Self service can be more effective and efficient than full service. Re: Re: I know there was a lot of talk about iodine

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Chuck B wrote:

> Steve,

>

> You wrote:

>>

>> ... Using TSH to dose any form of thyroid medication with wanton disregard

>> to the patients subjective experiences, physical symptoms, and

>> measurable information like body temperature, is the current

>> " scientific " approach....

>

> That has certainly not been my experience, nor would it be one I would

> recommend.

>

> Chuck

That seems to be clearly the experience of most of the people on this

list and several other thyroid related lists I'm on who report that they

are feeling a lot better on a higher thyroid prescription, but that

their TSH has gone too low for their doctor's comfort, so HE is REDUCING

their thyroid meds which result in the return of hypo symptoms, symptoms

which their doctor ignores since he assumes that they cannot be hypo

with a TSH that is too low in the doctor's opinion and/or below the

particular lab of choice's reference range. These doctors will no

prescribe to symptoms when TSH is within range, a dubious protocol at best.

I'm dosing to symptoms particularly basal temperature rate and average

daily body temperature taking three times daily several hours apart. If

TSH were to be used, my TSH after a course of Iodine was 1.572, a level

most doctors would consider normal and they most likely would ignore the

other symptoms of hypo that I have. Without taking iodine, my TSH was

2.1, still too low to treat for most doctors.

I'm tracking all of this in a spreadsheet. Here's a web page upload of

one of the graphs.

http://www.basicmail.net/dudescholar/BasalCortisolT3.htm

As you can see, the cortisol appeared to stabilize my basal temperature

rates with the exception of catching two colds (11/20, 12/2) - I have

four children living at home and several grand children so we get to

share all the virus that go around. (I'm still younger than 50 with

grandchildren.)

The T3 dose I'm taking (my rt3 was high normal, again not something most

doctors would test for let alone treat) would render me hyper if I was

otherwise normal since I started this protocol with a TSH at 1.572.

Since T3 has a half life of 16 hours, this should quickly have an

effect. I'm just making the attempt to start titrating up to 100

mcg/day from 75 mcg/day, a dose I'll be on for several weeks to see

where my temperatures stabilize at.

I would like to know if you think any doctor would agree to continue my

current path? I'm convinced that MOST doctors and ALL endos would

refuse to treat, let alone prescribe. They have a reference range for

" basal " rate no doubt and would consider my low numbers within their

particular reference range. In most cases it seems, a doctor treating

thyroid issues is like a car salesman who tells you which car you have

to buy and gets to collect his profit regardless on how you follow his

advise.

My plan is to stabilize my basal rate to normal hopefully with NO signs

of hyper, we'll see, and then make a transition to Armour or similar

preparation, stabilize on that and then titrate my cortisol down to

zero. Then, and only then perhaps, I'll approach a physician and give

him some of the details of my new " medical history " .

The graph above is only part of what I'm tracking. I have a whole rack

of health symptoms and drugs I take that I hope will be eliminated, like

a protein pump inhibitor, insomnia meds, high untreatable homocysteine,

high cholesterol, perhaps even blood pressure meds (which have already

been cut 25% after 75 mcg of T3, blood pressure after the cut was

110/70), etc. My weight is starting to drop slowly along with the

increased basal rate which bothers me not one wit. My only concern

right now is that my temperature peeks between 2 and 5 PM at which point

I crash to exhaustion for a couple of hours. This has improved some on

the T3 but there is still a lot more improvement available.

Nevertheless, I feel a lot better, motivation is improved, and

accomplishments are rising quickly including a dramatic increase in income.

Now, today, I can order my own lab work and order my own meds. If that

wasn't the case, I'd be in a heap of trouble getting my health taking

care of.

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[Guest guest]

Steve,

You wrote:

>

>

> ... Since T3 has a half life of 16 hours, this should quickly have an

> effect....

I hope this number is not critical for your protocol, since it is

incorrect. The shortest T3 half life measured in humans is 24 hours. The

longest was over three days (in a hypoT patient). Any number shorter

than 24 hours was measured in an animal.

I am quite sure about this, since I went through a literature search

about two months ago. The problem is that that the very earliest

measurements of T3 half life were made in rats and dogs, so many doctors

today report the value for critters as universal, when humans are fairly

unique.

> I would like to know if you think any doctor would agree to continue my

> current path? I'm convinced that MOST doctors and ALL endos would

> refuse to treat, let alone prescribe...

Probably a majority of doctors and most endos. I have read about

exceptions for each, but not many for the endos.

It does indeed sound like a drug interference problem, although I could

not begin to suggest what to cut first. You are probably right in

getting rid of as much as possible and then added back what is needed later.

Chuck

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Chuck B wrote:

> Steve,

>

> You wrote:

>>

>> ... Since T3 has a half life of 16 hours, this should quickly have an

>> effect....

>

> I hope this number is not critical for your protocol, since it is

> incorrect. The shortest T3 half life measured in humans is 24 hours. The

> longest was over three days (in a hypoT patient). Any number shorter

> than 24 hours was measured in an animal.

>

> I am quite sure about this, since I went through a literature search

> about two months ago. The problem is that that the very earliest

> measurements of T3 half life were made in rats and dogs, so many doctors

> today report the value for critters as universal, when humans are fairly

> unique.

Good to know. I've seen several numbers reported variously but hadn't

done the necessary digging. Time to do some more homework.

>> I would like to know if you think any doctor would agree to continue my

>> current path? I'm convinced that MOST doctors and ALL endos would

>> refuse to treat, let alone prescribe...

>

> Probably a majority of doctors and most endos. I have read about

> exceptions for each, but not many for the endos.

>

> It does indeed sound like a drug interference problem, although I could

> not begin to suggest what to cut first. You are probably right in

> getting rid of as much as possible and then added back what is needed later.

>

> Chuck

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