Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

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> Thy

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> The present economic mess pretty much started in 1977 so I doubt Bush

> had a whole lot to do with it. But the liberal democrats who passed the

> legislation changing the criteria for obtaining a mortgage from the

> time tested ability to repay same to some stupid liberal agenda item

> certainly did. It's really a bunch of liberal democrat chickens coming

> home to roost. As late as 2006 Bush attempted to rein in Fanny and

> Freddy but the democrats not only scuttled that effort, the derisively

> attacked Bush's idea that there was even a problem. Barney [among

> others] utterly ridiculed the idea that any action was needed. He

> stated that there was no risk to the public whatsoever, so no action was

> needed. Democrats overwhelmingly supported that position. You're going

> to blame that on Bush and the republicans too, right?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, yes; those poor, needy unwashed strangers. In OUR house yet! What

would people think???

But I agree; they're not in mine either. I must be totally lacking in

empathy, right??? [ggg]

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

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> Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:52 am (PDT)

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>

>

> That is your choice, but my mum does not want any strangers living in the

> house. She has a friggin right to refuse, as I think any 88 year old

> has maybe even your own mum.

>

> -- Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

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> I guess we should have said, 'sorry, we've got our 4 kids living with

> us!'

[Guest guest]

As I had noted before, I had to not use over 10K in deductions in order

to generate a little tax liability for the stimulus rebate to kick in.

Initially I owed 0 taxes but got no rebate. My accountant and I removed

legal tax deductions from my return until the full stimulus rebate

magically " appeared " . We got tired of trying to fine tune the process

so I ended up paying a bucks in taxes instead of 0 in order to get the

full stimulus check.

Steve

wrote:

> Nancie said:

> .

>

> " ... and my other friend made 40,000 and

> > > also

> > > > only got 300.00. The only people who got more were Married or joint

> > > filers.

> .

>

> She made it up. Check it out on the internet. Some people got only

> $300, I think it probably depends upon your taxable income or some

> such. I never delved deeply into it but after she quoted the above I

> checked on the net and found that the typical rebate was $600, and it

> did not depend upon marital or filing status. However, the qualifying

> taxable income amount for these categories may have changed FAIK.

>

> Here's what I found:

>

> *_Computation of the " rebate " amount_*

>

> *The basic rebate amount is the **_lesser_** of net income tax liability

> or $600 ($1200 for married couples filing jointly).

> *

>

> *.

> * I note that apparently if you did not have a tax liability of at least

> $600 you did not get $600 as I understand it. I really don't want to go

> further into it here; if you want the full scoop it's readily

> available. And you won't have to make anything up! [ggg]

>

>

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> .

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>> matchermaam <matchermaam>

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>> Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:08 pm (PDT)

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>> No , she didn't make it up, it's true. I am on social security

>> and small IRA, I only got $300.

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>

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[Guest guest]

Sure they are; but why??? If minimum wage is actually effective in

accomplishing its purported goals how can anyone with empathy for the

needy suggest it be any lower than the living wage level? You agree

people can't support a family on $6 or $8 per hour; why not make it

$20? Empathy demands it. Logic [liberal logic] demands it.

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

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> Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:14 pm (PDT)

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>

>

> C'mon . I know you know that minimum wage and a living wage are

> two different things.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

> Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 6:41 PM

>

> If you're right we should raise the minimum wage to $20 per hour. You

> can't have any empathy for the poor slob trying to support his family on

> $6 or $8 per hour minimum wage if you don't agree.

>

>

[Guest guest]

" That tramp " probably numbers in the hundreds, but that is beside the

point. I don't give a damn who he boffed if they were of legal age [not

at all certain]. He committed perjury and other crimes which would

result in a jail term for you or me. He admitted so before the perjury

judge and got off with a $300,000 fine.

Do you know the difference between lying and perjury?

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

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> Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:17 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and so is Lieberman. Clinton was

> not guilty of the things they tried him for. He was guilty of lying

> about that tramp.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

> Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 6:50 PM

>

> I'm a conservative republican and I detest so much that advocated

> but I don't think you have him right. I think he's probably one of the

> best intentioned presidents we ever had, and no doubt the most sincere

> as a Christian. He sincerely in my opinion believed in all the utterly

> stupid liberal crap he posited; I don't think he made anything up. He's

> so much the opposite of most modern liberal politicians, who absolutely

> KNOW that their policies are a total piece of crap. If you care to

> address his effectiveness that's another matter.

>

> Nixon was no doubt guilty of almost exactly the same crimes as Clinton.

> Perjury, obstruction of justice, suborning perjury, tampering with

> witnesses and so on. One difference: When it began to appear that

> Nixon was probably guilty the REPUBLICANS went to him and told him in no

> uncertain terms that lawlessness would NOT be tolerated. OTOH the

> democrats totally supported Clinton in his lawlessness. The republicans

> kicked out their criminal; the democrats hailed theirs as a hero.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I do, do you?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

> Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 6:50 PM

>

> I'm a conservative republican and I detest so much that advocated

> but I don't think you have him right.  I think he's probably one of the

> best intentioned presidents we ever had, and no doubt the most sincere

> as a Christian.  He sincerely in my opinion believed in all the utterly

> stupid liberal crap he posited; I don't think he made anything up.  He's

> so much the opposite of most modern liberal politicians, who absolutely

> KNOW that their policies are a total piece of crap.  If you care to

> address his effectiveness that's another matter.

>

> Nixon was no doubt guilty of almost exactly the same crimes as Clinton.

> Perjury, obstruction of justice, suborning perjury, tampering with

> witnesses and so on.  One difference:  When it began to appear that

> Nixon was probably guilty the REPUBLICANS went to him and told him in no

> uncertain terms that lawlessness would NOT be tolerated.  OTOH the

> democrats totally supported Clinton in his lawlessness.  The republicans

> kicked out their criminal; the democrats hailed theirs as a hero.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I told you [or someone] before: I've lived in an urban area since I

left home 40 or 50 years ago. Yes, I know how things work. Or don't.

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:20 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> People in the inner city that kill other people do it primarily for

> drugs. Lots of them make plenty of money, and no piddling welfare

> check is going to satisfy them in the slightest. They wouldn't even

> bother to sign up. Have you ever actually lived in a city and got to

> understand how things work?

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

> Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 6:56 PM

>

> I said that a particular course of action would result in fewer deaths.

> Since when is fewer deaths a cruel statement??? You do not DIRECTLY

> advocate more deaths; but you advocate a position that results in more

> deaths. I oppose your position that results in more deaths.

>

> Providing support for the approximate 90% of welfare recipients who

> actually could do better for themselves results in the inner city ghetto

> slums where the death rate is so much higher than we should allow.

> That is the result of modern liberal thought.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It also has its share of the wealthy living in rent controlled

apartments. Too bad you couldn't read a bit and find out the truth

about rent control in NYC.

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

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> Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:26 pm (PDT)

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>

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> I haven't read your links.......

> .too time consuming, but NYC has some of the highest rents in the

> country, as well as some rent controlled apartments occupied primarily

> by elderly people who have been living there for decades.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re:

> Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:18 PM

>

> It exists. It doesn't " work " if by work you mean function efficiently

> and in a just manner for all parties. If you think it does then tell me

> the effects of rent control on availability of rental units in NYC. You

> can find a lot of material like that below, in which both liberals and

> conservatives assert that rent control is a disaster. It is from THE

> CONCISE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ECONOMICS by Walter Block:

>

> .

> .

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> >

> > The Effects of Rent Control

> >

> > Economists are virtually unanimous in concluding that rent controls

> > are destructive. In a 1990 poll of 464 economists published in the May

> > 1992 issue of the /American Economic Review,/ 93 percent of U.S.

> > respondents agreed, either completely or with provisos, that " a

> > ceiling on rents reduces the quantity and quality of housing

> > available. " 1

> >

>

<http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/RentControl.html#lfCEE2-145_footnot\

e_nt386

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e_nt386>>

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> > Similarly, another study reported that more than 95 percent of the

> > Canadian economists polled agreed with the statement.2

> >

>

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> > The agreement cuts across the usual political spectrum, ranging all

> > the way from Nobel Prize winners milton friedman

> > <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Friedman.html

> <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Friedman.html>> and friedrich

> > hayek <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Hayek.html

> <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Hayek.html>> on the

> > " right " to their fellow Nobel laureate gunnar myrdal

> > <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Myrdal.html

> <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Myrdal.html>>, an important

> > architect of the Swedish Labor Party´s welfare

> > <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Welfare.html

> <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Welfare.html>> state, on the

> > " left. " Myrdal stated, " Rent control has in certain Western countries

> > constituted, maybe, the worst example of poor planning by governments

> > lacking courage and vision. " 3

> >

>

<http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/RentControl.html#lfCEE2-145_footnot\

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> > His fellow Swedish economist (and socialist) Assar Lindbeck asserted,

> > " In many cases rent control appears to be the most efficient technique

> > presently known to destroy a city-except for bombing. " 4

> >

>

<http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/RentControl.html#lfCEE2-145_footnot\

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> > That cities like New York have clearly not been destroyed by rent

> > control is due to the fact that rent control has been relaxed over the

> > years.5

> >

>

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> > Rent stabilization, for example, which took the place of rent control

> > for newer buildings, is less restrictive than the old rent control.

> > Also, the decades-long boom in the New York City housing market is not

> > in rent-controlled or rent-stabilized units, but in condominiums and

> > cooperative housing. But these two forms of housing ownership grew

> > important as a way of getting around rent control.

> >

> > Economists have shown that rent control diverts new investment

> > <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Investment.html

> <http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Investment.html>>, which would

> > otherwise have gone to rental housing, toward greener pastures-greener

> > in terms of consumer need. They have demonstrated that it leads to

> > housing deterioration, fewer repairs, and less maintenance. For

> > example, Niebanck found that 29 percent of rent-controlled

> > housing in the United States was deteriorated, but only 8 percent of

> > the uncontrolled units were in such a state of disrepair. Brenner

> > and Herbert lin cited similar statistics for England and France.

> >

> > The economic reasons are straightforward. One effect of government

> > oversight is to retard investment in residential rental units. Imagine

> > that you have five million dollars to invest and can place the funds

> > in any industry you wish. In most businesses, governments will place

> > only limited controls and taxes on your enterprise. But if you entrust

> > your money to rental housing, you must pass one additional hurdle: the

> > rent-control authority, with its hearings, red tape, and rent

> > ceilings. Under these conditions is it any wonder that you are less

> > likely to build or purchase rental housing?

> >

> > This line of reasoning holds not just for you, but for everyone else

> > as well. As a result, the quantity of apartments for rent will be far

> > smaller than otherwise. And not so amazingly, the preceding analysis

> > holds true not only for the case where rent controls are in place, but

> > even where they are only threatened. The mere anticipation of controls

> > is enough to have a chilling effect on such investment. Instead,

> > everything else under the sun in the real estate market has been

> > built: condominiums, office towers, hotels, warehouses, commercial

> > space. Why? Because such investments have never been subject to rent

> > controls, and no one fears that they ever will be. It is no accident

> > that these facilities boast healthy vacancy rates and relatively

> > slowly increasing rental rates, while residential space suffers from a

> > virtual zero vacancy rate in the controlled sector and skyrocketing

> > prices in the uncontrolled sector.

> >

> > Although many rent-control ordinances specifically exempt new rental

> > units from coverage, investors are too cautious (perhaps too smart) to

> > put their faith in rental housing. In numerous cases housing units

> > supposedly exempt forever from controls were nevertheless brought

> > under the provisions of this law due to some " emergency " or other. New

> > York City´s government, for example, has three times broken its

> > promise to exempt new or vacant units from control. So prevalent is

> > this practice of rent-control authorities that a new term has been

> > invented to describe it: " recapture. "

> >

> > Rent control has destroyed entire sections of sound housing in New

> > York´s South Bronx and has led to decay and abandonment throughout the

> > entire five boroughs of the city. Although hard statistics on

> > abandonments are not available, Tucker estimates that about

> > 30,000 New York apartments were abandoned annually from 1972 to 1982,

> > a loss of almost a third of a million units in this eleven-year

> > period. Thanks to rent control, and to potential investors´

> > all-too-rational fear that rent control will become even more

> > stringent, no sensible investor will build rental housing unsubsidized

> > by government.

> >

> .

>

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[Guest guest]

Primarily in and near Tampa and cities thereabouts. We've had our

ghettos as long as I can remember knowing about Tampa, which was over 50

years ago. Never in the huge urban centers of the North East, but I've

read thousands of books and can extrapolate from the local area to the

[oftentimes much worse] ghettos they have. Even little Plant City has

areas in which you could get killed if you're there at an unlucky time.

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matchermaam <matchermaam>

Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:30 pm (PDT)

What urban areas have you lived in ?

Roni

[Guest guest]

So why aren't you at the forefront of a movement to raise the minimum

wage to $20 per hour?

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:09 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> That does not make any sense at all. Of course I have empathy for someone

> who gets crap wages like 6.00/hr, that is why I want to raise their

> wages to

> a living wage!

>

>

> -- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

> Thy

>

>

>

>

> If you're right we should raise the minimum wage to $20 per hour. You

> can't have any empathy for the poor slob trying to support his family on

> $6 or $8 per hour minimum wage if you don't agree.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tampa, how nice.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 8:10 PM

Primarily in and near Tampa and cities thereabouts.  We've had our

ghettos as long as I can remember knowing about Tampa, which was over 50

years ago.  Never in the huge urban centers of the North East, but I've

read thousands of books and can extrapolate from the local area to the

[oftentimes much worse] ghettos they have.   Even little Plant City has

areas in which you could get killed if you're there at an unlucky time.

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      Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

     

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        matchermaam <matchermaam>

        Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:30 pm (PDT)

What urban areas have you lived in ?

Roni

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Mine says Copywrite 2007...and it references a lot of events that have happened

since 1994...must have been updated...and gee, I could have sworn the author was

referring to AIG when he referred to banks, " too big to fail " !

> > Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> >

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> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

> >

> >

> > Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:36 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > Why don't YOU read all those books that I listed, ah but then that would

> > mean you would actually have discover the true facts about families and

> > poverty...

> > That book is a CONSERVATIVE view on race and culture with OUTDATED FACTS.

> > The book was written in 1994.