Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 >From: <kennio@...> >Ok, I feel like I need to adjust my dosage of Levoxyl. I have had minor >symptoms creeping up for >a few days. The need for magnesium has been outrageous, sore neck, muscle >cramps and occasional >vague heart pain totally handled by increased magnesium. Yesterday I had >cold hands during the 90 >degree weather and felt like I had had a pot of coffee just before bedtime; >tossing and turning. >I have had a rising sense of nervousness during the day for a few days. > >I assume I am going hyper from the 100 mg of Iodine. Except for the cold >hands I would be >convinced I was going hyper. I dropped down to 100mg mg from 125mg on the >Levoxyl for today, I >just hope I am going the right way with this and not setting myself up for >a crash. Hyper / hypo symptoms overlap. Chest pain is common in hypo. Sore muscles can be hypo. Can also be adrenal. My daughter had the coldest hands you ever felt before she went on Armour. Did you actually take your body temp? Some people who are hot, actually have low body temp. How will you know when you are on the overdosage side of magnesium? After all symptoms off too much magnesium are the same symptoms as too little causes. Have you been tested recently to see what your current level is? When taking Levoxyl, it takes awhile for the up or down dosage to take effect. Armour is much quicker. A lot harder to adjst levoxyl based on how you feel, and the effect is delayed. http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Magnesiumcs.html Too much magnesium can cause serious health problems including nausea, vomiting, severely lowered blood pressure, slowed heart rate, deficiencies of other minerals, confusion, coma, and even death. More common side effects from magnesium include upset stomach and diarrhea. Magnesium competes with calcium for absorption and can cause a calcium deficiency if calcium intake levels are already low. ****************** Lowered BP and heart rate is part of what causes the cold hands in hypothyroidism. Notice that happening? It can also lower the effects of the levosyl - http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Magnesiumcs.html There have been case reports of magnesium containing antacids reducing the effectiveness of levothyroxine, which is taken for an under active thyroid. This is important because many people take laxatives containing magnesium without letting their doctor know. ********************************************************* Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine\ -msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us & source=hmtagline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 My BP is in the high normal range. Pulse is 78. I just worked out pretty heavily. I feel alright on less levoxyl so far... I am tired because of only 5 and half hours of sleep. I'll keep the levoxyl low for a few days and see what happens. I can feel even slight changes of levoxyl pretty quickly but not as easily since I started all the fish oils. I am leaving on a vacation on friday, I hope I am not too messed up with the dose shifting I am doing. I think a lot of us on this forum have experienced what too much magnesium means... diarrhea. I don't think you understand magnesium absorption to well; any excess magnesium is removed in waste. Too much magnesium is so rare that it is almost non-existant except with kidney disease and most likely would happen with IV's. It is a transient state where too much magnesium is circulating in the blood. My 7500 mg worth of IV just gave me total relaxation. Besides, calcium pills would counter any of the fleeting bouts of this rare hypermagnesia...which is a condition that would last a matter of hours, if at all. Every test I've taken has shown high normal calcium without supplementing and LOW magnesium WITH supplementing. Calcium can be, at high dosages, a toxin that is deposited throughout the body without proper support minerals to aid in it's absorption. You can get too much calcium and damage your health. This mineral is what you have to watch out for as most of your previous hormone absorption links indicated. I am waiting to finish Iodine and this gene silencing regimen and will get another RBC. When you finally get your RBC analysis... please post your magnesium status, it will be very interesting to see that. --- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote: > >From: <kennio@...> > > >Ok, I feel like I need to adjust my dosage of Levoxyl. I have had minor > >symptoms creeping up for > >a few days. The need for magnesium has been outrageous, sore neck, muscle > >cramps and occasional > >vague heart pain totally handled by increased magnesium. Yesterday I had > >cold hands during the 90 > >degree weather and felt like I had had a pot of coffee just before bedtime; > >tossing and turning. > >I have had a rising sense of nervousness during the day for a few days. > > > >I assume I am going hyper from the 100 mg of Iodine. Except for the cold > >hands I would be > >convinced I was going hyper. I dropped down to 100mg mg from 125mg on the > >Levoxyl for today, I > >just hope I am going the right way with this and not setting myself up for > >a crash. > > Hyper / hypo symptoms overlap. Chest pain is common in hypo. Sore muscles > can be hypo. Can also be adrenal. My daughter had the coldest hands you > ever felt before she went on Armour. > > Did you actually take your body temp? Some people who are hot, actually > have low body temp. > > How will you know when you are on the overdosage side of magnesium? After > all symptoms off too much magnesium are the same symptoms as too little > causes. Have you been tested recently to see what your current level is? > > When taking Levoxyl, it takes awhile for the up or down dosage to take > effect. Armour is much quicker. A lot harder to adjst levoxyl based on how > you feel, and the effect is delayed. > > http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Magnesiumcs.html > Too much magnesium can cause serious health problems including nausea, > vomiting, severely lowered blood pressure, slowed heart rate, deficiencies > of other minerals, confusion, coma, and even death. More common side effects > from magnesium include upset stomach and diarrhea. > > Magnesium competes with calcium for absorption and can cause a calcium > deficiency if calcium intake levels are already low. > ****************** > > Lowered BP and heart rate is part of what causes the cold hands in > hypothyroidism. Notice that happening? > > It can also lower the effects of the levosyl - > > http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Magnesiumcs.html > There have been case reports of magnesium containing antacids reducing the > effectiveness of levothyroxine, which is taken for an under active thyroid. > This is important because many people take laxatives containing magnesium > without letting their doctor know. > ********************************************************* > > > > Skipper > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine\ -msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us & source=hmtagline > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Amy, http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq Sam > > I've been on Armour since January and at 60mg since early summer and > was feeling pretty decent. For the last few weeks, I have been > feeling really agitated and can feel my heartbeat -- often up in the > 90's. The sensations peak around 2 hours after I take the Armour and > I take it 2x a day and so I have a double peak of feeling hyper and > creepy. Anyone have an idea what's going on? > > This morning I decided to cut the Armour dose in half and got the same > reaction -- just not as bad. Nothing else has changed in my meds. > > Thanks, Amy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Amy- Have you tried taking magnesium supplements? I take 600 mg a day. It helps. Armour is the only one so far that has worked for me and thus I take the magnesium to quell the rapid heart rate. I don't want to stop taking the Armour. Nancie -- going hyper? I've been on Armour since January and at 60mg since early summer and was feeling pretty decent. For the last few weeks, I have been feeling really agitated and can feel my heartbeat -- often up in the 90's. The sensations peak around 2 hours after I take the Armour and I take it 2x a day and so I have a double peak of feeling hyper and creepy. Anyone have an idea what's going on? This morning I decided to cut the Armour dose in half and got the same reaction -- just not as bad. Nothing else has changed in my meds. Thanks, Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 That's a good idea! I have a lot of muscle issues anyway and probably need more magnesium. What form do you take? I have had trouble in the past with magnesium supps just shooting through me. Thanks! Amy Re: going hyper? Amy- Have you tried taking magnesium supplements? I take 600 mg a day. It helps. Armour is the only one so far that has worked for me and thus I take the magnesium to quell the rapid heart rate. I don't want to stop taking the Armour. Nancie -------Original Message----- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 I take magnesium citrate. Nancie -- Re: going hyper? That's a good idea! I have a lot of muscle issues anyway and probably need more magnesium. What form do you take? I have had trouble in the past with magnesium supps just shooting through me. Thanks! Amy Re: going hyper? Amy- Have you tried taking magnesium supplements? I take 600 mg a day. It helps. Armour is the only one so far that has worked for me and thus I take the magnesium to quell the rapid heart rate. I don't want to stop taking the Armour. Nancie -------Original Message----- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 NANCIE, How on earth do you get 600 mg into your body without stomach and intestinal distress? I am having a terrible time with the magnsium. mse On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Nancie Barnett < deifspirit@...> wrote: > Amy- > Have you tried taking magnesium supplements? I take 600 mg a day. It helps. > Armour is the only one so far that has worked for me and thus I take the > magnesium to quell the rapid heart rate. I don't want to stop taking the > Armour. > Nancie > -- going hyper? > > I've been on Armour since January and at 60mg since early summer and > was feeling pretty decent. For the last few weeks, I have been > feeling really agitated and can feel my heartbeat -- often up in the > 90's. The sensations peak around 2 hours after I take the Armour and > I take it 2x a day and so I have a double peak of feeling hyper and > creepy. Anyone have an idea what's going on? > > This morning I decided to cut the Armour dose in half and got the same > reaction -- just not as bad. Nothing else has changed in my meds. > > Thanks, Amy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Mse- I lt works for me, but that doesn't mean that is the right dose for you or anybody else. You have to see what dose works for you. At 600 mg I don't have problems with muscle cramps; constipation or heart palps. Some days I sometimes take 800 mg. It just depends on what is going on with me and my hypo T and my lupus.... Nancie -- going hyper? > > I've been on Armour since January and at 60mg since early summer and > was feeling pretty decent. For the last few weeks, I have been > feeling really agitated and can feel my heartbeat -- often up in the > 90's. The sensations peak around 2 hours after I take the Armour and > I take it 2x a day and so I have a double peak of feeling hyper and > creepy. Anyone have an idea what's going on? > > This morning I decided to cut the Armour dose in half and got the same > reaction -- just not as bad. Nothing else has changed in my meds. > > Thanks, Amy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 What form of magnesium do you take? Amy Re: going hyper? Mse- I lt works for me, but that doesn't mean that is the right dose for you or anybody else. You have to see what dose works for you. At 600 mg I don't have problems with muscle cramps; constipation or heart palps. Some days I sometimes take 800 mg. It just depends on what is going on with me and my hypo T and my lupus.... Nancie - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Magnesium citrate. -- Re: going hyper? What form of magnesium do you take? Amy Re: going hyper? Mse- I lt works for me, but that doesn't mean that is the right dose for you or anybody else. You have to see what dose works for you. At 600 mg I don't have problems with muscle cramps; constipation or heart palps. Some days I sometimes take 800 mg. It just depends on what is going on with me and my hypo T and my lupus.... Nancie - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 There are transdermal options for magnesium. Do a web search for " transdermal magnesium " . Here's one book that is getting good reviews on Amazon.com. Transdermal Magnesium Therapy - by Mark Sircus http://www.amazon.com/Transdermal-Magnesium-Therapy-Mark-Sircus/dp/0978799119 Steve MSE wrote: > NANCIE, How on earth do you get 600 mg into your body without stomach and > intestinal distress? I am having a terrible time with the magnsium. > > mse > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Nancie Barnett < > deifspirit@...> wrote: > >> Amy- >> Have you tried taking magnesium supplements? I take 600 mg a day. It helps. >> Armour is the only one so far that has worked for me and thus I take the >> magnesium to quell the rapid heart rate. I don't want to stop taking the >> Armour. >> Nancie -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Did you work up to that mg? I'm currently trying very hard to even use 100mg (cut a 200 mg in half). Is there something else to take with it to reduce stomach and bowell distress? mse On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Nancie Barnett < deifspirit@...> wrote: > Mse- > I lt works for me, but that doesn't mean that is the right dose for you or > anybody else. You have to see what dose works for you. At 600 mg I don't > have problems with muscle cramps; constipation or heart palps. Some days I > sometimes take 800 mg. It just depends on what is going on with me and my > hypo T and my lupus.... > Nancie > -- going hyper? > > > > I've been on Armour since January and at 60mg since early summer and > > was feeling pretty decent. For the last few weeks, I have been > > feeling really agitated and can feel my heartbeat -- often up in the > > 90's. The sensations peak around 2 hours after I take the Armour and > > I take it 2x a day and so I have a double peak of feeling hyper and > > creepy. Anyone have an idea what's going on? > > > > This morning I decided to cut the Armour dose in half and got the same > > reaction -- just not as bad. Nothing else has changed in my meds. > > > > Thanks, Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Rule of thumb is to take magnesium until bowel distress occurs, and then back off 50 mg. Also, take in divided doses with meals. Also, since calcium has the opposite effect, I take my mag with calcium. sue As with calcium, chelated forms of magnesium are absorbed best by the body. Magnesium oxide is also available and is often less expensive, but it is poorly absorbed by the body. Since high doses of magnesium can cause diarrhea, you should divide your doses and take them with meals throughout the day. http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article1080.html On 10/15/08 3:57 PM, " MSE " <knockneed@...> wrote: > I currently trying very hard to even use > 100mg (cut a 200 mg in half). Is there something else to take with it to > reduce stomach and bowell distress? > > Mse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Calcium helps keep magnesium from just shooting through you if that's what you mean by distress. going hyper? > > > > I've been on Armour since January and at 60mg since early summer and > > was feeling pretty decent. For the last few weeks, I have been > > feeling really agitated and can feel my heartbeat -- often up in the > > 90's. The sensations peak around 2 hours after I take the Armour and > > I take it 2x a day and so I have a double peak of feeling hyper and > > creepy. Anyone have an idea what's going on? > > > > This morning I decided to cut the Armour dose in half and got the same > > reaction -- just not as bad. Nothing else has changed in my meds. > > > > Thanks, Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Constipation??? I thought magnesium was a laxative!!!??? Magnesium citrate is what I've taken to " clean me out " for a colonoscopy. And it sure as h*ll didn't constipate me. Long ago I was given a magnesium product [sulphate?] mixed with aluminum hydroxide as an antacid. I immediately got the " runs " and investigated the contents of the medicine. The pharmacist said the magnesium was a laxative and the aluminum was a constipater, so I had to get a product with a higher ratio of aluminum to magnesium. I know; we're all different... .. .. > > Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20going%20hyper%3F> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1> > > > Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:59 am (PDT) > > Mse- > I lt works for me, but that doesn't mean that is the right dose for you or > anybody else. You have to see what dose works for you. At 600 mg I don't > have problems with muscle cramps; constipation or heart palps. Some days I > sometimes take 800 mg. It just depends on what is going on with me and my > hypo T and my lupus.... > Nancie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 - The hypo T was causing the constipation, hence one of the reasons for magnesium. -- Re: going hyper? Constipation??? I thought magnesium was a laxative!!!??? Magnesium citrate is what I've taken to " clean me out " for a colonoscopy. And it sure as h*ll didn't constipate me. Long ago I was given a magnesium product [sulphate?] mixed with aluminum hydroxide as an antacid. I immediately got the " runs " and investigated the contents of the medicine. The pharmacist said the magnesium was a laxative and the aluminum was a constipater, so I had to get a product with a higher ratio of aluminum to magnesium. I know; we're all different... .. .. > > Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20going%20hyper%3F> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1> > > > Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:59 am (PDT) > > Mse- > I lt works for me, but that doesn't mean that is the right dose for you or > anybody else. You have to see what dose works for you. At 600 mg I don't > have problems with muscle cramps; constipation or heart palps. Some days I > sometimes take 800 mg. It just depends on what is going on with me and my > hypo T and my lupus.... > Nancie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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