Guest guest Posted June 29, 2000 Report Share Posted June 29, 2000 My e-mail address is YGAMMIL1@... Gammill caveat emptor > I agree with vgammill. And, I guess, Culley too. How can I contact Gammill? > > Tom Roper > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup > Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. > Install today: > 1/5667/13/_/378/_/962308256/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 In a message dated 9/19/00 3:37:40 AM Central Daylight Time, egroups writes: << F YOU ENTER A CO-OP IT IS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!! **************** ITEM: Grapefruit FO, Baby Powder FO, Sweet Orange EO DESCRIPTION: Premium Fragrance and essential oils. All are very natural and true! Flashpoints available on request. PRICE: Grapefruit FO 8 Oz/$13.00 or 16 oz/$26.00 Baby Powder FO 8oz/$10.00 or 16 oz/$20.oo, Sweet Orange EO 8 oz/$7.00 or 16 oz/$14.00 MINIMUM ORDER: 8 Oz of any scent >> I am compelled to tell readers here that just because a co-op is being run doesn't mean the prices are the best they can be. It's important for you to take control and research the prices you pay. I am not here to badmouth anyone - - just telling you that a few minutes of research can make a world of difference in your checkbook. Compare these with the co-op as advertised: from Rainbow Meadows: Pink Grapefruit EO (NOT FO), about 15.00 for 16 oz Sweet Orange EO about $6.00 for 16 oz from The Scent Shack Grapefruit & Sage FO about $17.00 for 16 oz from Camden Gray: Pink Grapefruit EO about $12.00 for 16 oz Sweet Orange EO about $5.00 for 16 oz Diane s Wheaton Soapworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Jim, In spite of all the citations, The Original Internist is not a research journal. In fact, it is a chiropractic magazine. There is no peer review, just editorial control, the priorities of which should be perfectly clear from a quick scan of their regular contributors. We have previously discussed at length the complete lack of scholarship and accuracy from these authors, who are basically shills for the company Optimox, which Abraham owns. Chuck You wrote: > > > I was diagnosed with Graves' Disease in 2004 and used Methimazole treatment > for 1.5 years followed by naturopathic remedies (Lugol's Solution, Bugleweed > and Lemon Balm) thru last January. Although I am euthyroid with normal > TSH/FT3/FT4 and high normal TSI, my TPOAb are still above normal (185) and > I've been experiencing several hypoT symptoms for the past 1-2 years. As a > result, I am considering supplementing with Iodoral or Iosol provided there > exists sufficient evidence that doing so will not increase TSI or TPOAb. I > have been gradually perusing PubMed and reading information published by > orthoiodosupplementation advocates and researchers such as Guy E. Abraham > MD, Brownstein MD, Shevin MD DHt, MD and Byron > J. s. > > I recently came across an article written by Dr. Abraham in the June 2008 > issue of the Original Internist, titled " Facts about Iodine and Autoimmune > Thyroiditis, " in which he states the following: > > " Since the 2006 publication by Teng, et al,[1] reporting a positive > association between iodization of salt in China and autoimmune thyroiditis > (AIT), I have received a lot of calls and e-mails questioning the use of > iodine in patients with autoimmune thyroiditis. Iodophobes were elated with > this publication, which vindicated their iodophobic viewpoint. However, a > year later in 2007, the same authors, using the same data[2] retracted their > original statement and concluded that: 'Chronic iodine excess does not > apparently increase the risk of autoimmune thyroiditis.' " > > Dr. Abraham references two journal articles: [1] Teng W, et al, 2006 and > [2] Yang F, et al, 2007. Full bibliographic and URL references for these > are listed below. I downloaded and read the full text PDF of each article, > both conveniently available for free. Much to my surprise, I discovered > that Dr. Abraham had blatantly misrepresented the research of Yang F, et al, > 2007. The quote he references, " Chronic iodine excess does not apparently > increase the risk of autoimmune thyroiditis, " does not appear anywhere in > the referenced article. The following similar quotes do appear: > > " Chronic iodine excess does not apparently increase the risk of autoimmune > hyperthyroidism, suggesting that excessive iodine intake may not be an > environmental factor involved in the occurrence of autoimmune > hyperthyroidism. " [Yang F, et al, 2007:403] > > " Chronic iodine excess does not apparently increase the risk of autoimmune > hyperthyroidism or influence the incidence and outcome of subclinical > hyperthyroidism, which suggests that chronic excessive iodine intake may not > be involved in the occurrence of autoimmune hyperthyroidism as an > environmental factor. [Yang F, et al, 2007:407] > > Dr. Abraham's quote is not even a valid paraphrase of Yang F., et al, 2007 > because the term " thyroiditis, " referencing in this context hypothroidism, > has been substituted for the term " hyperthyroidism. " Dr. Abraham's quote is > blatantly false. > > Dr. Abraham uses this " quote " to assert that Yang F., et al, 2007 have > explicitly retracted the claim made in their 2006 article [Teng W, et al, > 2006] that adequate or excessive iodine intake may result in autoimmune > thyroiditis. This assertion of a retraction by Yang F, et al, is also > false. Their 2007 article does not contain any implicit or explicit > retractions. In fact, the authors conclude exactly the opposite: > > " This may suggest that in the comparison of the tendency of hypothyroidism, > partly induced by thyroid autoimmunity due to the elevated iodine intake, > long-term excessive iodine intake as an environmental factor does not seem > to be involved in the occurrence of autoimmune hyperthyroidism. " [Yang F, et > al 2007:407] > > It is disturbing and disappointing that Dr. Abraham has chosen to blatantly > distort the research of Teng W, et al, 2006. I appreciate the work that Dr. > Abraham has done to educate patients, practitioners and researchers about > the history, unexamined assumptions and potential therapeutic benefits of > iodine supplementation. Unfortunately, however, it appears that he has > become overly invested in iodine's unequivocal usefulness at the expense of > necessary objectivity. > > Please share your thoughts, feedback and comments. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 so you might have to go with the experiences of those who use Iodoral if you don't trust the " shills " . also look at http://www.breastcancerchoices.org also remember that the use of iodine would really challenge the drug industry. Gracia Jim, In spite of all the citations, The Original Internist is not a research journal. In fact, it is a chiropractic magazine. There is no peer review, just editorial control, the priorities of which should be perfectly clear from a quick scan of their regular contributors. We have previously discussed at length the complete lack of scholarship and accuracy from these authors, who are basically shills for the company Optimox, which Abraham owns. Chuck You wrote: > > > I was diagnosed with Graves' Disease in 2004 and used Methimazole treatment > for 1.5 years followed by naturopathic remedies (Lugol's Solution, Bugleweed > and Lemon Balm) thru last January. Although I am euthyroid with normal > TSH/FT3/FT4 and high normal TSI, my TPOAb are still above normal (185) and > I've been experiencing several hypoT symptoms for the past 1-2 years. As a > result, I am considering supplementing with Iodoral or Iosol provided there > exists sufficient evidence that doing so will not increase TSI or TPOAb. I > have been gradually perusing PubMed and reading information published by > orthoiodosupplementation advocates and researchers such as Guy E. Abraham > MD, Brownstein MD, Shevin MD DHt, MD and Byron > J. s. > > I recently came across an article written by Dr. Abraham in the June 2008 > issue of the Original Internist, titled " Facts about Iodine and Autoimmune > Thyroiditis, " in which he states the following: > > " Since the 2006 publication by Teng, et al,[1] reporting a positive > association between iodization of salt in China and autoimmune thyroiditis > (AIT), I have received a lot of calls and e-mails questioning the use of > iodine in patients with autoimmune thyroiditis. Iodophobes were elated with > this publication, which vindicated their iodophobic viewpoint. However, a > year later in 2007, the same authors, using the same data[2] retracted their > original statement and concluded that: 'Chronic iodine excess does not > apparently increase the risk of autoimmune thyroiditis.' " > > Dr. Abraham references two journal articles: [1] Teng W, et al, 2006 and > [2] Yang F, et al, 2007. Full bibliographic and URL references for these > are listed below. I downloaded and read the full text PDF of each article, > both conveniently available for free. Much to my surprise, I discovered > that Dr. Abraham had blatantly misrepresented the research of Yang F, et al, > 2007. The quote he references, " Chronic iodine excess does not apparently > increase the risk of autoimmune thyroiditis, " does not appear anywhere in > the referenced article. The following similar quotes do appear: > > " Chronic iodine excess does not apparently increase the risk of autoimmune > hyperthyroidism, suggesting that excessive iodine intake may not be an > environmental factor involved in the occurrence of autoimmune > hyperthyroidism. " [Yang F, et al, 2007:403] > > " Chronic iodine excess does not apparently increase the risk of autoimmune > hyperthyroidism or influence the incidence and outcome of subclinical > hyperthyroidism, which suggests that chronic excessive iodine intake may not > be involved in the occurrence of autoimmune hyperthyroidism as an > environmental factor. [Yang F, et al, 2007:407] > > Dr. Abraham's quote is not even a valid paraphrase of Yang F., et al, 2007 > because the term " thyroiditis, " referencing in this context hypothroidism, > has been substituted for the term " hyperthyroidism. " Dr. Abraham's quote is > blatantly false. > > Dr. Abraham uses this " quote " to assert that Yang F., et al, 2007 have > explicitly retracted the claim made in their 2006 article [Teng W, et al, > 2006] that adequate or excessive iodine intake may result in autoimmune > thyroiditis. This assertion of a retraction by Yang F, et al, is also > false. Their 2007 article does not contain any implicit or explicit > retractions. In fact, the authors conclude exactly the opposite: > > " This may suggest that in the comparison of the tendency of hypothyroidism, > partly induced by thyroid autoimmunity due to the elevated iodine intake, > long-term excessive iodine intake as an environmental factor does not seem > to be involved in the occurrence of autoimmune hyperthyroidism. " [Yang F, et > al 2007:407] > > It is disturbing and disappointing that Dr. Abraham has chosen to blatantly > distort the research of Teng W, et al, 2006. I appreciate the work that Dr. > Abraham has done to educate patients, practitioners and researchers about > the history, unexamined assumptions and potential therapeutic benefits of > iodine supplementation. Unfortunately, however, it appears that he has > become overly invested in iodine's unequivocal usefulness at the expense of > necessary objectivity. > > Please share your thoughts, feedback and comments. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1805 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 10:34 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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