Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 see throughout... > > > You said, 'unless you have nuclear reactions taking place'...would RAI > > from an injection, if your system was not able to dispose of it > > properly, qualify as one of those 'nuclear reactions' if a person used > > iodine?... > > Yes, but very marginally, and Gracia was not taking a radioactive form of iodine, just the stable stuff. The amount of radioactive iodine you could tolerate in your body is much less than what Gracia (or any of us) is taking. Gracia is taking organic iodine, not RAI (radio-active iodine)...anyway, this question has nothing to do with Gracia...it was less than a year after having an injection of RAI, and prior to being diagnosed hypoT (w/TSH 1027) that this happened...they had told me it would pass within 24 hr. and my urine would be darker than usual...however, they did not tell me what to do, or even if I should do anything if that didn't happen...my urine did not darken; but it was right after that my health went from a steady deterioration to a major nose dive--one thing after another started going wrong...all seemingly having nothing to do with each other...then again, this past summer, when I was sent to the cardiologist, he had me put through a bunch of testing, much of it done in Nuclear Physics (I had to be given a card to access...take medication and leave for a specific amount of time, return using my access card, then be injected with something else--there were tons of tests; I spent most of 2 days there)...since then, I've been just battling to hold my own...with winter finally arrived, I am losing ground! I don't know if any of this involved RAI or not. I know 1 test was done as a simulation of the treadmill 'cause something about my heart will give false results...the electrical signals are screwed up he said (I could try giving you the long drawn out explanation, but I think you probably understand what I'm talking about). Again, all of this stuff was suppose to be through my system within 24 - 48 hours on this occasion...and again, I noticed nothing unusual about my urine. > > ... Also, since bromine has the ability, being a molecule of > > similar size to iodine molecules, to attach in the body and displace > > iodine, what is the chemical reaction that would cause the iodine to > > displace the bromine?...is there an enzyme involved in this process? > > No enzyme, just a simple displacement. But, it is not the similarity in size that matters, its the chemical similarity. They are both halogens with -1 valence. Could you explain how 'displacement 'occurs? > > Also, am I correct in thinking iodine is water soluble, rather than > > fat soluble, as someone compared it to vitamin A in another post > > somewhere (I couldn't find it earlier today)...which would mean excess > > would leave the body more quickly than excess of something that > > attaches to fat molecules, right? > > All correct. Elemental iodine in the body is almost instantly reduced to the anion (iodide), which is very soluble. When it gets attached to thyronine, it stays in the body a little longer. > > Chuck This is the definition from wikipedia for 'thyronine'... 1. (biochemistry) A phenolic amino acid that occurs naturally only in the iodinated form of thyroxine and this from wikipedia for 'anion'... 1. An electronegative element, or the element which, in electro-chemical decompositions, is evolved at the anode; -- opposed to cation. Would you explain what these 2 terms mean; and expand on your last statement please? I think I understand most, if not all of this; I don't know how to explain it yet though (without risking confusing myself), which means I also won't be able to remember it. Thank you for taking the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 , You wrote: > > Gracia is taking organic iodine, not RAI (radio-active > iodine)...anyway, this question has nothing to do with Gracia...it was > less than a year after having an injection of RAI,... Sorry you had to go through the RAI deal. I have not encountered anyone, on list or off, that had a completely benign experience with it. Iodoral and Lugol's are not organic. An organic form would be a combination such as the dye compounds they use for X-ray attenuation. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Yes! It helped a quite a bit...I think I still have a couple more questions (will save for later if need be), but this has helped to organize, in my mind, some of the bits and pieces I knew, but did not understand how they fit together...especially the relationship to iodine. Thank you Chuck! (Also, youd two other posts in response to the rest of the questions from my post were also helpful.) > > > > This is the definition from wikipedia for 'thyronine'... > > > > 1. (biochemistry) A phenolic amino acid that occurs naturally only > > in the iodinated form of thyroxine > > > > and this from wikipedia for 'anion'... > > > > 1. An electronegative element, or the element which, in > > electro-chemical decompositions, is evolved at the anode; -- opposed > > to cation. > > > > Would you explain what these 2 terms mean; ... > > Thyronine is the amino acid backbone of all the thyroxine hormones. > > T2 is the isomers 3,5-diiodothyronine and 3,3'-diiodothyronine: two > iodine atoms attached to various positions on thyronine. > > T3 is triiodothyronine: three iodine atoms. > > RT3 is 3,3',5' triiodothyronine: also three but in the wrong places. > > T4 has four iodine atoms. > > They all have thyronine molecules as the basis. All that varies is the > number of iodine atoms attached. > > Elemental iodine normally comes in a diatomic molecule, written I2. It > takes energy (and electrons) to break this molecule into two ions I-. > The negative charge makes them anions (attracted to the anode). A > cathode attracts the oppositely charged positive ions. > > Lugols is a mix of elemental I2 in a solution of K+ and I- ions in > water. When absorbed, energy is used to break up the I2 and turn it into > additional anions, I-. Enzymes in the thyroid gland take these ions and > attach them to the thyronine stored there. If you take a thyroid > medication, you are ingesting one of these iodated thyronine compounds. > > Hope that helps. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 No...I'm hypoT, not hyperT...I have had a whole slew of tests done...a bunch of which were in a nuclear lab...and at this point, I'm not sure what all I've been given. I do know that I took a bad turn for the worse after my first go around with an MRI that included an injection into my shoulder (I had lost the use of my right arm so a torn rotator cuff is what the docs suspected, which wasn't the case, but that's when they found I do have arthritis), then more MRIs later, then a bunch of cardiology testing (partly done in the nuclear lab) and a simulated treadmill (something about my heart's electrical signals will always give false results on a true treadmill)...and at this point, I don't know what all I've had; but, I do know that each time, after all these tests, I've gotten worse...but then, both times they tried sending me to physical therapy; that also made me worse...even a team, lead by a specialist doctor of physical therapy determined I wasn't a candidate for physical therapy. I have been in and out of wheelchairs, walkers and walking sticks for the past 5 1/2 years. I have finally, if I'm careful about distance, been walking on my own again for just over a year...but, the past 3 or 4 months, I have been declining again. I know that if I don't get things turned around soon, I'll be demoted to a walking stick or walker again...I'm afraid it could be before winter is over since winter is my most difficult time of the year...and I believe EVERYTHING to do with my health (including my roto-scoliosis; 3 curves...1 is 49 deg., another 35 or 37--I forget which, and a reverse C-curve in my neck--only the very most observant ever notice because my scoliosis is a S-curve in my back, rather than the C-curve like the hunchback of Notre-dame--and I've read in one of the doctor's books that deformities of the bones can be caused by thyroid issues) > > > > what? > > why did you have RAI??? is your thyroid gland nuked? > > Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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