

> .? I spent 5 semesters,

> taking 18 credits per semester, (1 semester, the summer--10 weeks

> instead of 16--was only 15 credits, but if you do the math, it was

> even more intense than the other 4 semesters) not only designing my

> own circuits, but then building, testing, and redesigning if and as

> necessary...the EEs OTOH, studied the theory, maybe applied the theory

> in some cases by creating their own designs, but they never built them

> to find out whether their designs proved true to their theories...

[Guest guest]

teehee...for our last semester project, we were suppose to partner up

with someone...nobody else wanted to take on the most difficult option

given us for a project, but it was the only one I was interested in

doing...my professor, after much discussion and persuasion, finally

agreed to let me take it on alone...but also said he wouldn't cut me

any slack...I Aced it! ;-) It was actually the only project that

allowed me the opportunity to pull together both sides of my

education...the analog and the digital...(a big reason my professor

didn't want to let me take this one on alone was because he knew next

to nothing about digital stuff and my digital professor knew next to

nothing about analog, so I truly was on my own)...I lived on about 2

hours of sleep a night for most of that semester, and still came out

2nd in my class--the girl who was top in the class was single, no kids

or responsibilities and had advanced calculus classes...I didn't take

calculus until a couple years after I graduated...I had a husband and

4 kids, 2 of them toddlers...1 y/o and 3 y/o...and I commuted 2 hours

per day, while she lived right in town!

alright...enough already...yes, I am proud of many of my

accomplishments...I am also angry that I am being under-treated for my

thyroid condition & especially angry that as a result it is impacting

my mental facilities! :-(

>

> It's obvious your education and experience in the field are a quantum

> jump above mine. I don't think I'd want to debate either theory or

> application with you...

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