Re: iodine and hashis

[Guest guest]

I've been observing the hashi's folks reactions to iodine for a while

now. Basically what i've seen is that some hashi's folks can use

iodine just fine with absolutely no problems...and some hashi's folks

can't. There doesn't seem to be any literature on why this might be

the case. I've speculated that it may have to do with whether TSH is

suppressed, thus antibodies are suppressed. Because if antibodies are

alive and well, the iodine could be stimulating the thyroid and thus

exaccerbating the autoimmune condition (which is what so much medical

literature says iodine can do in autoimmune thyroid disease). I've

also speculated that it may be specific antibodies that cause a

problem, those that can be common to both hashi's and graves's - TSH

receptor or TSI antibodies. So these are just some thoughts.

But if TSH is not suppressed with oral thyroid hormone meds and

antibodies are at a level that indicate a high level of activity, I'd

be cautious. Of course whenever i mention caution with iodine for

Hashi's folks on a thyroid forum, this somehow gets translated to being

scared of iodine...sorta like Abraham throws around the iodophobia term

for anyone who disagrees or has questions. But I still think we really

don't have enough information from the iodine docs on hashi's folks and

rthoiodosupplementation to know the best protocol.

That being said, I used to be unable to tolerate iodine until I begin

supplementing with HC for adrenal insufficiency. It could be the HC

squelched some antibodies? However I'm only able to take 1 drop of

lugol's, which is a good preventative amount of course. But when I go

to 2 drops, I experience severe frontal headache and runny nose.

just my thoughts...

cindi

>

> Been reading and reading and it says that iodine is great for

> hypothyroidism which I thought was all I had till I did saliva tests

> and found antibodies that show hashis. There are so many yes and

> no's on the web about taking iodine if you have hashis....is it or

> isn't it safe to take iodine if you have it?

>

[Guest guest]

Dr Brownstein Uses it for people with Hashi's. My dad saw his partner (Dr.

Nusbaum) and he took Iodoral and he had hashi's.

iodine and hashis

> Been reading and reading and it says that iodine is great for

> hypothyroidism which I thought was all I had till I did saliva tests

> and found antibodies that show hashis. There are so many yes and

> no's on the web about taking iodine if you have hashis....is it or

> isn't it safe to take iodine if you have it?

>

>

>

> Send Message: iodine

>

> Iodine

[Guest guest]

He was on 120 mgs Armour and took 25 mgs of Iodoral. Unfortunately I can't

give you long term effects. He was on it from May of last year until March

of this year. He had a dissected aorta and died in March of this year.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dia " <dia47@...>

> How much does he take? Did it effect his thyroid medication at all?

>

[Guest guest]

I don't have a dx for Hashi's, yet. I was on Iodoral for one month, at one

tablet per day, and

felt worse by the end of the month. My hypothyroid symptoms were getting worse.

I'm doing a saliva test again to check thyroid and adrenals. I'm hoping to get

on some

Armour and then reintroduce Iodoral or Lugol's.

My guess is that I need those thyroid meds and the amount of meds will need to

be adjusted

up and/or down while taking iodine.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dia, I have hashi's and have been on 50mgs of Iodoral for approximately 7 months. For me, it has affected my thyroid medication. I started the Iodoral in October. By Thanksgiving, I began to start gradually backing down on my Armour. (I had been up to 150mgs.) I am now at 60 and 1/2mgs. I felt I had to back down because of feelings of breathlessness and heart palps. Those always subsided (for a couple of months) after I made yet another small decrease on my Armour. I have currently been adding more magnesium and celtic sea salt to my regimen in the hopes that I will be able to gradually up the Armour dose again. I have had a large weight gain (over the past month) that I am attributing to having to back down on that Armour. Hopefully .. because of the additional supplementation, I won't have those heart palps with my

increases in Armour ..? I shall see! Best, GloDia <dia47@...> wrote: How much does he take? Did it effect his thyroid medication at all?ladybugsandbees wrote:>> Dr Brownstein Uses it for people with Hashi's. My dad saw his partner > (Dr.> Nusbaum) and he took Iodoral and he had hashi's.>> >> iodine and hashis>> > Been reading and reading and it says that iodine is great for> > hypothyroidism which I thought was all I had till I did saliva tests> > and found antibodies that show hashis. There are so many yes and> > no's on the web about taking iodine if you have hashis....is it or> > isn't it safe to take iodine if you have .

[Guest guest]

This is interesting....

Please don't take this wrongly..I''m not criticizing but am wondering

why you chose to back off on the armour instead of the iodoral? How

much iodoral are you taking and how did you decide to take as much as

you are?

> >

> > Dr Brownstein Uses it for people with Hashi's. My dad saw his partner

> > (Dr.

> > Nusbaum) and he took Iodoral and he had hashi's.

> >

> >

> >

> > iodine and hashis

> >

> > > Been reading and reading and it says that iodine is great for

> > > hypothyroidism which I thought was all I had till I did saliva tests

> > > and found antibodies that show hashis. There are so many yes and

> > > no's on the web about taking iodine if you have hashis....is it or

> > > isn't it safe to take iodine if you have

>

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Interesting information...thank you....this is all so confusing... I

just started with Isocort...am taking synthroid but trying to get

hands on armour....you'd think it was some dangerous substance that

would wipe out the world's population.

I have tests....the blood test showed T4 at 1.18 (0.61-1.76)

TSH 3.980 (the latest research shows upper range should stop at 3.0)

OK...now the saliva tests showed

TSH 600 (high being 86-120)

T4 0.21 (0.17-0.42)

T3 0.35 (0.28-1.10)

TPO (antibodies) positive

Have started gradually on the isocort cause the saliva showed

depressed reading morning, noon and afternoon but elevated at night...

So I have no idea what to do now....

-- In iodine , " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> wrote:

>

> I've been observing the hashi's folks reactions to iodine for a while

> now. Basically what i've seen is that some hashi's folks can use

> iodine just fine with absolutely no problems...and some hashi's folks

> can't. There doesn't seem to be any literature on why this might be

> the case. I've speculated that it may have to do with whether TSH is

> suppressed, thus antibodies are suppressed. Because if antibodies are

> alive and well, the iodine could be stimulating the thyroid and thus

> exaccerbating the autoimmune condition (which is what so much medical

> literature says iodine can do in autoimmune thyroid disease). I've

> also speculated that it may be specific antibodies that cause a

> problem, those that can be common to both hashi's and graves's - TSH

> receptor or TSI antibodies. So these are just some thoughts.

>

> But if TSH is not suppressed with oral thyroid hormone meds and

> antibodies are at a level that indicate a high level of activity, I'd

> be cautious. Of course whenever i mention caution with iodine for

> Hashi's folks on a thyroid forum, this somehow gets translated to being

> scared of iodine...sorta like Abraham throws around the iodophobia term

> for anyone who disagrees or has questions. But I still think we really

> don't have enough information from the iodine docs on hashi's folks and

> rthoiodosupplementation to know the best protocol.

>

> That being said, I used to be unable to tolerate iodine until I begin

> supplementing with HC for adrenal insufficiency. It could be the HC

> squelched some antibodies? However I'm only able to take 1 drop of

> lugol's, which is a good preventative amount of course. But when I go

> to 2 drops, I experience severe frontal headache and runny nose.

> just my thoughts...

> cindi

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Been reading and reading and it says that iodine is great for

> > hypothyroidism which I thought was all I had till I did saliva tests

> > and found antibodies that show hashis. There are so many yes and

> > no's on the web about taking iodine if you have hashis....is it or

> > isn't it safe to take iodine if you have it?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think Armour is hard to get because when we get it and get well,

the docs's wallets get empty? :-)

well...since you really don't know what kind of antibody count you

have without blood serum test...but you know the hypo isn't yet well

controlled....I might be inclined to at least get that TSH lowered

first and improve the Frees. And then I'd start low with 12.5 mg.

(lugol's or iodoral)and be alert to problems.

this is not the advice you might get from others however...some say

start with 50 mg. and then back down if you have problems.

yea..confusing...

cindi

>

> -

> Interesting information...thank you....this is all so confusing...

I

> just started with Isocort...am taking synthroid but trying to get

> hands on armour....you'd think it was some dangerous substance that

> would wipe out the world's population.

>

> I have tests....the blood test showed T4 at 1.18 (0.61-1.76)

> TSH 3.980 (the latest research shows upper range should stop at

3.0)

>

> OK...now the saliva tests showed

> TSH 600 (high being 86-120)

> T4 0.21 (0.17-0.42)

> T3 0.35 (0.28-1.10)

> TPO (antibodies) positive

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the info and I'm so sorry for your loss.....

ladybugsandbees wrote:

>

> He was on 120 mgs Armour and took 25 mgs of Iodoral. Unfortunately I

> can't

> give you long term effects. He was on it from May of last year until

> March

> of this year. He had a dissected aorta and died in March of this year.

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Dia " <dia47bellsouth (DOT) net <mailto:dia47%40bellsouth.net>>

>

> > How much does he take? Did it effect his thyroid medication at all?

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you.

Steph

Re: iodine and hashis

> Thank you for the info and I'm so sorry for your loss.....

>

[Guest guest]

I have hashi's and take 50 mgs. of iodine every day and have since last September. To be sure, I did start on the Isocort first and worked up to 8 per day and then took iodoral, and then introduced Armour, if I remember correctly. Memory can be here and gone, lol. I also might have started them at the same time, but anyway, I am continuing with it for now. I had thought I would be able to reduce my Armour, but I have not and recently went up to 5 grains. I didn't know I had hashi's at the time; it was diagnosed this year after my doc tested me for antibodies. I know I was deficient from my miserable sick childhood. C.

[Guest guest]

Hi Cindi,

I'm just reading this post.

I too have hashimotos and a TSha round 3ish.. got (unplanned) tested

just after I consumed the salt, day after the larger dose of kelp..

so results will be rather meaningless, but still interesting.

I did get that frontal headache and runny nose and irritated thryoid

one I get when I consulme iodised salt actually.. but not smaller

amounts of kelp).

Awaiting blodd test results and its been good to see that your

symptoms are similar

Jan

> >

> > Been reading and reading and it says that iodine is great for

> > hypothyroidism which I thought was all I had till I did saliva

tests

> > and found antibodies that show hashis. There are so many yes and

> > no's on the web about taking iodine if you have hashis....is it or

> > isn't it safe to take iodine if you have it?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad for this post - I've got hypothyroidism and when they

tested for antibodies they found they were high - went on some

supplements and brought the TSH back to normal, but then as soon as

I got off it went to it's highest ever (TSH 22!) went back on but

then they said to take Iodoral - but it worries me since I do have

hashi's and also AF - think it might be best to be tested although

the nutritionist said that the fact that my total T4 was low

indicated I was low in iodine. I know this group generally is in

favor of Iodoral - but not sure since I have these other things

going on. They now want to do a I-123 thyroid scan will this tell

me/them anything?

> > >

> > > Been reading and reading and it says that iodine is great for

> > > hypothyroidism which I thought was all I had till I did saliva

> tests

> > > and found antibodies that show hashis. There are so many yes

and

> > > no's on the web about taking iodine if you have hashis....is

it or

> > > isn't it safe to take iodine if you have it?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

well i'd say the saying you were low in iodine is only part of the

story.

it is true that in hashimoto's there can be thyroid cell damage and

loss of iodine stores...but is that fixable if the thyroid gland has

undergoing/undergone physical changes due to hashimoto's. does

iodine fix it or does one have to take thyroid hormone replacement?

so far, no one is claiming ( i don't think) that iodine alone will

restore a damaged hashi's gland to a normal thyroid gland. And a

fibrous lymphocytic infiltrated hashi's gland doesn't produce

thyroid hormone properly.

some have speculated that when a hashi's person goes on iodine

therapy...and thus the iodine " stimulates " the thyroid gland...then

the antibodies just attack causing more progressive destruction of

the gland.

an alternative is TSH suppressive therapy for hashi's...and then

just take iodine for the needs of the rest of the body.

i don't have the answers here...just thinking out loud...but i do

wish the iodine docs would address some of these issues/questions.

cindi

>

> I'm glad for this post - I've got hypothyroidism and when they

> tested for antibodies they found they were high - went on some

> supplements and brought the TSH back to normal, but then as soon

as

> I got off it went to it's highest ever (TSH 22!) went back on but

> then they said to take Iodoral - but it worries me since I do have

> hashi's and also AF - think it might be best to be tested although

> the nutritionist said that the fact that my total T4 was low

> indicated I was low in iodine. I know this group generally is in

> favor of Iodoral - but not sure since I have these other things

> going on. They now want to do a I-123 thyroid scan will this tell

> me/them anything?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cindi:

Do you know anything about this I-123 Thyroid scan and what it might

tell me about being hypo but also about having hashimoto's or what

my level of iodine might be?

Elaine

> >

> > I'm glad for this post - I've got hypothyroidism and when they

> > tested for antibodies they found they were high - went on some

> > supplements and brought the TSH back to normal, but then as soon

> as

> > I got off it went to it's highest ever (TSH 22!) went back on

but

> > then they said to take Iodoral - but it worries me since I do

have

> > hashi's and also AF - think it might be best to be tested

although

> > the nutritionist said that the fact that my total T4 was low

> > indicated I was low in iodine. I know this group generally is

in

> > favor of Iodoral - but not sure since I have these other things

> > going on. They now want to do a I-123 thyroid scan will this

tell

> > me/them anything?

>

[Guest guest]

why is he doing the scan?

Personally, i'd avoid radioactive iodine testing...unless there's

some specific reason that is being ordered that seems medically

necessary.

but to check for hashi's/hypo, I'd first be checking thyroid

antibodies and Free levels.

but someone else may know more about this.

cindi

>

> Thanks Cindi:

>

> Do you know anything about this I-123 Thyroid scan and what it

might

> tell me about being hypo but also about having hashimoto's or what

> my level of iodine might be?

[Guest guest]

I have a thyroid ultrasound and my friend's daughter just had one too

before they removed (last week)one of her thyroid nodules as they don't

know why she grew a goitre at 21 in Bribane..or why is looks like a

partly fluid filled cyst. She eats lots of sushi.. lives on it..so it

can't be lack of iodine or I would have suggested it.

anyway , just a suggestion to maybe ask if an ultrasound would be

sufficient as well as the blood tests?..for starters?

[Guest guest]

nodules/goiter is iodine deficiency! She is trying to get what she needs through food but it is not enough. Hopefully it won't be too long b4 conventional medicine begins to use iodine therapeutically.

I first encountered the idea that goiter is iodine deficiency in Thierry Hertoghe's book Hormone Solutions.

Gracia

I have a thyroid ultrasound and my friend's daughter just had one too before they removed (last week)one of her thyroid nodules as they don't know why she grew a goitre at 21 in Bribane..or why is looks like a partly fluid filled cyst. She eats lots of sushi.. lives on it..so it can't be lack of iodine or I would have suggested it.anyway , just a suggestion to maybe ask if an ultrasound would be sufficient as well as the blood tests?..for starters?

[Guest guest]

Iodine Restriction in Patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Some evidence

suggests that excess iodine triggers Hashimoto's thyroiditis.

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Environmental triggers of Hashimotos Thyroiditis include iodine intake,

bacterial and viral infections

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Taking in too much iodine can also cause or worsen hypothyroidism.

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Administration of iodine in almost any chemical form may induce an episode

of thyrotoxicosis (IIH). This has been observed in epidemic incidence in

several countries when iodine has been given as prophylaxis in a variety of

vehicles, but the attack rate as recorded has been low. IIH is most commonly

encountered in older persons with long standing nodular goiter and in

regions of chronic iodine deficiency, but instances in the young have been

recorded. It customarily occurs after an incremental rise in mean iodine

intake in the course of programs for the prevention of iodine deficiency, or

when iodine-containing drugs such as radiocontrast media or amiodarone are

administered. The biological basis for IIH appears most often to be

mutational events in thyroid cells that lead to autonomy of function. When

the mass of cells with such an event becomes sufficient and iodine supply is

increased, the subject may become thyrotoxic

On 9/16/08 11:38 AM, " le " <danosova@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Grin....hmmmm.  Iodine may be bad you say?

>  

>