Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

[Guest guest]

Steve-

a neighbor just got slammed with a tax audit that went back 10 years. It

seems that he did not pay his entire taxes during those years, so the IRS is

going after him for ALL 10 years.

So, it seems that your reference is OUT of DATE. Apparently, since so many

people in the USA don't pay their taxes in full, the IRS is going after them

for more than 3 years.

As far as the creative imagination goes, you can go piss off.

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Thy

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Plus,

> there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

> years as they want.

You have a very creative imagination constantly make claims about

government laws and constitutional issues that are completely wrong:

Under section 6501(a) of the Internal Revenue Code (Tax Code) and

section 301.6501(a)-1(a) of the Income Tax Regulations (Tax

Regulations), the IRS is required to assess tax within 3 years after the

tax return was filed with the IRS. Similarly, under 301.6501(a)-1( of

the Tax Regulations no proceeding in court by the IRS without assessment

for the collection of any tax can begin after the expiration of 3 years.

What is clear is that the IRS CANNOT go after as many years as they want.

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[Guest guest]

Lets see, how many of them withdrew after it was announced. Obama doesn't

have a crystal ball that tell him when POTENTIAL nominees screwed up on

their taxes.

I wonder what the IRS would find if they audited you for lets say 10 years..

....

Since they are extending the time frame to more than 10 years, since there

are so many people in the country who submitted incorrect tax statements

either being their fault of their tax preparer's fault.

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Thy

He wasn't the only Obama appointee that had tax issues, there was:

Ron Kirk

Geithner

Tom Daschle

Killefer

Bill - being probed

Hilda Solis husband who paid off the day before her vote

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Um yes he did. He paid everything that was required of him.

> Plus, since he left his taxes to his CPA he didn't think he needed to

check

> them over since he trusted his tax advisor, obliviously a mistake, ...

Having a bad (or crooked) CPA or tax accountant is no excuse before the

law for US citizens. IF my CPAs screw up, I would still have to pay any

penalties since I'm not an Obama appointee with connections.

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[Guest guest]

call me what you will.

________________________________

From: Valarie <val@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:42:20 PM

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

Is that the best you can argue? I would never dream of calling you a name

just because I disagree with you.

Val

Posted by: " "

You want to approve hunting of illegals from helicopters don't you? Nutjob.

[Guest guest]

If you offer to sell a car that you have for $10,000 (that you have

$8000 left owing) and I see the car advertised and contact you and we

subsequently reach an agreed upon price of say your asking price of

$10,000, you will deliver the car with full unencumbered title and I

will provide the agreed upon price in certified funds. We may have to

meet at the bank where you own the $8000 in order to make sure the title

is accurately transfered. That's the way things work in a free market.

If after we have a written agreement, the government decides to

institute car price controls and limits the price at which you can sell

your car (car price controls) to $7500, then we will meet at the bank

and you will show up with $500 and I will show up with $7500 and buy

your car and you will pay off the loan. That's rent controls. You

might want to back out of the agreement since you don't have an extra

$500 to pay but then the government might want to charge you with

breaking the law. In any case that doesn't make you an evil person (car

seller from hell) but it will make you a greedy person (grin) for not

wanting to loose money you many not have. You did after all expect to

get an net gain of $2000 from the transaction, not a loss. It doesn't

matter if I could have paid you the $10,000 since rent controls don't

care about ability to pay, only about limits on rents on the property

owners fair use of his personal property.

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> <I would dump them like them a hot potato,

> do minimal repairs, and focus my efforts on more profitable ventures. >

> what a jerk, you are steve. was correct you would be a land lord from

> hell.

Did you know that if you purchased a rental under rent control, it is

against the law to move into it yourself? When I lived in California,

there was a elderly lady in Berkly that got sick and was appointed a

guardian by the courts who put her in a hospice and rented out her home.

She recovered and the court appointed guardian was " retired " and she

subsequently tried to move back into her home. The rent control law and

board denied her the right to use her home. Rent control from hell.

> there are more important things in life than making a fortune, steve.

Yet, if I have money invested in real estate and I can only get a few

percent return and I have to manage the rental, maintain it, and other

wise put a lot of work into it, why would I continue to hold the

property? I would never have purchased an asset if it did not have the

potential to earn a reasonable return, reasonable by my own definition

and estimate. I can get a few percent return by putting the money in

the bank and not have to do any work at all. No matter how indignant

you get because I don't buy goods and resell them for less than I paid

for them, I'm still not going to do it.

To put it differently, if I could put my money in a bank account paying

1% a year or put it in a bank account paying 5% a year, which would I

choose? If the bank paying 5% a year decided to lower it's rates to % a

year and there was another bank paying more, why wouldn't I move my

money or bank paying a better rate?

And why would I continue to invest in a rent controlled city when I

could invest almost anywhere else with market rates? Santa wants

investors to make very little and to make it impossible to move their

money to a better paying city. Any rational person would find that IMMORAL.

> Helping out people in need, oh that is right you don't believe in helping

> out anyone else but your self, nice.

Actually, you don't read what I write since you have blinders on and

apparently very bitter blinders at that. In the past 10 years I've

given about $250,000 to charity in actual cash - the IRS has my tax

returns - and additional gifts in time and other resources.

The only way I make money is by helping someone else. All contracts,

written, verbal, employment, etc., are an exchange that benefits both

parties. No one gives me money for free. They give me money in

exchange for something they want and for which we have reached an

mutually agreed upon price. The only person that should be a party to

price negotiations are the buyer and seller.

And you ignored the fact that Santa 's rental stock is decreasing,

the number of lower income workers living in the city has decreased, the

traffic congestion has increased to astronomical levels as people have

to commute long distances since the available of rentals in the city are

low. Another state voted to make rent controls illegal since it was

lowering the value of the real estate in the three cities that had rent

controls resulting in a higher percentage of taxes being paid by

non-rent controlled buildings in other cities as a portion of the

state's revenue because the rent controlled cities property values were

either decreasing or not going up as fast as the rest of the state. The

law was changed even though the people in the rent controlled cities

voted against changing the state law. The people in the rest of the

state were getting screwed indirectly by rent control.

It's only a matter of time before the US Supreme court rules that rent

controls are the same as taking by eminent domain without just compensation.

And the book I recommend has much better arguments and examples than I

have presented. All lovers of freedom, freedom for all that is, will

appreciate it.

Steve

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> Re:

>>>> Thy

>>>>

>>>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>>>> you disagree?

>>>>

>>>>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think it was 2004 they took over. I need to check up on that.

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Thy

No, Bush began his administration in January of 2001. Democrats did not take

over

the majority till May 2007. His administration ended January 2009, so that

is

only 20 months that they have been the majority under Bush, and Bush vetoed

legislation and/or issued signing statement with each bill passed.

http://democrats.senate.gov/journal/entry.cfm?id=275134

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

Nancie, I think it is wonderful that you are a liberal. I admire how much

you care for people and animals. We need more people like you. IMHO, you

are free to give away anything that belongs to YOU; that is, the fruit of

your labors. You, however, are not free to confiscate the fruits of MY

labors to give to YOUR causes.

Val

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deifspirit@... <aspenfairy1> aspenfairy1

Yes, I am a liberal democrat and I am damn proud of it! I will never stop

caring about people who are in need and I will never stop advocating for

them or for the animals.

I am proud to say that I have worked with the Kennedy's and the 's and

the shrivers.

[Guest guest]

Look if they rally wanted to stimulate somebody it should have been the

people. I think vouchers for a new car or used for that matter, or how

about vouchers to stay in their homes? Maybe they could have given me a

check, I woulda stimulated the economy. I would have hired people to fix my

house. They gave money to the wrong people.

CW

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Re: Thy

> > > hypothyroidism

> > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

> > >

> > > Val

> > >

> > >

> > > <hypothyroidism/message/46638

_ylc=X3oDMTJxbGY

> > >

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> > > 2MzgEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTI2MDkxMw-->

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " "

> > >

> > >

> > > Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It's good for one year. It's getting deposited this week.

In retrospect, I think I was shorted 300 bucks on my rebate check which

should have been 1500. Another trip to the accountant.

Steve

cindy.seeley wrote:

> You might want to check the expiration date on that rebate check...I made the

mistake of letting a government rebate check expire before I bothered to open

the envelope this past February...if only I'd opened it 2 weeks earlier...(good

thing is wasn't anything of significance).

>

>

>

>> I have a tax rebate check for $893 that I haven't bother to deposit yet.

> ...So, my net gain was $1200 minus the $50 bucks in

>> federal taxes I had to generate plus the interest the IRS paid me. If

>> one has a high enough income and then doesn't have to pay taxes, there

>> was no rebate. Paying $50 to get $1200 is always a good move.

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[Guest guest]

They're all bad for the country. As per usual it's a matter of hoping to elect

the one that will do the least damage. The congress is the the worst.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

>

> From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 5:56 PM

>

>

> What revenues?? We have a record deficit. That deficit that bush racked up

> is so large. There was ZERO deficit at the end of Clinton's administration,

> then the idiot got in and during the next 8 years racked up unprecedented

> spending and now we have a trillion dollar deficit.

>

>

> -- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

> Thy

>

>

>

>

> Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

>

> Val

>

> <hypothyroidism/message/46638;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbGY

> yMTczBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDNDY

> 2MzgEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTI2MDkxMw-->

>

> Posted by: " "

>

> Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

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[Guest guest]

Making up more sh*t.

Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> You should be ashamed that you don't respect the needs of poor people who

> have to rely on governmental assistance because without that help they would

> starve of become homeless.

> If you don't want to help out the needy that is your choice as unethical as

> it is. But don't you dare tell anyone that they shouldn't be on governmental

> assistance because they need to get a job or go to school. That is

> condescending, Steve because it is not that simple. In your secluded life

> you don't get the concept that there are 1000's of people who live on the

> brink and struggle everyday to provide for themselves and/or their families.

> So, if they can get WIC or welfare or food stamps to survive one more day

> that is perfectly OK.

> Since you don't support a living wage, then how are these people supposed to

> get off governmental assistance if they can't make decent wages.

> I wonder how long you would last living on minimum wage, [ not a living

> wage} working in a job where there is no chance of advancement, eeking out a

> minimal existence living on the brink trying to provide for your family? A

> day? A week? A month?

> Why don't you give it a try, Steve and then report back and tell us how you

> do.

>

> -- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>> Thy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>>> I work with the homeless and it is criminal that we

>>> as a wealthy society don't do anything to get them off the streets.

>> Criminal is when one breaks the law, not when someone does something you

>> don't agree with. Not all laws ought to be obeyed. Laws in Germany

>> requiring you to out Jews were immoral. There are US laws as well that

>> ought to be ignored, like any form of draft/enslavement.

>>

>

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

During Clinton's administration there were 14,000 troops killed. During

Regan's over 17,000 died but he had military that was much larger than today

Clinton wasn't the best president we had ya'll. He bombed an asprin

clinic because of false intelligence reports. Why am I the only who

remembers this?

CW

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Thy

News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

I already checked it.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

Nancie, I think it is wonderful that you are a liberal. I admire how much

you care for people and animals. We need more people like you. IMHO, you

are free to give away anything that belongs to YOU; that is, the fruit of

your labors. You, however, are not free to confiscate the fruits of MY

labors to give to YOUR causes.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

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deifspirit@... <aspenfairy1> aspenfairy1

Yes, I am a liberal democrat and I am damn proud of it! I will never stop

caring about people who are in need and I will never stop advocating for

them or for the animals.

I am proud to say that I have worked with the Kennedy's and the 's and

the shrivers.

[Guest guest]

Really Crystal, I was not talking about the stimulus, I was talking about

welfare.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:30 PM

I realize that--a couple posts back is when I actually decided that you and

I probably agree on more things than we disagree...  Shoot...quite

frequently, my husband and I don't even agree when it comes to politics...we

ve been known to cancel each other's vote on more than one occasion... ;-)

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Valarie <val@>

> > > Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

Re: Thy

> > > hypothyroidism

> > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Really?  Revenues increased considerably.  What didn't work?

> > >

> > > Val

> > >

> > >

> > > <hypothyroidism/message/46638

_ylc=X3oDMTJxbGY

> > >

yMTczBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDNDY

> > > 2MzgEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTI2MDkxMw--> 

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " "

> > >

> > >

> > > Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

If that's going to be your criteria, then Bush is the undisputed idiot. He

bombed an entire country and hundred of thousands got killed.

 

By the way what makes you think you are the only one that remembers things?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 7:47 PM

During Clinton's administration there were 14,000 troops killed.  During

Regan's over 17,000 died but he had military that was much larger than today

  Clinton wasn't the best president we had ya'll.  He bombed an asprin

clinic because of false intelligence reports.  Why am I the only who

remembers this?

CW

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com/crystalwright

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

Thy

News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

I'd like to add that the houses I'm dealing with are all out of state

for me. I never visit them but just get pictures. I never meet the

buyers, I don't know their race and I don't care. I don't care if they

are gay, single, or married, or living together, or have one child or a

dozen. All I care about is if they have payed their rents for the past

two years, have some references that will say they are who they say they

are, and have a half way clean credit history, a few late payments here

and there are ok. (If I call their references and the phone numbers are

bad, there well be no deal.) Our land contract agreement will be with

one or two adults and will be notarized and fedex'd back and forth until

all the t's are crossed and all the i's dotted. When done, a new

homeowner is created who gets a home that is about 80% of market value,

a 20% discount. I like a good sized down payment but one that

represents about 1-2 monthly payments may be my only option. I rather

they had some cash to make any repairs to their new home, repairs which

I require in the contract to occur within 6 months with pictures as proof.

Steve

cindy.seeley wrote:

> You know, having had the fortune to find a couple who practiced very much what

Steve is proposing, I am in total agreement with his concept. Had it not been

for this like-minded couple we bought our home from, we might still be living in

rental properties, but because of a very similar agreement, we were able to

apply our limited income, while going to college and trying to support 4 kids,

on house payments that were way less than half of what we would have had to pay

in rent! It's too bad there aren't more like him!!!

>

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[Guest guest]

, could you please explain what exactly it is that I've had my way for

eight years? How exactly did what I have cause the country to bankrupt?

I'm very curious to know how you know all this about me.

BTW, if you're going to make a contraction out of " now " and " is, " it is

" now's. "

Funny you should mention Joe. I just bought his book.

Val

Posted by: " "

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kennio@... <Kennio> Kennio

You've had things your way for 8 years. It bankrupted the country. Nows the

time to pay up or get out. Funny thing is that you're probably one of those

that is getting a tax break and Fox news has you raging with false info

anyway. Joe the plumber anyone?

[Guest guest]

They do not have a fillibuster proof majority. They can't count on the ones that

go along with them most of the time. That is not fail safe.

Roni

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not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 7:55 PM

In 2007 they gained a majority in both the house and the senate, after the

mid-term election of 2006 and promises that they would lower gases prices, while

a year later, gas prices were at an all time record high...  This year, they

gained a large enough majority in the senate to overcome any filibuster

attempts, so long as they can get those 3 or 4 'faux' democrats to go along with

them...not to say that the majority of the republicans in office currently

aren't faux democrats as well, but you get the drift...

>

> Nancie, I think it is wonderful that you are a liberal. I admire how much

> you care for people and animals. We need more people like you. IMHO, you

> are free to give away anything that belongs to YOU; that is, the fruit of

> your labors. You, however, are not free to confiscate the fruits of MY

> labors to give to YOUR causes.

>

> Val

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cows%2C%20Geopolitics%2C%20and

> %20Big%20Business%20Re%3A%20%5Bhypothyroidism%5D%20Re%3A%20Thy>

> deifspirit@... <aspenfairy1> aspenfairy1

>

> Yes, I am a liberal democrat and I am damn proud of it! I will never stop

> caring about people who are in need and I will never stop advocating for

> them or for the animals.

> I am proud to say that I have worked with the Kennedy's and the 's and

> the shrivers.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Careful Steve, you're starting to sound like a philanthropist.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> You know, having had the fortune to find a couple who practiced very much what

Steve is proposing, I am in total agreement with his concept. Had it not been

for this like-minded couple we bought our home from, we might still be living in

rental properties, but because of a very similar agreement, we were able to

apply our limited income, while going to college and trying to support 4 kids,

on house payments that were way less than half of what we would have had to pay

in rent! It's too bad there aren't more like him!!!

>

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[Guest guest]

If they didn't keep it out they must have put it in. Where did they put

it other than as possibly some passing reference?

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

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> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:52 pm (PDT)

>

[...]

> but if you have solid

> evidence suggesting our fathers had a goal to keep the Word of God out of

> our constitution then I would like to see it.

>

> <http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=78>

> Still love ya'll. Gotta go cook dinner now

> CW

[Guest guest]

I will allow you to live too; but I don't think that makes me especially

loving or protecting. Not murdering everyone isn't really a good

description of a loving person to me.

As for reading without understanding, try reading some of the creation

myths that preceded the Bible. Then read the same stories in the Bible

and you will [well, you _should_] read them with a new understanding.

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>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

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> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:19 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> It just goes to show you that reading without understanding is easy. The

> God of the OT isn't evil; on the contrary He is very loving and

> Protecting.

> He allowed mankind to exist after the fall didn't He? He could have smite

> us all, but because He loved us He allowed us to live.

[Guest guest]

Nancie, you are assuming I have no understanding and empathy because I

refuse to condone government confiscation of personal fruits. You have

virtually no idea how much I give of my own labors. I just want you to be

sure and understand that YOU have NO right to force ME to labor to support

YOUR efforts.

Val

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deifspirit@... <aspenfairy1> aspenfairy1

in an free country people should have empathy towards people who have less

than you have. In a well run society, people look out for their neighbors

and help them when they need it.

That is not communism. You need to take a class in college.

But, I see you don't care about less fortunate people. Nice.

[Guest guest]

He said he used Turbo Tax. There is an IRS statute of limitations - three

years unless fraud is involved.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

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deifspirit@... <aspenfairy1> aspenfairy1

Um yes he did. He paid everything that was required of him.

Plus, since he left his taxes to his CPA he didn't think he needed to check

them over since he trusted his tax advisor, obliviously a mistake, He did

not KNOW that he owed back taxes until the IRS notified him of such. Plus,

there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

years as they want.

[Guest guest]

I'm proud to be a Republican [usually], and I'm aware I will never be

rich. I resist taxes, period; not because I expect to be wealthy [i'm

68, retired] but because I simply see no evidence that the government

can spend anyone's money to better effect than can the owner of that

money. You really should give up amateur psychology or learn a bit

about it. Every attitude you attempt to plaster on my misses the mark

by a mile.

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> Posted by: " " kennio@...

>

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> Kennio <Kennio>

>

>

> Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:26 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> Keep proving my point. Republicans without money (bizarre mindset)

> often support the greedy rich guy because they fantisize about being

> one themselves. Support tax breaks for the wealthy because they in

> their minds they just might be able to benefit one day... Joe the

> plumber is the perfect example of that phenomenon. One would think IQ

> plays a part here.

>

> The dissonance you feel is that someone with money has a heart and

> isnt' all about hoarding it. I have plenty of money. I make my money

> off interest on my savings now and even though that has been cut in

> half lately I live just fine. I'm not going to sit here and pretend

> that I bust my ass for my money... I DID but now I don't. I don't work

> at all for my money anymore.

>

> I DO know where all the money was just sucked out of this country and

> it went UP not DOWN. If you are foolish enough to reject a tax break

> and worry that the rich won't like you for having them shoulder the

> responsibility for a while then that is your prerogative. You need to

> see reality... greed is not good.

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If you think Obama is going to be able to get his carbon tax through and

give anyone a tax break you're a fool. If you think I give a rat's

patooie what the rich think of me you're a fool. Nothing I've written

indicates such.

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>

> I see it as we are just recovering from a near 8 year coup of the US

> by extremists. Rampant cronyism and the nations high honors given for

> blind support of the bush agenda... every level of government being

> stacked with inexperienced appointees who pledged alligence to

> bush...not the country. We came awfully close to what it was to live

> in Nazi Germany. There needs to be abuse of power and war crime trials

> held in this country over what happened here.

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Oh, yes; now we have " change " . Every appointment from Hillery on down a

member of the old school liberal establishment. Many of whom couldn't

be bothered to pay their taxes that you so dearly love. I guess they

really aren't like you. The real crimes are going on RIGHT NOW, with

trillions being shoveled out to favorite pork barrel projects.

Typically by the same democrats that foiled Bush's efforts to rein in

Fanny and Freddie in 2006.

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>

> When it is all over we are left a broken looted nation with no one

> held accountable. Just old SS soldiers wandering around (like you)

> secretly raging about what might have been... not knowing who to be

> mad at. You have what is called the Stockholm syndrome most likely.

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Talk about being broken and looted. Obama inherited, what, a one point

x trillion dollar deficit? Or was it national debt??? And exactly how

much do you expect to be looted from tax payers over the next few years???

Again: Give up the amateur psychology. I'm about as far from an SS

soldier as you will ever find. But I'm also aware that when someone's

argument is irretrievably broken a dishonest or illiterate debater has a

tendency at some point to haul out the " Nazi " charge against his

opponent. It's well documented in the psychology books. I have no

rage, but do have a rather stoic and pessimistic acceptance that you

liberals have _already_ destroyed this country beyond any possibility of

redemption. And I fear that Obama's throwing away trillions may vastly

hasten the destruction that I don't see how we can avoid. We just don't

have a reasonable way to pay back all those trillions without some

combination of massive taxes and/or massive inflation.

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>

> " Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in

> abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the

> hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have

> been placed. "

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What a crock. I probably have as little respect for the wealthy as you

do; especially since you're one of them. My respect for people is based

totally on other than net worth. Strangely, ambition, skill,

intelligence and reasonable risk taking along with other admirable

characteristics do sometimes equate to accumulation of wealth. I don't

see it often in anyone with such a world view as you express.

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>

> Snap out of it.

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No one who knows anything about psychology would make the professional

diagnoses that you have base upon the evidence you've seen. And if they

did they would be unlikely to be so pathetically wrong on every count.

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> ____________________

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:19:14 AM

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

> Re: Thy

>

> Some see racism in the views of those with whom they disagree; others

> see Nazism or other pejoratives. Whatever, it's in the mind of the

> beholder rather than in the mind of the beheld.

>

> Those who are REALLY raping this country are the politicians who are

> dumping hundreds of billions to trillions of dollars into their favorite

> pork barrel projects under the guise of " rescuing the country " . If you

> think they and their crooked cronies will not benefit to the tune of

> untold billions you are dreaming. I'd much rather see an entrepreneur

> such as Steve making something out of this mess that benefits a lot of

> people than see the former group benefit to the extent that they will.

>

> Perhaps your story is true; I don't know. But there is a lot of

> dissonance in it. Your tone comes across much more of whining than does

> Steve's and your charges of greediness and contempt for the less

> fortunate are not supported by anything I've read.

>

>

> .

> .

[Guest guest]

TARP and the budget were left over from Bush.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:44 PM

Yeah...right!  That's why none of the following passed...the stimulus, the TARP,

and the budget...  With the 3 (or was it 4, I forget now) 'faux' democrats,

they're fillibuster proof all right!  As far as I'm concerned, you could impeach

them all, at the very least every one of them that voted for any of these

without reading them first (both house and senate)...I'd consider giving the

ones who voted against it a 2nd chance, but only because they didn't vote for

them without first having read them.

> >

> > Nancie, I think it is wonderful that you are a liberal. I admire how much

> > you care for people and animals. We need more people like you. IMHO, you

> > are free to give away anything that belongs to YOU; that is, the fruit of

> > your labors. You, however, are not free to confiscate the fruits of MY

> > labors to give to YOUR causes.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

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> > deifspirit@ <aspenfairy1> aspenfairy1

> >

> > Yes, I am a liberal democrat and I am damn proud of it! I will never stop

> > caring about people who are in need and I will never stop advocating for

> > them or for the animals.

> > I am proud to say that I have worked with the Kennedy's and the 's and

> > the shrivers.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

, you don't have a clue about what caused the mortgage meltdown.

Suffice it to say that had government stayed out of mandating to whom loans

had to be made, there would have been no bubble and no mortgage meltdown.

Val

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Oh I see. The economic melt down was because of poor people buying homes.

Thanks for explaining.

[Guest guest]

Nancie, did Bush spend all that money all by himself? Did Pelosi say,

before Bush was ever in office, that we had to get Saddam and his weapons of

mass destruction? Was she lying?

Could you please explain exactly how the " Bushie's administration created a

(sic) economic crisis in this country " ? That is nice liberal rhetoric, but

what does it mean?

How much is a living wage? What happens if that living wage causes the cost

of production to be greater than what the item will sell for? Should that

living wage still be mandated? Who will pay for the deficit of cost over

price? How much production will there be?

Are you aware of supply and demand, mandated minimum wage effect on demand,

cost, etc.? Have you ever taken Economics 101 or Economics 102?

Val

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Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Of course there is something to debate , Val but what is the point with

your narrow conservative view of life that has no empathy for needy people.

Bush did nothing to help out the country, he created an unneeded war where

over 4,000 young men and women have died and over 1 million Iraqi's have

died. Nice.

Teenage's can't get work not because the minimum wage has been increased,

but BECAUSE Bushie's administration created a economic crisis in this

country where the situation is so bad, that people are losing their jobs and

the employers who are still hiring want people with work experience and

teenagers usually don't have work experience, val.

I hope your family never gets jobs that are not living wages. But, I think

you should be required to work in a job that is not a living wage and see

how well you fare on a income that has not kept up with inflation. See how

long you stay afloat....