Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 I¹ll see your two and raise you a wink. sue On 9/26/08 2:54 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote: > > > > i forgot to put a smiley face after that post so here is two :) > > > >> > Perhaps the reason that only 2-3 people said anything during the >> mud-slinging >> > situation was that the rest agreed with me. >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 You guts are getting too funny and out of control. I neer said any of what you guys are arguging. I SIMPLY and POLITELY began this thread with MY opinion that suggesting to a sick person to " SELF TREAT AND BUY DRUGS ONLINE " is not a good thing. If you don't get it, you don't get it, so fight amonst yourselves, really. You are just being abusive now. sue On 9/26/08 2:58 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote: > Sue, > > You don't have to be a lawyer to know the law....in my profession identifying > liability is essential and from my experience, what you stated regarding > Nancie Sue being " liable " if an investigation were to occur is incorrect. > > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, the other option is to either get another provider say in >>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>> medicine or treat yourself by ordering online from an overseas >>>>>>> company. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- Comments? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I need input on the issues in this conversation. .. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> I want to change to Armour Thyroid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor >>>>>>>>>>> - Oooooooh! Why? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> T3, T4, T2, T1, Calcitonin. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> Either that or Westhroid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> I don't typically switch and I don't typically use Armour. In >>>>>>>>>>> larger part the problem is that its desiccated pork, pig & cow >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid. The problem with it is that pigs and cows make a lot more >>>>>>>>>>> T3 than people and I may get a skewed point of view because I see >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> people who don't do well on it but I end up with a lot of patients >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> T3 toxicosis because they get way too much T3 and not enough T4 and >>>>>>>>>>> they end up hyper thyroid on Armour. I'm not a big fan of Armour. >>>>>>>>>>> Your level is improving certainly here. (Referring to last TSH). >>>>>>>>>>> Humans are designed that their body's convert T4 to T3 that's how >>>>>>>>>>> it works. Supplementing with T3 has been hugely controversial and >>>>>>>>>>> has been for decades. Some people do it some people don't. There's >>>>>>>>>>> no good evidence that suggest its better one way or the other, >>>>>>>>>>> essentially everything is tied as far as everything goes. >>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend switching you. Because once you get on a >>>>>>>>>>> good dose…the problem is that you've just not been on the right dose >>>>>>>>>>> of levothyroxin and your getting there and the last increase from >>>>>>>>>>> 150 >>>>>>>>>>> to 175mcg/day …that was a good adjustment and I would just leave it >>>>>>>>>>> here. You don't feel well because you haven't been normal thyroid >>>>>>>>>>> for months. It's not lack of T3 that's making you not feel well, >>>>>>>>>>> it's a lack of thyroid hormones in general that you don't feel well. >>>>>>>>>>> And not that I don't have patients that do well on Armour, I don't >>>>>>>>>>> have that many but I have a few. The problem is long term that it >>>>>>>>>>> tends to not be as stable, it's not as stable from batch to batch, >>>>>>>>>>> as to how much pig or how much cow, and you end up with lots of >>>>>>>>>>> adjustments in you dose. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> What about another brand, like Westhroid? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with levothyroxin? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> I've joined a couple thyroid support groups and the general >>>>>>>>>>> consensus is that natural desiccated thyroid is the way to go. I >>>>>>>>>>> just want to feel the best that I can feel, lose wt. and get on with >>>>>>>>>>> my life. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you just haven't been on the right amount yet. >>>>>>>>>>> It's not the medication…it' s the dose. Now if you prefer to take >>>>>>>>>>> brand-name Synthroid …I don't have a problem with that but switching >>>>>>>>>>> to a less stable medication is just going to complicate things >>>>>>>>>>> potentially. it's not a guarantee, but potentially its just going >>>>>>>>>>> to complicate things down the road. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All those support groups are all, quote, natural. They recommend >>>>>>>>>>> natural. It's my joke that if it's natural for a pig or a cow it's >>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily natural if you're a human being. Actually synthetic >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid hormone is chemically, actually closer to what we make than >>>>>>>>>>> what is in the desiccated thyroid as the amount of hormone can vary >>>>>>>>>>> from batch to batch significantly and you won't feel any better from >>>>>>>>>>> that than you would if you were chronically low. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> These groups also say that natural being on desiccated thyroid, one >>>>>>>>>>> will see that cholesterol will be more under control and that >>>>>>>>>>> depression that goes along with thyroid problems will disappear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> The issue with depression and thyroid, again, is that if your >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid >>>>>>>>>>> levels are normal the depression is not related to a thyroid cause. >>>>>>>>>>> There is something that they call T3 euphoria and then again >>>>>>>>>>> typically people end up a little hyperthyroid. They do feel less >>>>>>>>>>> depressed. The problem with that is that also tends to increase your >>>>>>>>>>> risk for atrial fibrillation which creates conditions where you >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> have a stroke –or- it can thin your bones and you can end up with >>>>>>>>>>> osteoporosis. >>>>>>>>>>> A lot of these thyroid groups…well read what you want, but read with >>>>>>>>>>> a grain of salt. >>>>>>>>>>> If your TSH is between 1-3 and you still have depression, it's not >>>>>>>>>>> from hypothyroidism. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is technically a difference between brand Synthroid and >>>>>>>>>>> generic >>>>>>>>>>> levothyroxin. The brand is more stable and gives you a more stable >>>>>>>>>>> amount of hormone in each pill. So if you want, I'll give you brand >>>>>>>>>>> either levothyroxin or levoxil , knowing that it's a little more >>>>>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Matt, Let's stop with the scenarios - I know there are folks on here who understand the intent of my message. Those who don't... Let it drop. Thanks. On 9/26/08 3:06 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote: > Since I am not a lawyer, apparently my knowledge on the law is not > credible. Since none of you are doctors, does that mean your knowledge on > hypothyroidism is not credible? It is not humanly possible for someone who is > not a doctor has any sort of knowledge on health issues is it? (he-he) > > > > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, the other option is to either > get another provider say in >>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>> medicine or treat yourself by ordering > online from an overseas >>>>>>> company. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- Comments? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I need input on the issues in this > conversation. .. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> I want to change to Armour Thyroid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor >>>>>>>>>>> - Oooooooh! Why? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> T3, T4, T2, T1, Calcitonin. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> Either that or Westhroid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> I don't typically switch and I > don't typically use Armour. In >>>>>>>>>>> larger part the problem is that its > desiccated pork, pig & cow >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid. The problem with it is that > pigs and cows make a lot more >>>>>>>>>>> T3 than people and I may get a skewed > point of view because I see the >>>>>>>>>>> people who don't do well on it but > I end up with a lot of patients in >>>>>>>>>>> T3 toxicosis because they get way too > much T3 and not enough T4 and >>>>>>>>>>> they end up hyper thyroid on Armour. > I'm not a big fan of Armour. >>>>>>>>>>> Your level is improving certainly > here. (Referring to last TSH). >>>>>>>>>>> Humans are designed that their > body's convert T4 to T3 that's how >>>>>>>>>>> it works. Supplementing with T3 has > been hugely controversial and >>>>>>>>>>> has been for decades. Some people do > it some people don't. There's >>>>>>>>>>> no good evidence that suggest its > better one way or the other, >>>>>>>>>>> essentially everything is tied as far > as everything goes. >>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend switching > you. Because once you get on a >>>>>>>>>>> good dose…the problem is that > you've just not been on the right dose >>>>>>>>>>> of levothyroxin and your getting there > and the last increase from 150 >>>>>>>>>>> to 175mcg/day …that was a good > adjustment and I would just leave it >>>>>>>>>>> here. You don't feel well because > you haven't been normal thyroid >>>>>>>>>>> for months. It's not lack of T3 > that's making you not feel well, >>>>>>>>>>> it's a lack of thyroid hormones in > general that you don't feel well. >>>>>>>>>>> And not that I don't have patients > that do well on Armour, I don't >>>>>>>>>>> have that many but I have a few. The > problem is long term that it >>>>>>>>>>> tends to not be as stable, it's > not as stable from batch to batch, >>>>>>>>>>> as to how much pig or how much cow, > and you end up with lots of >>>>>>>>>>> adjustments in you dose. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> What about another brand, like > Westhroid? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with levothyroxin? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> I've joined a couple thyroid > support groups and the general >>>>>>>>>>> consensus is that natural desiccated > thyroid is the way to go. I >>>>>>>>>>> just want to feel the best that I can > feel, lose wt. and get on with >>>>>>>>>>> my life. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you just > haven't been on the right amount yet. >>>>>>>>>>> It's not the medication…it' > s the dose. Now if you prefer to take >>>>>>>>>>> brand-name Synthroid …I don't > have a problem with that but switching >>>>>>>>>>> to a less stable medication is just > going to complicate things >>>>>>>>>>> potentially. it's not a guarantee, > but potentially its just going >>>>>>>>>>> to complicate things down the road. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All those support groups are all, > quote, natural. They recommend >>>>>>>>>>> natural. It's my joke that if > it's natural for a pig or a cow it's >>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily natural if you're > a human being. Actually synthetic >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid hormone is chemically, > actually closer to what we make than >>>>>>>>>>> what is in the desiccated thyroid as > the amount of hormone can vary >>>>>>>>>>> from batch to batch significantly and > you won't feel any better from >>>>>>>>>>> that than you would if you were > chronically low. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> These groups also say that natural > being on desiccated thyroid, one >>>>>>>>>>> will see that cholesterol will be more > under control and that >>>>>>>>>>> depression that goes along with > thyroid problems will disappear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> The issue with depression and thyroid, > again, is that if your thyroid >>>>>>>>>>> levels are normal the depression is > not related to a thyroid cause. >>>>>>>>>>> There is something that they call T3 > euphoria and then again >>>>>>>>>>> typically people end up a little > hyperthyroid. They do feel less >>>>>>>>>>> depressed. The problem with that is > that also tends to increase your >>>>>>>>>>> risk for atrial fibrillation which > creates conditions where you could >>>>>>>>>>> have a stroke –or- it can thin your > bones and you can end up with >>>>>>>>>>> osteoporosis. >>>>>>>>>>> A lot of these thyroid groups…well > read what you want, but read with >>>>>>>>>>> a grain of salt. >>>>>>>>>>> If your TSH is between 1-3 and you > still have depression, it's not >>>>>>>>>>> from hypothyroidism. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is technically a difference > between brand Synthroid and generic >>>>>>>>>>> levothyroxin. The brand is more stable > and gives you a more stable >>>>>>>>>>> amount of hormone in each pill. So if > you want, I'll give you brand >>>>>>>>>>> either levothyroxin or levoxil , > knowing that it's a little more >>>>>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Remember that old saying if your friends jump off the bridge would you? That's what is going on here. However, this bridge may not be so bad for you. CW -- Re: Comments? > > Nancie, > We are not ³treating² our offspring here on a PUBLIC > forum when we suggest the members SELF TREAT and BUY DRUGS ONLINE overseas > > Big Difference. > > I hope you will realize my intent here. > Was never to start a fight though healthy debate is, well, healthy. > > I just don¹t think anyone should ever ever ever > SUGGEST or ADVISE another person to buy drugs online overseas and start > self-treating. > > Even if you do it. > Even if 100 others do it. > > People suggest things with the thought/hope > in mind that others will take heed and do what they suggest. > > N¹ecst pas? > > Sue > > On 9/26/08 10:46 AM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > There is no liability in any way because there is something called >> > individual responsibility and all I did was provide OPTIONS. I didn't tie >> > her down and force her, lol >> > BTW all of us here have self-treated ourselves all the time whenever we >> > take an over the counter medication, supplement or hormone without a >> > prescription! And that goes for when we self-treat our kids! That is >> > something that sue won't concede. >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Sue, you explicitly said in a past post that " if an investigation were to occur and they found these messages in your email you would get in trouble " That was the only part of what you said that i don't agree with. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, the other option is to either get another provider say in >>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>> medicine or treat yourself by ordering online from an overseas >>>>>>> company. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- Comments? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I need input on the issues in this conversation. .. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> I want to change to Armour Thyroid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor >>>>>>>>>>> - Oooooooh! Why? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> T3, T4, T2, T1, Calcitonin. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> Either that or Westhroid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> I don't typically switch and I don't typically use Armour. In >>>>>>>>>>> larger part the problem is that its desiccated pork, pig & cow >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid. The problem with it is that pigs and cows make a lot more >>>>>>>>>>> T3 than people and I may get a skewed point of view because I see >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> people who don't do well on it but I end up with a lot of patients >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> T3 toxicosis because they get way too much T3 and not enough T4 and >>>>>>>>>>> they end up hyper thyroid on Armour. I'm not a big fan of Armour. >>>>>>>>>>> Your level is improving certainly here. (Referring to last TSH). >>>>>>>>>>> Humans are designed that their body's convert T4 to T3 that's how >>>>>>>>>>> it works. Supplementing with T3 has been hugely controversial and >>>>>>>>>>> has been for decades. Some people do it some people don't. There's >>>>>>>>>>> no good evidence that suggest its better one way or the other, >>>>>>>>>>> essentially everything is tied as far as everything goes. >>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend switching you. Because once you get on a >>>>>>>>>>> good dose…the problem is that you've just not been on the right dose >>>>>>>>>>> of levothyroxin and your getting there and the last increase from >>>>>>>>>>> 150 >>>>>>>>>>> to 175mcg/day …that was a good adjustment and I would just leave it >>>>>>>>>>> here. You don't feel well because you haven't been normal thyroid >>>>>>>>>>> for months. It's not lack of T3 that's making you not feel well, >>>>>>>>>>> it's a lack of thyroid hormones in general that you don't feel well. >>>>>>>>>>> And not that I don't have patients that do well on Armour, I don't >>>>>>>>>>> have that many but I have a few. The problem is long term that it >>>>>>>>>>> tends to not be as stable, it's not as stable from batch to batch, >>>>>>>>>>> as to how much pig or how much cow, and you end up with lots of >>>>>>>>>>> adjustments in you dose. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> What about another brand, like Westhroid? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with levothyroxin? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> I've joined a couple thyroid support groups and the general >>>>>>>>>>> consensus is that natural desiccated thyroid is the way to go. I >>>>>>>>>>> just want to feel the best that I can feel, lose wt. and get on with >>>>>>>>>>> my life. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you just haven't been on the right amount yet. >>>>>>>>>>> It's not the medication…it' s the dose. Now if you prefer to take >>>>>>>>>>> brand-name Synthroid …I don't have a problem with that but switching >>>>>>>>>>> to a less stable medication is just going to complicate things >>>>>>>>>>> potentially. it's not a guarantee, but potentially its just going >>>>>>>>>>> to complicate things down the road. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All those support groups are all, quote, natural. They recommend >>>>>>>>>>> natural. It's my joke that if it's natural for a pig or a cow it's >>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily natural if you're a human being. Actually synthetic >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid hormone is chemically, actually closer to what we make than >>>>>>>>>>> what is in the desiccated thyroid as the amount of hormone can vary >>>>>>>>>>> from batch to batch significantly and you won't feel any better from >>>>>>>>>>> that than you would if you were chronically low. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me- >>>>>>>>>>> These groups also say that natural being on desiccated thyroid, one >>>>>>>>>>> will see that cholesterol will be more under control and that >>>>>>>>>>> depression that goes along with thyroid problems will disappear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- >>>>>>>>>>> The issue with depression and thyroid, again, is that if your >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid >>>>>>>>>>> levels are normal the depression is not related to a thyroid cause. >>>>>>>>>>> There is something that they call T3 euphoria and then again >>>>>>>>>>> typically people end up a little hyperthyroid. They do feel less >>>>>>>>>>> depressed. The problem with that is that also tends to increase your >>>>>>>>>>> risk for atrial fibrillation which creates conditions where you >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> have a stroke –or- it can thin your bones and you can end up with >>>>>>>>>>> osteoporosis. >>>>>>>>>>> A lot of these thyroid groups…well read what you want, but read with >>>>>>>>>>> a grain of salt. >>>>>>>>>>> If your TSH is between 1-3 and you still have depression, it's not >>>>>>>>>>> from hypothyroidism. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is technically a difference between brand Synthroid and >>>>>>>>>>> generic >>>>>>>>>>> levothyroxin. The brand is more stable and gives you a more stable >>>>>>>>>>> amount of hormone in each pill. So if you want, I'll give you brand >>>>>>>>>>> either levothyroxin or levoxil , knowing that it's a little more >>>>>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 In a civil [liability] case you can NEVER be sure what a judge/jury is going to do. .. .. > > Posted by: " Comerford " cumocumocumo@... > <mailto:cumocumocumo@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Comments%3F> > cumocumocumo <cumocumocumo> > > > Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:58 pm (PDT) > > Sue, > > You don't have to be a lawyer to know the law....in my profession > identifying liability is essential and from my experience, what you > stated regarding Nancie Sue being " liable " if an investigation were to > occur is incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Does that mean I get out of time out??? [ggg] .. .. > Posted by: " eastodurango@... " > eastodurango@... > <mailto:eastodurango@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Comments%3F> > jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111> > > > Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:25 pm (PDT) > > CW. > > Chill out and go to time out right now. > > That¹s my Rx for you. > > sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 - It doesn't even meet the level of criteria. The whole thing is so idiotic. I come from a family of lawyers and I can tell you now that the whole thing would be laughed out of court. It is bloody NUTS -- Re: Comments? In a civil [liability] case you can NEVER be sure what a judge/jury is going to do. .. .. > > Posted by: " Comerford " cumocumocumo@... > <mailto:cumocumocumo@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Comments%3F> > cumocumocumo <cumocumocumo> > > > Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:58 pm (PDT) > > Sue, > > You don't have to be a lawyer to know the law....in my profession > identifying liability is essential and from my experience, what you > stated regarding Nancie Sue being " liable " if an investigation were to > occur is incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 You really have lost it CW. This whole thing got blown out of proportion but that¹s status quo for this board. Sue On 9/26/08 6:17 PM, " Crystal " <sweetnwright@...> wrote: > > > > Remember that old saying if your friends jump off the bridge would you? > That's what is going on here. However, this bridge may not be so bad for > you. > CW > -- Re: Comments? >> > >> > Nancie, >> > We are not ³treating² our offspring here on a PUBLIC >> > forum when we suggest the members SELF TREAT and BUY DRUGS ONLINE overseas > >> > >> > Big Difference. >> > >> > I hope you will realize my intent here. >> > Was never to start a fight though healthy debate is, well, healthy. >> > >> > I just don¹t think anyone should ever ever ever >> > SUGGEST or ADVISE another person to buy drugs online overseas and start >> > self-treating. >> > >> > Even if you do it. >> > Even if 100 others do it. >> > >> > People suggest things with the thought/hope >> > in mind that others will take heed and do what they suggest. >> > >> > N¹ecst pas? >> > >> > Sue >> > >> > On 9/26/08 10:46 AM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@... >> <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com> >> > <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com> > wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > There is no liability in any way because there is something called >>>> >> > individual responsibility and all I did was provide OPTIONS. I didn't > tie >>>> >> > her down and force her, lol >>>> >> > BTW all of us here have self-treated ourselves all the time whenever we >>>> >> > take an over the counter medication, supplement or hormone without a >>>> >> > prescription! And that goes for when we self-treat our kids! That is >>>> >> > something that sue won't concede. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 You misquote me Matt, I said " can just see the investigation now when they find your email in someone¹s inbox if something were to go wrong afterthey took your advice. " I don't know if you have kids, but imagine it's your daughter, online, on this group, not trusting doctors, no one to turn to. She comes here to ask for help and starts self treating and ordering drugs online overseas. You see this on her computer. That's all I was alluding to. I have kids. One has hypoT and he's 20. He once wanted to buy some herbs to help with another problem he had but his better sense got the better of him and he did come to me -- we are not all responsible mature adults when it comes to our health (or other matters) and sometimes desparate people do desparate things and my heart goes out them. Sometimes I do have gut reactions - as a mom and not just a " poster on an annoymous board " and I will be the first to admit I am emotionally charged from the serious health issues in my family and this is a touchy subject for me. Sue On 9/26/08 6:32 PM, " Comerford " <cumocumocumo@...> wrote: > Sue, you explicitly said in a past post that " if an investigation were to > occur and they found these messages in your email you would get in trouble " > That was the only part of what you said that i don't agree with. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the other option is to either get another provider say in > >>>>>>>> natural > >>>>>>>>>>>> medicine or treat yourself by ordering online from an overseas > >>>>>>>> company. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Comments? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I need input on the issues in this conversation. .. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Me- > >>>>>>>>>>>> I want to change to Armour Thyroid. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doctor > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Oooooooh! Why? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Me- > >>>>>>>>>>>> T3, T4, T2, T1, Calcitonin. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh* > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Me- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Either that or Westhroid. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- > >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't typically switch and I don't typically use Armour. In > >>>>>>>>>>>> larger part the problem is that its desiccated pork, pig & cow > >>>>>>>>>>>> thyroid. The problem with it is that pigs and cows make a lot more > >>>>>>>>>>>> T3 than people and I may get a skewed point of view because I see > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> people who don't do well on it but I end up with a lot of patients > >>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>> T3 toxicosis because they get way too much T3 and not enough T4 and > >>>>>>>>>>>> they end up hyper thyroid on Armour. I'm not a big fan of Armour. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Your level is improving certainly here. (Referring to last TSH). > >>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are designed that their body's convert T4 to T3 that's how > >>>>>>>>>>>> it works. Supplementing with T3 has been hugely controversial and > >>>>>>>>>>>> has been for decades. Some people do it some people don't. There's > >>>>>>>>>>>> no good evidence that suggest its better one way or the other, > >>>>>>>>>>>> essentially everything is tied as far as everything goes. > >>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend switching you. Because once you get on a > >>>>>>>>>>>> good dose…the problem is that you've just not been on the right >>>>>>>>>>>> dose > >>>>>>>>>>>> of levothyroxin and your getting there and the last increase from > >>>>>>>>>>>> 150 > >>>>>>>>>>>> to 175mcg/day …that was a good adjustment and I would just leave it > >>>>>>>>>>>> here. You don't feel well because you haven't been normal thyroid > >>>>>>>>>>>> for months. It's not lack of T3 that's making you not feel well, > >>>>>>>>>>>> it's a lack of thyroid hormones in general that you don't feel >>>>>>>>>>>> well. > >>>>>>>>>>>> And not that I don't have patients that do well on Armour, I don't > >>>>>>>>>>>> have that many but I have a few. The problem is long term that it > >>>>>>>>>>>> tends to not be as stable, it's not as stable from batch to batch, > >>>>>>>>>>>> as to how much pig or how much cow, and you end up with lots of > >>>>>>>>>>>> adjustments in you dose. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Me- > >>>>>>>>>>>> What about another brand, like Westhroid? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with levothyroxin? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Me- > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've joined a couple thyroid support groups and the general > >>>>>>>>>>>> consensus is that natural desiccated thyroid is the way to go. I > >>>>>>>>>>>> just want to feel the best that I can feel, lose wt. and get on >>>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>>> my life. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- > >>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you just haven't been on the right amount yet. > >>>>>>>>>>>> It's not the medication…it' s the dose. Now if you prefer to take > >>>>>>>>>>>> brand-name Synthroid …I don't have a problem with that but >>>>>>>>>>>> switching > >>>>>>>>>>>> to a less stable medication is just going to complicate things > >>>>>>>>>>>> potentially. it's not a guarantee, but potentially its just going > >>>>>>>>>>>> to complicate things down the road. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> All those support groups are all, quote, natural. They recommend > >>>>>>>>>>>> natural. It's my joke that if it's natural for a pig or a cow it's > >>>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily natural if you're a human being. Actually synthetic > >>>>>>>>>>>> thyroid hormone is chemically, actually closer to what we make than > >>>>>>>>>>>> what is in the desiccated thyroid as the amount of hormone can vary > >>>>>>>>>>>> from batch to batch significantly and you won't feel any better >>>>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>>> that than you would if you were chronically low. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Me- > >>>>>>>>>>>> These groups also say that natural being on desiccated thyroid, one > >>>>>>>>>>>> will see that cholesterol will be more under control and that > >>>>>>>>>>>> depression that goes along with thyroid problems will disappear. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doctor- > >>>>>>>>>>>> The issue with depression and thyroid, again, is that if your > >>>>>>>>>>>> thyroid > >>>>>>>>>>>> levels are normal the depression is not related to a thyroid cause. > >>>>>>>>>>>> There is something that they call T3 euphoria and then again > >>>>>>>>>>>> typically people end up a little hyperthyroid. They do feel less > >>>>>>>>>>>> depressed. The problem with that is that also tends to increase >>>>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>>>> risk for atrial fibrillation which creates conditions where you > >>>>>>>>>>>> could > >>>>>>>>>>>> have a stroke –or- it can thin your bones and you can end up with > >>>>>>>>>>>> osteoporosis. > >>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of these thyroid groups…well read what you want, but read >>>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>>> a grain of salt. > >>>>>>>>>>>> If your TSH is between 1-3 and you still have depression, it's not > >>>>>>>>>>>> from hypothyroidism. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There is technically a difference between brand Synthroid and > >>>>>>>>>>>> generic > >>>>>>>>>>>> levothyroxin. The brand is more stable and gives you a more stable > >>>>>>>>>>>> amount of hormone in each pill. So if you want, I'll give you brand > >>>>>>>>>>>> either levothyroxin or levoxil , knowing that it's a little more > >>>>>>>>>>>> expensive. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 OMG yes! How long have you been in there ‹ wow, we forgot all about you! ROFL! sue On 9/26/08 7:18 PM, " " <res075oh@...> wrote: > > > > > Does that mean I get out of time out??? [ggg] > > > . > . > >> > Posted by: " eastodurango@... >> <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net> " >> > eastodurango@... <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net> >> > <mailto:eastodurango@... >> <mailto:eastodurango%40earthlink.net> <mailto:eastodurango@... > >> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Comments%3F> >> > jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111> >> > >> > >> > Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:25 pm (PDT) >> > >> > CW. >> > >> > Chill out and go to time out right now. >> > >> > That¹s my Rx for you. >> > >> > sue > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 You just over-reacted to my very rational reaction to someone telling a person to self treat and buy drugs online overseas. sue On 9/26/08 7:29 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > > > - > It doesn't even meet the level of criteria. The whole thing is so idiotic. I > come from a family of lawyers and I can tell you now that the whole thing > would be laughed out of court. It is bloody NUTS > > -- Re: Comments? > > In a civil [liability] case you can NEVER be sure what a judge/jury is > going to do. > > > . > . > >> > >> > Posted by: " Comerford " cumocumocumo@... >> <mailto:cumocumocumo%40> >> > <mailto:cumocumocumo@... <mailto:cumocumocumo%40> >> <mailto:cumocumocumo@... > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Comments%3F> >> > cumocumocumo <cumocumocumo> >> > >> > >> > Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:58 pm (PDT) >> > >> > Sue, >> > >> > You don't have to be a lawyer to know the law....in my profession >> > identifying liability is essential and from my experience, what you >> > stated regarding Nancie Sue being " liable " if an investigation were to >> > occur is incorrect. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 I am not the one who has over reacted.....re-read your own posts. -- Re: Comments? > > In a civil [liability] case you can NEVER be sure what a judge/jury is > going to do. > > > . > . > >> > >> > Posted by: " Comerford " cumocumocumo@... >> <mailto:cumocumocumo%40> >> > <mailto:cumocumocumo@... <mailto:cumocumocumo%40> >> <mailto:cumocumocumo@... > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Comments%3F> >> > cumocumocumo <cumocumocumo> >> > >> > >> > Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:58 pm (PDT) >> > >> > Sue, >> > >> > You don't have to be a lawyer to know the law....in my profession >> > identifying liability is essential and from my experience, what you >> > stated regarding Nancie Sue being " liable " if an investigation were to >> > occur is incorrect. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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